Texas Rangers Top 20 Prospects for 2012
Texas Rangers Top 20 Prospects for 2012
THIS LIST WAS REVISED JANUARY 10, 2012
The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Comments are welcome, but in the end all analysis and responsibility is mine of course. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2012 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders for both paper and .pdf versions. Order early and order often!
QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:
Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.
Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.
A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.
Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.
Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.
1) Jurickson Profar, SS, Grade A: He does everything except .300, and he might do that someday. His performance was all the more remarkable given how young he is. A truly elite talent.
2) Martin Perez, LHP, Grade B+: I think he's been pushed too quickly, but all the talent to be a number two or three starter is still there.
3) Leonys Martin, OF, Grade B: Should have a long career due to defense and speed, but I'm not confident enough in his bat to stick a "+" on his grade just yet.
4) Mike Olt, 3B, Grade B: Good power, draws walks, very strong defensive player. Main worry here is high strikeout rate but I expect he will adapt.
5) Rougned Odor, 2B, Grade B: You can make a case to rank him as high as number three. He held his own at age 17 against older pitchers in the Northwest League, quite an achievement.
6) Robert Ross, LHP, Grade B: Remained effective after promotion to Double-A, which is a very good sign. Doesn't have as high a ceiling as some other arms in the system, but also has a higher floor. Possible number three or four starter.
7) Neil Ramirez, RHP, Grade B: Held his own in Triple-A until sore shoulder issue sent him back to previously-skipped Double-A level for rehab. A breakout candidate who broke out.
8) Cody Buckel, RHP, Grade B: Can't argue with Low-A results, great feel for pitching, terrific makeup, excellent statistics. Mid-rotation projection.
9) Roman Mendez, RHP, Grade B: Seems like he deserves more attention than he gets. Owns plus stuff and showed considerably better command this year. Mid-rotation projection.
10) Christian Villanueva, 3B, Grade B-: Signee out of Mexico plays above his tools but does it very well, produces power and speed, sharp defensive skills at third base. Will have to see if plate discipline holds up.
11) Tanner Scheppers, RHP, Grade B-: Health and command remain issues, but even a small improvement would get him to the majors quickly.
12) Justin Grimm, RHP, Grade B-: Made progress with secondary pitches and command, could be mid-rotation starter or power relief arm.
13) Will Lamb, LHP, Grade B-: Clemson product making transition to the mound full-time after spending most of college in the outfield. Three potential plus pitches but needs innings to refine them.
14) Jacob Skole, OF, Grade B-: First round pick from 2010 has tools but skills are still raw, had mediocre season in Low-A. Draws walks but strikes out too much.
15) Jorge Alfaro, C, Grade C+: Scouting reports and word-of-mouth are glowing, praising offensive and defensive potential. Somehow he hit .300 with power in the Northwest League despite appalling plate discipline, and he needs a lot of polish on defense. Very young, high-ceiling, high-risk. I can't give a higher grade to a guy with a 4/54 BB/K no matter what the scouting reports say.
16) Kevin Matthews, LHP, Grade C+: Undersized lefty from 2011 draft seems similar to Robert Ross and now-traded Robert Erlin.
17) Ronald Guzman, OF, Grade C+: Another bonus baby from the Dominican, earned $3,500,000. Like Mazara, Guzman has enormous potential and his tools seem more balanced according to non-Ranger sources, but we have to wait and see.
18) Nomar Mazara, OF, Grade C+: Earned $5,000,000 bonus out of the Dominican due to his power potential. Most teams think this was too much money since his other tools are just so-so, and not everyone buys that his swing will work, but the Rangers believe. Impossible to grade properly until we get some data to see who is right.
19) Luke Jackson, RHP, Grade C+: One of my favorite high school pitchers from 2011 draft, but struggled with his command in the Sally League. Give him more time.
20) Odubel Herrera, 2B, Grade C+: Fast, makes contact, young, solid glove, but league observers worry that impatience and lack of power will hinder him at higher levels.
21) Luis Sardinas, SS, Grade C+: Got just as much press as Profar when he signed, but hampered by injuries and barely played. High ceiling with defense and speed.
22) Justin Miller, RHP, Grade C+: Sleeper relief prospect, throws in mid-90s, looked very sharp in the Texas League.
23) Matt West, RHP, Grade C+: Former third baseman converted to mound with stunning results: 35/1 K/BB with a 94 MPH fastball. Could move fast as relief option if he maintains that.
24) Miguel De Los Santos, LHP, Grade C+: Erratic, but still putting up insanely good strikeout numbers.
25) Barret Loux, RHP, Grade C+: Could rank higher but health concerns remain significant. Possible number three starter if his arm remains attached.
OTHERS: Jordan Akins, OF; Engel Beltre, OF; Jacob Brigham, RHP; Yefry Castillo, C; Zach Cone, OF; Kellin Deglan, C; Abel De Los Santos, RHP; Wilmer Font, RHP; Leury Garcia, SS; Kyle Hendricks, RHP; Mike Kirkman, LHP; Luis Marte, SS; Tommy Mendonca, 3B; David Perez, RHP; Jimmy Reyes, LHP; Tomas Telis, C; Nick Tepesch, RHP; Johan Yan, RHP.
This system speaks for itself.
You got Profar at the top, who would be getting more attention than he already does if Bryce Harper wasn't sucking up all the "look how good this guy is at age 18" oxygen. Then you have a mass of Grade B prospects who all have some questions but could, if things break right, turn into major league regulars of various flavors. Then you have a huge batch of C+ candidates, some who could be role players but others, especially the big bonus guys, who could zoom up the prospect lists in 2012 once we get more data about them.
Ranking players like Guzman and Mazara is extremely difficult, and every spot from 13 to 25 on the list is arguable. Overall, though, Rangers fans have a lot to look forward to.
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Initial thought was
this system is even deeper than I thought. Still a top tier type of system.
Really like Kevin Matthews, a little suprised Grimm and Mendez are over him
I’d also have Loux higher
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 22, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
also maybe its just a personel preference but I like Ronny Guzman more than Rougned Odor
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 22, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
guzman’s bat has much much more potential
by another know it all on Oct 22, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
guzman
He has a lot more power obviously, but we don’t have any idea how his tools will translate yet.
by John Sickels on Oct 22, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, but he's a 1B, at best, position-wise...
Odor has received rave reviews for his defense at 2B after switching from SS, and as John mentions, we already have pro data on Odor.
i'm already taking flak about Guzman and Mazara from Rangers fans in other forums
by John Sickels on Oct 22, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
Guzman and Elier Hernandez are a step above Mazara. Speaking of which, why did you give Hernandez a higher grade than Guzman? I know BA prefers Hernandez, but I was expecting the same grade for both from you.
by another know it all on Oct 22, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
because the info I had was that hernandez might be a more complete player. However, i have actually been thinking about moving hernandez down to a C+ to stay consistent
by John Sickels on Oct 22, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, Hernandez is the better overall athlete...
and capable of playing CF at higher levels, with a comparable bat to Guzman, so I would keep Elier at B-. If Guzman’s bat is notably better than Elier’s, then I can see them being ranked the same grade.
i agree with this
guzman and mazara have the potential 80-grade power sure, but I’d be more favorable to someone who plays up the middle
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I dont think they havve 80 grade power
Harper is the only guy i’d classify as 80 power in the minors right now
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by mathisrocks5 on Oct 23, 2011 2:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well Monky Epoxy said potential to get to 80 grade power one day
Not now, obviously, he hasn’t even had any data here yet.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 23, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Mazara
Does have 80 potential power. Guzman has more useable tools right now but I don’t see 80 power there.
by Matt Garrioch on Oct 23, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Guzman
Closer to 70 power-potential, with hit tool projection north of 60. He has fantastic hands at the plate, although it’s going to take time for the present to catch up to the massive future. Very wide-gap.
However, so far in stateside action, Guzman has shown way more actualized power than Mazara, who many consider to have the higher power ceiling. He [Mazara] is currently going through a mechanical overhaul at the plate, no doubt limiting the power displays he put on in the DR prior to signing. The huge leg-kick has been tempered (although not completely removed; he still has a timing hitch in the front leg), and as a result he is still trying to find some consistency and rhythm in his swing. He’s a long-term project, but high-offensive ceiling.
yeah consistancy, John is great at this
remember Miguel Sano got a C+ when he first signed with Min. that first year
then he jumped to B and just now B+.
I think Elier and Guzman should probably both be C+’s with enormus potential for sure.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 23, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
no
he’s a LF. I’ve never read anything about him moving to 1B. He’s not much of an athlete but he’s athletic enough to stay in the outfield long term.
by another know it all on Oct 22, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
he was playing 1B at the FIL
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btho Iowa State
i stand corrected
i would like to know the reasoning behind it. Is he too slow already?
by another know it all on Oct 22, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess so
i mean, he’s only 16? and is already a behemoth.
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btho Iowa State
another reason why i'm really excited about David Perez
6’6 200 lbs right hander that is still growing
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btho Iowa State
I'm interested
to see how he comes out throwing next year. I know a lot of people were disappointed, but the upside here is just tremendous.
by blackoutyears on Oct 24, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
not necessarily too slow, but too big
the same sort of reasoning that many say will eventually push Sano to RF or 1B – Guzman is already 6’ 5" 205 lbs…at 16 y.o.
I like how you said every spot from 13 to 25 is arguable
Such a huge batch of players that could go way up or way down a year from now, all with things to like and things to watch. I like the aggressive ranking of Odor. He, Marte, and Guzman seem like decent candidates for a lot of buzz next season. Not as much as Profar this year, that’s too much to ever expect…
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what do you guys think
Erlin and Wieland will get as grades? would they warrant a B+ or higher?
i would probably give Erlin a B+. probably B for Wieland.
also random question
but out of curiosity, why does this list go down to #25? does John profile every C+ player in a system, and thus by implication, those not profiled warranted grades C+ or lower?
Leonys
What do you guys think of him? Does he get a job to start the season?
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I don't think he opens the season as the starter
But I don’t think he’ll be in AAA long
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btho Iowa State
I certainly hope that's what they do
I think he needs some polishing time.
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doubt David Murphy stands in his way....
I think it depends largely on how his spring goes. How he does in ST could dictate his fate in April
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 23, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
TONS of interesting names in this System
wow. you have to love the Rangers’ desire to be successful on all fronts: International Market, Minor Leagues and Free Agency. Dedication to success right there.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 23, 2011 1:37 AM EDT reply actions
I'd have him up there
instead of Odubel but not sure exactly where I’d rank him.
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How many of these prospects have you seen play?
Just curious.
by jparks77 on Oct 23, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
in person
Not enough in person. My youngest son is severely autistic so it is very hard for me to travel far these days.
M.Perez, Martin, Ramirez, Ross, Scheppers, Lamb, Miller, Loux, Grimm, De Los Santos, Beltre, Kirkman, Mendonca, Tepsesch in person. If they come through the Texas League or PCL or the Big 12 I usually see them. Video or tv on as many of the others as possible, and I know people who get to see the guys I don’t.
by John Sickels on Oct 23, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Scheppers ?
I have seen Scheppers be very dominate at times in Frisco. Is his health the main issue? Does health help his command?
With an arm like Scheppers or Loux which is more stress. Starting or relief?
Can Scheppers still be a key member for the Rangers major league team?
Loux
why do the health concerns remain significant? He pitched 109 innings this year with a FIP of 2.78 and over a K per inning, even with a BABIP of .346. IMO, he is at least a B- and possibly higher if he can stay in 1 piece going forward.
by Looney4baseball on Oct 23, 2011 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
loux
his season ended three weeks early with “arm fatigue”
by John Sickels on Oct 23, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but despite all the "Nolan Ryan is changing the culture"
articles the Rangers are fairly careful with their young pitchers in terms of innings and pitch counts.
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thanks.
I wasn’t aware he was shut down early. Makes a lot more sense now.
by Looney4baseball on Oct 24, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Aside from the worries about his arm
Last I heard his change-up was still pretty far behind his two other pitches. Going to need that third pitch to start.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 23, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure I'd give Profar an A....yet
A-, definitely, but an A? That’s a truly elite prospect and Profar hasn’t even played in A+ ball yet. OK, he did very well at age 18 in A ball, but still…
I suppose if he projects to be a plus defender than the grade is warranted, but I’m not sure that he is. But an A grade is a probable star in my view, and I think Profar could still end up as a quality regular or borderline star.
Or maybe I’m just a bitter Angels fan?
I think it's the latter
Seriously though, in all honesty, he’s a switch hitting, plus defender at SS, not a lot of power. To me, he profiles very much like a switch hitting Elvis Andrus would. The biggest thing to add to his hitting so far is the fact that he hasn’t seen much of a split between the two sides of the plate. He bats pretty much just as well from the left as he does from the right.
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seems like a weak if convenient comp to me
They don’t really seem to be that similar in the ways that count the most.
I don't think that's a very good comp.
Using the above poster’s words, who seemed unimpressed with that combination.
it'd be a good set if you could get it
I just don’t think Profar is going to be that sort of player. More bat, less glove, switch-hitter.
I like Profar, but it’s going to be very interesting to see what physical maturation does to him. Does he fill out and improve on his in-game power substantially? If he does so, will it slow him down and deplete his range? Does he not add a lot of weight, and if so, how will his bat hold up against better competition? Does he end up having the perfect combination and gets stronger without losing his ability to stick at shortstop?
Then you’ve still got Andrus himself in Texas, of course. He’s a pretty useful player already, popular with the fanbase, and at only 23 with true shortstop skills, he seems like a vital cog in the Texas machine for the foreseeable future. He’s a good bet to sign a multiyear deal in the not-too-distant future that should buy out at least a year or two of free agency. So, I’m not quite sure where Profar fits into the equation, just yet. I don’t think it makes sense for Texas to displace Andrus for him (Andrus is clearly much more useful at SS than anywhere else, putting a big burden on Profar to produce short-term). Beltre is just way too good a fit for this team and it’s not a stretch to imagine that 5 good more years as part of a championship contending/winning team could earn him a spot in Cooperstown with a Rangers cap, that’s a guy worth keeping around. Second base, maybe, depending on how Kinsler looks . . .but he certainly doesn’t seem to be losing anything.
I’m curious to know how other people would handle Profar. Do you project him playing at short, or elsewhere? I know there have been some who have suggested he’ll be major league ready as early as late next year – do you keep him in the minors regardless and slowplay him while letting Kinsler and Beltre play out their respective strings a bit more? Or . . .do you keep Profar at shortstop, and instead start marketing him as a potential trade chip? It’s obvious that the Rangers would love to add a true ace caliber pitcher to their rotation, and Profar seems like the type of prospect who could get them their heart’s desire.
More power than Andrus
Won’t hit a whole lot of HRs, but far more pop of the doubles and triples variety.
Yeah
I was gonna say. I love Andrus, and with his build he looks like he should provide more power than he does, but Profar has just looked stronger and more projectable in that regard. Andrus may yet have some double digit home run seasons in him in his prime, but it’s not his game and probably won’t ever be a big part of it.
by blackoutyears on Oct 24, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
performance
and scouting agree, he’s elite.
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I suppose if there is one ranking that jumps out to me as notable, it would be
Jordan Akins being among the Grade C “other players”. He might be something of a crapshoot from a developmental standpoint, but the scouting reports have been glowing about his tools for a couple of years now, and he seems to be making some progress. I wasn’t expecting an especially high placement here relative to the rest of the system because he repeated rookie ball and the BB/K is not all that pretty at this point, but I’ll admit to being a bit surprised that he didn’t warrant the “Grade C+ with higher potential” label.
Foreign signing bonuses
Spending $3.5 Mil and $5.0 Mil on two foreign players is too much. And these guys are position players, they are outfielders, way too much.
I'm interested in what people's thoughts are on Kellin Deglan at this point
he was a favorite of mine from the 2010 draft, but his 2011 season left a lot to be desired.
He actually took some steps forward in my mind
Without actually looking it up, he started out the season very poorly at the plate, but in June or July he turned into Mike Napoli and really turned it on. He cooled off some, and his final numbers weren’t overly impressive, but he did start to show the skillset to move up the prospect ranks. He’s still very young and was at an advanced level compared to his age, but there was certainly reason for optimism.
Olt Deserves a B+
He can pick it and he can whomp it. He’s my target if I’m trading with the Rangers; that guy Beltre is pretty good.
Luis Sardinas
How like to see the Rangers jump him to Low class A and get him 400 at bats.
Justin Miller
Had a dominating year in AA do you see him landing on the 40 man..or does Texas take a chance and expose him to the rule 5 draft thought anyone?

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