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Milwaukee Brewers Top 20 Prospects for 2012

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Milwaukee Brewers Top 20 Prospects for 2012

THIS LIST WAS REVISED JANUARY 10, 2012

The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Comments are welcome, but in the end all analysis and responsibility is mine of course. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2012 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!

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QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.

A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.

Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.

Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.

1) Wily Peralta, RHP, Grade B: Looks like he could be a solid number three starter if his command remains steady. We should see him sometime in 2012.

2) Tyler Thornburg, RHP, Grade B: A year behind Peralta on the development track, should begin 2012 in Double-A, another guy who can be a mid-rotation starter.

3) Taylor Jungmann, HP, Grade B: Grade could go a notch higher once we get some pro data and see how his velocity looks. He should also be a mid-rotation guy at worst.

4) Jed Bradley, LHP, Grade B: As with Jungmann, he could be a B+ once we see how he looks in pro ball. I like both of them.

5) Taylor Green, 3B, Grade B-: I don't expect him to be a star, but he should be a solid contributor, hitting for average with moderate power and acceptable glovework.

6) Jorge Lopez, RHP, Grade B-: Puerto Rican righthander is a big favorite of mine from the 2011 draft. Super-projectable, already throws strikes. Grade could shoot up fast.

7) Scooter Gennett, 2B, Grade B-: Seems to hit .300 in his sleep, but needs to steady down on defense, improve baserunning.

8) Cody Scarpetta, RHP, Grade B-: Borderline C+. Higher ceiling than Fiers, but still struggling with his command.

9) Mike Fiers, RHP, Grade C+: Took a lot of people by surprise, but if you read my book last year, you knew about him. Average fastball, but excellent changeup, good breaking ball, good command, knows what he's doing. Older prospect at age 26 but ready to help now, could be like Josh Collmenter.

10) Logan Schafer, OF, Grade C+: I really love his glove, should hit for a decent average with some steals, excellent fourth outfielder.

11) Santo Manzanillo, RHP, Grade C+: Throws very hard, successful when his command is working, but his track record before 2011 is troublesome and regression always possible.

12) Caleb Gindl, OF, Grade C+: Doesn't look great in uniform, but controls zone well, has some pop, held his own in Double-A at age 22.

13) David Goforth, RHP, Grade C+: Would rank higher on pure velocity, but secondary pitches are still in question. If he refines them, grade could be much higher next year.

14) Nick Bucci, RHP, Grade C+: Continues slow, steady development pace. Possible mid-rotation starter, Double-A transition will tell us a lot.

15) Kentrail Davis, OF, Grade C: Made better use of his speed this year, but otherwise disappointing.


16) Orlando Arcia, SS, Grade C: Not a high profile guy, but played very well in the Dominican Summer League on both offense and defense. Stock will rise quickly if he replicates this.

17) Hunter Morris, 1B, Grade C: Nice power numbers, but poor strike zone judgment stands out as a negative factor for future success.

18) D'Vontrey Richardson, OF, Grade C: Tools guy, Florida State football product, still very raw. Has 70 speed but a sub-.500 stealing success percentage, which is really hard to pull off.

19) Jimmy Nelson, RHP, Grade C: Ate innings and got grounders in Low-A, but command issues are apparent and he was a college guy against younger hitters.

20) Nick Ramirez, 1B, Grade C: Similar to Morris, a first baseman with power but a very low walk rate from a big-time baseball school.

OTHERS: Sean Albury, RHP; Eric Arnett, RHP; Jacob Barnes, RHP; Khris Davis, OF; Frankie De La Cruz, RHP; Eric Farris, 2B; Drew Gagnon, RHP; Kyle Heckathorn, RHP; Lucas Luetge, LHP; Martin Maldonado, C; Dan Meadows, LHP; Dan Merklinger, LHP; Mike McClendon, RHP; Chris McFarland, SS; Matt Miller, RHP; Nick Ramirez, 1B; Michael Reed, OF; Yadiel Rivera, SS; Mark Rogers, RHP; Zelous Wheeler, INF.

This system isn't as bad as you might expect at first glance, but there is very little depth beyond the top guys. Peralta, Thornburg, Jungmann, and Bradley are a good foundation for a future pitching staff, and Jorge Lopez could end up being the best of the lot if he develops properly. Mike Fiers doesn't have the upside of the others, but is ready now.

Lack of hitting depth is an issue, I don't see anyone here with impact offensive potential, although there are guys who should be useful, productive role players.

There is lots of Grade C in this system, making exact rankings problematic. Your mileage may vary.

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No impact level talent

I like the grades for Peralta, and we’ll have to see what Jungmann and Bradley can do.

Once the Red Sox system is up, I will then be able to see if you felt differently than I did about Swihart and Barnes, and if this Brewer team passed on getting the type of impact talent they need to jump start the system.

The best relief in sight will come perhaps as early as July next year if they were to trade Greinke or Marcum, and then with the extra picks they will get from Prince Fielder departing, and whether or not they get a first rounder + or 2nd rounder (if the Cubs sign him).

by backtocali on Oct 17, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I think this team is poised to compete going forward

No team makes more sense than the Brewers for Aramis Ramirez. They still have Mat Gamel to take over 1st next year. You can argue that Gamel and Ramirez will equal the production of Fielder and McGehee in 2012.

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by aaronb on Oct 21, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of B/B- guys

better depth than I thought they had. Good write up

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by Dttl89 on Oct 17, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Jungmann’s mechanics scare me. I’ll be surprised if he’s not a constantly injury-prone throughout his career if they’re not overhauled.
 
Keep an eye on Goforth. I think he has a real chance to be very successful. I also think his slider is better than some are giving him credit for.

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by Fla-Giant on Oct 17, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I liked the Goforth pick when it happened

And for Jungmann, the Brewers have made the mistake in the past of trying to fix a guys mechanics (Mark Rogers) but those injuries you wondered about may show up as a pro. LOTS of innings in that arm already.

by backtocali on Oct 17, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOTS of innings in that arm already

But relatively low pitch counts much of the time. Jungmann has been pretty efficient for a guy who throws a lot of 8-9 inning games. A lot of evaluators were failing to look at his pitch counts, assuming Augie was abusing him.

by blackoutyears on Oct 17, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for the mechanics,

I don’t think they’re any worse than, say, Scherzer’s (they might be less alarming in fact), so we’ll see…

by blackoutyears on Oct 17, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

It’s wonky and there’s a lot of it that could be better, but Jungmann’s not a max effort guy and his arm action is fairly clean.

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by CaptainCanuck on Oct 18, 2011 2:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pretty much my feeling

He’s also smoothed some things out since his freshman year. The feel for pitching is very advanced, and the stuff is good. I’ll take a shot at that guy every time.

by blackoutyears on Oct 18, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to like Peralta more than most B pitchers.

This year saw a tick up in fastball velocity to the mid-high 90s, and a corresponding jump in strikeouts. That combined with good secondary pitches and an elite ground ball rate should make him a solid major league starter whether his control improves or not. In fact, I see the BB% as more of a minor knock since it’s very uncommon for extreme ground ball pitchers to have pinpoint command.

I agree with the B, but it’d be my highest B possible. I don’t think a low B+ would be out of line either.

by PissedMick on Oct 17, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Jungmann

I hated this pick as I see this guy becoming another Jamey Wright. The team should have selected Sonny Gray who has a repertoire similar to Ben Sheets with better mechanics.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Gray

Most see Gray in the bullpen long term, which is not what I would have wanted out of that slot.

by sheetskout on Oct 18, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Barnes

I would have taken Matt Barnes over the both of them.

by backtocali on Oct 18, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was a protected pick

So there were still a ton of guys on the board that the Brewers should have taken instead of Jungmann – both pitchers and position players. Personally, I would have taken Brandon Nimmo at #12 – I think he’s going to be a star.

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by Fla-Giant on Oct 18, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Liked Barnes

But when it comes to the 12/15 for the Brewers last year and protected/unprotected, my guy for 12 was Blake Swihart.

Niether Swihart or Nimmo are the typical Brewer pick though, so we both were dreaming if we thought that was the pick that was a realistic “best” for them.

by backtocali on Oct 18, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey John,

If everything goes right for Lopez, do you think he’ll end up as a TOR starter?

Go ahead, make my day.

by ilikeburritos on Oct 17, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

He's listed under the "others" section.

I think “C” is the lowest grade John gives (have never seen a “C-” or “D” grade, could be wrong). I guess that means I’m a “C” prospect as well.

by mkries on Oct 17, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a prospect

Anymore, but how do you think Mat Gamel will do at 1B if Fielder leaves and he wins the job? What kind of stats can he put up if given a full year in the majors

by HarleyMila on Oct 17, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

+1

I’d love to know what you think, John.

by GuyinNY on Oct 18, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

John

4) Jed Bradley, LHP, Grade B: As with Bradley, he could be a B+ once we see how he looks in pro ball. I like both of them.

I am assuming that is supposed to be “Jungman”.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 18, 2011 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

If he can be more consistent, he could be a good one

His velocity varied tremendously from start to start. I saw a game mid-season where he was 94 and 2 weeks later he was 88.

by RynoRooter on Oct 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

err

Do you mean that he was sitting 94 one game and sitting 88 another game? Or are those just isolated readings? It’s not unusual to see a pitcher who sits, say, 88-91 to run it up to 93-94 a few times in that same game.

by mrkupe on Oct 19, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, sitting

He only cracked 90 mph a couple times in the second start.

by RynoRooter on Oct 19, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can imagine...

….that the Brewers system will get a bump once we get pro data from Jungmann, Bradley, and Lopez. We should be getting additional picks in 2012 from Prince’s likely departure as well. This should be a top-ten system this time next year, and I’m still for drafting more pitching in 2012.

by sheetskout on Oct 18, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Top 10 next year would be a huge stretch

Even if Jungman and Bradley impress in their debuts, niether one really profiles as a top of the rotation type of starter. And the 2012 draft will get the Brewers a a pick at the bottom of the first round, a supplemental, and someone else’s 2nd round pick (I’m convinced that the team that signs Fielder is going to come from picks 1-15). And with this organizations scouting philosophy and department, 3 top 100 picks in a relatively down draft, doesnt really bode well.

by backtocali on Oct 18, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait 'til Next Year

I thought something similar after reading the review: this Brewers system should be pretty strong in a year’s time, assuming they draft well. I don’t know that I’d jump right to top-10, but it’s easy to envision this system teeming with quality prospects this time a year from now.

by GuyinNY on Oct 18, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This should be a top-ten system this time next year

Ah, an optimist. I have some prime Florida swampland that you’re just going to love!

by blackoutyears on Oct 18, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks bottom 10 to me

Jungmann and Bradley are nice, but there’s a reason neither was a top 10 pick. It’s not like the Brewers were the only team who has a couple of roughly average recent first round picks. Overall the pitching here is still average at best, and the hitting is worse.

by acerimusdux on Oct 18, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It'll be tough to be a top 10 system next year

…when it’s not a top 25 system now. Whose system is thinner other than the White Sox and (arguably) the A’s?

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by Varry Galk on Oct 18, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The

Cubs? Marlins>

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 18, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're including the 2011 draft, as this was

the Cubs system is much better than the Brewers. Really not that close for me.

by RynoRooter on Oct 19, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I hate Baez (although I liked the rest of their draft), but its still damn thin. I guess it depends on what you think of guys like Jackson and Szcsur, who seem to be controversial prospects around here.

Plus, we’ll have to see what, if anything, goes to the Red Sox for Epstein.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 19, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

& Steve Jobs apparently!

Girlfriend definitely went for the iconoclastic wunderkind type.

by Matt0330 on Oct 24, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Make that

Surly iconoclastic wunderkind.

by blackoutyears on Oct 24, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well put (& true)

To borrow from the fictional Michael Bluth, ‘(She’s) definitely got a type’.

by Matt0330 on Oct 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

In many ways, Jobs’ genius may have been undercut by his…wait for it…arrested development in other areas?

by blackoutyears on Oct 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I

think Javier Baez was a really bad pick for the Cubs. As such, I don’t think the Cubs draft, and therefore their farm system as much as most.

I wouldn’t have drafted Baez in the first round.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Que?

No Baez in the 1st round? Interesting.

by RynoRooter on Oct 20, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I’m wary he will even stick at 3B, much less SS. As such his bat is really going to have to carry him (using my defensive assessment). I’m unsure it can.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I wouldn’t have drafted Baez in the first round."

How much of his defense have you seen, and what were the nature of the looks?

by blackoutyears on Oct 21, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually its depth is one of its strengths

Its problem is impact-level talent, which hopefully the past draft/IFA period helped remedy a little bit. The system has loads of future MLB players. It’s just not likely that many of them will be above average starters.

by RynoRooter on Oct 19, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

This is about how I feel. Loads of quality prospects, but I doubt many will merit more than a B. Quantity over quality, I suppose?

by GuyinNY on Oct 20, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like Baez or Maples

I don’t like Maples at all

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by mathisrocks5 on Oct 19, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Baez’ ceiling with bat is awfully high. The questions on the defense are bemusing. There are way too many glowing reviews of Baez as a player and athlete to be so negative on him.

by blackoutyears on Oct 21, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Indians are shockingly thin.

Might be a bottom 5 system quite suddenly. White Sox and A’s I definitely agree with. Cubs and Marlins as well. Dodgers and Giants both pretty weak, too. Phillies really trending downwards as well.

by alskor on Oct 19, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

(That’s not a knock on the organization, either. They did just have home field advantage in the NLCS, so it’s not like the minor league system was gutted wastefully.)

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by Varry Galk on Oct 18, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

They also have not too long ago graduated or traded Lawrie, Odorizzi, Cain, Escobar, Jeffress, Gamel, and Lucroy. So it’s not like the system has been unproductive. But BA did have them at #30 in March; they aren’t going to replenish overnight.

 

by acerimusdux on Oct 19, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bucci

I feel your a little low on him. He may not have moved fast for a former high draft pick, but he’s been producing.

by mattp31 on Oct 18, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Producing vs Developing

Not to mention his stuff isnt all that impressive. Pedestrian peripherals a High Class A and average stuff do not really scream “top prospect”.

And he was an 18th rounder, just on the edge of being considered an orgainzational player.

by backtocali on Oct 18, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Low 90s fastball and only 20 years old

7.2 K/9 – 3.1 BB/9 this year. Never going to be a top of the rotation guy, but considering his age, stuff and production its much too soon to write him off.

Given that he was a Canadian, 17 year old HS kid when he was drafted, being selected in the 18th round sound have little to do with how he’s viewed as prospect today.

He’ll have a couple years to produce at AA, will be interesting to see how the secondary pitches develop.

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by Supertramp on Oct 18, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree about AA and hope

But in response to the comment, I wouldnt characterize the kid as a big time prospect. There is some #3 to #5 type potential in there, but without the K numbers and a bit fewer walks he has a long way to go to become a true prospect that has an average MLB future in front of him.

If he turns into the kind of guy that can miss bats and generate a lot of grondballs, he may turn into something, but AA will play a big role for him this year. If he stumbles, 2013 will maybe be his last shot.

by backtocali on Oct 18, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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