Kansas City Royals Top 20 Prospects for 2012
Kansas City Royals Top 20 Prospects for 2012
THIS LIST WAS REVISED JANUARY 10, 2012
Given the large number of interesting prospects they have who haven't even played yet, the Royals system is particularly difficult to analyze.
The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Comments are welcome, but in the end all analysis and responsibility is mine of course. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2012 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!
QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:
Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.
Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.
A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.
Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.
Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.
Kansas City Royals Top 20 Prospects for 2012
1) Wil Myers, OF, Grade A-: I still believe in him, and I expect a big step forward in 2012. Moving up to the PCL, he could explode in the same way that Brett Lawrie did.
2) Bubba Starling, OF, Grade B+: He will be in my Top 50 hitters, although I don't exactly know where yet. Enormous upside with power/speed/Winfield-like potential, but rawness an issue.
3) Cheslor Cuthbert, 3B, Grade B+. If he hadn't slumped so badly in August this would be a no-brain A- grade. He was the youngest regular in the Midwest League and dominated much of the season. Defense may be an issue but bat could be special.
4) Jake Odorizzi, RHP, Grade B+: He has been a favorite of mine for three years and I see no reason to change that opinion, although he needs to work a bit lower in the zone.
5) Michael Montgomery, LHP, Grade B: Erratic, but still has high upside and is close to the majors. Slight adjustments could result in a breakthrough.
6) Kelvin Herrera, RHP, Grade B-: I'm shying away from giving relievers elite grades except in rare cases. There are lots of tough borderline grades in this system. I eventually decided there was enough uncertainty here to lower him to Grade B-.
7) Yordano Ventura, RHP, Grade B-: You have to love the arm strength and he was strong down the stretch. Grade could rise quickly in 2012.
8) Chris Dwyer, LHP, Grade B-: Another tough grade, but like Montgomery, there is still a lot of upside here if he can get his command where it needs to be.
9) Christian Colon, SS, Grade B-: Very solid glove, and I have not given up on the bat yet. High contact rate is a good marker and I think he can remain at shortstop.
10) Elier Hernandez, OF, Grade B-: Ranking Latin American signees this young who have no professional experience is very difficult, no matter how glowing the scouting report. His ceiling is enormous but we have no idea if tools will translate into skills.
11) Brett Eibner, OF, Grade B-: Another hard-to-handle grade, excellent power potential, draws walks, but contact issues look serious. This is a partial injury mulligan and he needs to get the bat going in '12 to retain this type of rating.
12) Bryan Brickhouse, RHP, Grade B-/Borderline C+: One of many promising high school players from '11 draft who signed too late to play. Without any pro data, it is tough to rank them in relation to guys already in the system.
13) Kyle Smith, RHP, Grade B-/Borderline C+: Same thing as with Brickhouse, impressive arm, bought away from college, scouts like him, but ranking is difficult.
14) Jason Adam, RHP, Grade C+: You could make a case to rank him ahead of the guys who haven't pitched yet. Seems overlooked and I think he could break through at Wilmington.
15) John Lamb, LHP, Grade C+: Tommy John guy. Just have to wait and see. Recovery of stuff and/or command is far from automatic.
16) Jorge Bonifacio, OF, Grade C+: Well-kept secret, somewhat raw, but toolsy, hit well in Appy League, right field arm. Breakthrough candidate for 2012 if he makes additional progress with strike zone.
17) Cam Gallagher, C, Grade C+: Second round high school catcher from 2011 draft, you could rank him as high as 12 if you believe in the bat. If all goes well: Devin Mesoraco. If all goes poorly, Kyle Skipworth.
18) Clint Robinson, 1B, Grade C+: I know he's old, but I think he can hit. He doesn't have Kila's problems with excessive patience. Would be a monster in Japan, and would be a useable DH/1B bat for someone in the majors.
19) Jeremy Jeffress, RHP, Grade C+: Still trying to figure out how to use that fastball, but seemed to go backwards this year despite making opening day roster.
20) Tim Melville, RHP, Grade C+: Continues to flash ability but still struggling to put it together game to game. Might be better off in the bullpen.
21) Brian Fletcher, OF, Grade C+: Need to see at higher levels, but he's mashed in college and the low minors. Aggressive hitter, not great tools or defense.
22) Greg Billo, RHP, Grade C+: Outstanding numbers in Midwest League, although scouts remain lukewarm due to lack of plus velocity. He is still quite young at age 21.
OTHERS: Michael Antonio, SS; Noel Arguelles, LHP; Humberto Arteaga, SS; Buddy Baumann, LHP; Jeff Bianchi, 2B; Mark Binford, RHP; Orlando Calixte, SS; Kevin Chapman, LHP; Jake Junis, RHP; Patrick Leonard, OF; Jack Lopez, SS; David Lough, OF; Justin Marks, LHP; Danny Mateo, INF; Adalberto Mondesi, SS (could rank a lot higher, I am still researching him), Yamaico Navarro, SS; Elisaul Pimentel, RHP; Leonel Santiago, RHP; Brandon Sisk, LHP; Tim Smith, OF; Will Smith, LHP; Everett Teaford, LHP; D'Andre Toney, OF; Kendal Volz, RHP.
It took me four days to work through this team, and I am still not sure of many of these grades. Ranking players who haven't played yet is a real pain, especially the 16-year-old Latin American guys who haven't played good competition. Even a North American high school guy like Starling isn't easy. His ceiling is tremendous but everyone knows the risks involved as well, and with no pro data to look at, I usually tend towards caution. Despite these issues, I went aggressive with Starling and Elier Hernandez, but cautious with others.
Major league promotions and pitcher attrition knocked the top layer off this system, but there is a lot more on the way up. The 2011 draft was very heavy with high-upside, high-risk, over-slot high school picks, and they have put a lot of money into Latin America. The Glasses have given Dayton Moore and his staff a lot of financial slack and they are using it aggressively.
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John
With regard to TJ guys, do you have a standard grade adjustment (drop by one grade) to account for recovery risk? And then bump them up to what you believe their natural talent level grade is, when you think they have recovered from TJ?
I can’t quite remember if this is what you said you did for TJ guys when discussing Jarrod Parker before the season started.
Not John, but this was asked in a very recent thread...
and the short answer is no – there is some drop but it is down case-by-case.
TJ
This was discussed in the Twins thread. It is case-by-case.
by John Sickels on Oct 15, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
any particular reason
you have Gibson and Lamb dropping down a lot farther than you had with Parker? Or is it more of a gut feeling?
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by CaptainCanuck on Oct 15, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
well I would say that a healthy Parker has the best stuff of the group
by John Sickels on Oct 15, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, no
I’m asking why while recovering after TJS you had Parker a tick lower than you had him before, but for Gibson and Lamb, you pretty much have them as huge wild cards.
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by CaptainCanuck on Oct 15, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
unless that's actually the reason
in which case I misinterpreted you as misinterpreting my question
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by CaptainCanuck on Oct 15, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Tommy John Gamble
Would you rather have Kyle Gibson (23) or John Lamb (21) if you had your choice?
hmm
tough call. Lamb is younger. I would probably go with him, although a healthy Gibson is awfully good.
by John Sickels on Oct 15, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Injury history
Also playing into it, both have had previous arm problems before TJ issues this year (Lamb elbow; Gibson, forearm fracture).
I believe Lamb's was a car accident, that he fully recovered from.
I don’t recall any throwing issues with Lamb before the TJ surgery.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Oct 17, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That is correct...
but still, an elbow injury nonetheless…
Was it elbow
Or a broken arm? I really don’t remember.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Oct 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It was his elbow...
But he broke it, not a TJ scenario.
It was his non-throwing arm though.
Right?
by royal_in_cincinnati on Oct 18, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, it was the left one...
Just google “John Lamb car accident” – it will bring up several sites…for instance:
http://baseballnewshound.com/?p=166
Similar stories by BA, Rotoworld, etc.
I'd take Gibson
Power Arm
"I will play tomorrow unless I am dead when I wake up" - Victor Martinez
Huh?
Kyle Gibson had pretty average velo before getting hurt. Lamb throws significantly harder… and he’s a LHP.
I thought I read that he was doing better now
I liek Lamb but if Gibson can reach his ceiling i’ll take him
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i think you nailed just about every grade....nice job john IMO best list yet.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 15, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
With that said I'd have Ventura a strong B-....tons of upside though
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 15, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the
Ventura grade and glad to see him that high on the list, what’s the thought process behind you downgrade SHS?
by jerzbravesboy24 on Oct 16, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Just Wondering...
But how do you feel about Jake Junis? I would by no means put him in the top 20 at this point, but I was very surprised he signed instead of going to college. I saw him in high school a little bit, so I was just wondering what your general feel of him was.
junis
I gave him a “Grade C with higher potential” at this point. He looks like a possible mid-rotation starter if it all comes together, but I’d like some pro data before going more aggressive than that
by John Sickels on Oct 16, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Myers
Do you think he’ll start next season in AAA? Or will they make him start in AA and then move him up?
myers
Depends on how he does in the Arizona Fall League and spring training.
by John Sickels on Oct 16, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Myers
Good article discussing the Royals decision to send Myers to AA. Evidently, they wanted him to experience some tough times because of all the early success.
"He’ll probably go back to Double-A," Moore said. "Hopefully, at the halfway point he’s doing enough to get him to Triple-A."
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/12/3204255/royals-prospect-myers-aims-to.html
seems a little odd but makes sense, assuming the player has a good mental makeup
by Noah McKinnie Braun on Oct 16, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mondesi
I’m def interested to see what you can turn up on him John. Good bloodlines, switch hitter that’s projected to stay/play at SS as he develops. Any idea where he ranks on the speed scale? This is going out on a limb but he seems to have a similar physical tool set as a guy like Jimmy Rollins did when he was drafted in 96.
by jerzbravesboy24 on Oct 16, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
mondesi
I have "tick above average’ speed in the report I have but I don’t know how accurate that is. From what I understand, none of his tools are especially outstanding, but he has great instincts and more polish than most LAmerica free agents.
by John Sickels on Oct 16, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Starling
I could certainly see him living up to his tentative A- billing, but this seems like a more generous grade than what it is usually given out to a toolsy but totally raw prospect. And you’re ranking him above Miguel Sano of the Twins.
John, What is it about Starling that makes you so aggressively high on him?
thanks
Thanks. Starling vs. Sano is an interesting comparison. I think Starling will have more defensive value. That said, I will have to think about this one and if I decide Sano should rank ahead, either his grade will move up or Starling’s will move down. That is why this stuff is all tentative until the book is actually done.
by John Sickels on Oct 16, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
John
Josh Bell or Starling in terms of overall batting potential?
Thanks.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 16, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
I think Bell might have a slightly higher upside as a hitter, but Starling can be a more complete player.
by John Sickels on Oct 16, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Eibner
Not sure if the injuries had anything to do with it, but I saw him 3 times here in Kane County this year, and all 3 times he had serious issues turning on inside fastballs. His swing is very long so I almost attribute the issues more to his swing than necessarily injury. Kid has a cannon and plays a really good defensive CF though.
eibner
Yeah I think the injury might have been a factor….thumb stuff can mess up hitters even after it is supposedly healed. However, your point about the long swing is well-taken.
by John Sickels on Oct 16, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Noel Arguelles
Any hope for Arguelles to make a jump up in the rankings next season? I didn’t follow his season closely this year but his numbers look okay, especially in terms of WHIP.
noel
His fastball doesn’t seem to have recovered from the injury…i have mediocre velocity reports. we’ll see what happens in Double-A but right now I have him as a Grade C type
by John Sickels on Oct 16, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Do shoulder injuries typicall take longer to "fully" recover from that TJS?
If so, that could be a reason for down velocity. He has a major league contract, so I assume the Royals are going to want to push him a little. Right?
by royal_in_cincinnati on Oct 17, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
shoulder recovers differently
Shoulder in general is more complex and harder to predict how it will heal compared to a ligament replacement like TJ. Plus the power (speed) comes from the shoulder. It’s not surprising Noel had a dip in velocity after the surgery, but it’s too early to know whether it will come back or not.
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by David Howards Legacy on Oct 17, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I was thinking.
He will start the year in AA, and should move up quickly. I’m sure the Royals want to get something out of that 5 year 6.9 mil contract.
Any updates on Lamb? I read somewhere that he is throwing already. Why is everyone assuming he will be out all of 2012. Strasburg came back exactly 12 months after his surgery. Right?
by royal_in_cincinnati on Oct 17, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
"Why is everyone assuming he will be out all of 2012. Strasburg came back exactly 12 months after his surgery."
Because in general, TJ recovery takes on the order of 12-18 months, with possibly up to 24-30 months to get back full velocity, command, and control. If we go with the conservative estimate, that puts Lamb out of play for 2012, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be throwing at all – he’ll participate in instructs, extended ST, etc. once healed.
Strasburg finished well ahead of schedule, and his progress isn’t necessarily the norm. It’s a science, but not an exact one – everyone’s body recovers differently – so it may be easier to assume Lamb will be out all of 2012 and be happy if he comes back to minor league play early.
Got a scouting report
on Yem Prades? He seemed to do pretty well in Wilmington.
detroitbaseballpage.com
Starling
As a Royals fan, it’s great to see Starling rated so high without having played a game. Was wondering how you feel he compares with college guy Anthony Rendon who went 1 pick below him in the draft. Thought maybe the Royals may have made a mistake not going with the college guy with the near ready bat in favor of the local high schooler who will probably take longer and be a bigger risk. Thanks.
Very deep system
Once you get past the top 5 or so guys, you have a group of about 20 that can be slotted in almost any order. I really like Daniel Mateo but he probably won’t even sniff most top 20 lists this year. Bonifacio is great too, it is interesting how under-the-radar he still is. And then you’ve got lotto ticket arms with guys like Yordano Ventura and Robinson Yambati.
A lot of depth in the lower levels, and it will be fun to see how the Royals do in developing these kids over the next few years.
Bonifacio is great too
Yes. Very interesting.
by blackoutyears on Oct 18, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing the Royals have 3 rookie teams and two A level teams
That is a ton of talent in the lower levels. Let’s hope they continue to go over slot (if that is still allowed). That is the only way a team like the Royals can put something competitive on the field.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Oct 17, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
That's one reason GMDM added another rookie level team
To create more competition to get to the next level. You aren’t just competing against a few, it’s a lot of guys and if you struggle, someone is there to take your place.
Cuthbert
Defense isn’t much of an issue; he has fantastic hands and clean actions. The arm is plenty strong and he shows some instincts for the position. Repetition will erode the easy errors that you often find at the lower levels of the minors. Having watched Cuthbert on countless occasions, there is nothing in the skill-set to suggest defense would be an issue.
do you guys think Herrera will be a closer?
and if so, when do you see him taking on that role?
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He has closer stuff, he actually has SP stuff.
But he can’t stay healthy. I think Holland is in line for closer duties before Herrera. But Soria is ahead of them both.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Oct 17, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year...
The Angels prelim list came out on Dec. 31 so you’ve got a bit of a wait…although last year, after MIN-ATL-KCR, the order went Mets, Rangers, Giants
(betting the playoff teams get a bid first…well, not the Mets, but the other two fit that profile).
he's one of the guys im most excited about seeing at a higher level next year...
i dont think he’s rowdy hardy, but is he enough different to be able to succeed at a higher level?
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by billybeingbilly on Oct 18, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
scouts don't hate, though
he was “#21” on the Pioneer League top 20. he isn’t some junk baller with a trick pitch fooling everyone at low levels. is he a stud, no i don’t think so, but i think he’s a legitimate prospect. Goldstein said he was 91-93, which aint bad at all.
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#21 on the Pioneer League top 20 isn't what I normally think of as "praise"
I realize he’s not a junkballer. But to me, it seems like the only reason anybody knows who he is is because of his statistical performance.
by hawkinscm87 on Oct 19, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
thats true...but he wouldnt be the first person to come out of nowhere and succeed....
wasnt beachy similar?
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by billybeingbilly on Oct 19, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he is a junk baller,
but I don’t think he is a real prospect either. He has a very deceiving delivery, that helps hide the ball very well. Will that continue to work as he moves up the ladder? Who knows.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Oct 21, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
John
Any idea where Salvador Perez would be if he didn’t lose prospect status?
For me, I’d put him at number 3 without any hesitation and an A-, though a B+ might be appropriate if you think the bat is really marginal (even for a catcher).
Jeffress
It seems to me he has too many majors appearances / IP to truly maintain prospect or rookie status through last 2 seasons.
What’s your cut on this John?
by nyyfaninlaaland on Oct 20, 2011 4:34 AM EDT reply actions
JJ only has 25.1 IP so far...
Rookie eligibility cut-off (for MLB at least) is 50 IP.
Gallagher played a lot of 1B during instructs
Does that change his grade based on the bat and position? A few other in the works…. do any of these change grades based on position changes? And John, how do you view that over all? Is it case by case or is there a grading change based on position normality?
Observation #2 A number of position switches appear to be in the works. Brian Fletcher and Cam Gallagher were both getting reps at first base while Michael Antonio was working at third. A couple prospects Daniel Mateo and Justin Trapp were pulling more reps at second. Christian Colon was also playing second base for his Arizona Fall League team which maybe more about Tim Beckham than a position switch inside the org but he definitely doesn’t have the physical appearance of a shortstop. Most of these moves were inevitable and while Gallagher was still getting reps at catcher his move to first base would hurt his overall prospect value.
Lough
still reasonable 4th OFer material?
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