Philadelphia Phillies Top 20 Prospects for 2011
All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don't get too concerned about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get past the Top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize.
Feel free to critique the list, but use logic and reason rather than polemics to do to. The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2011 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!
QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:
Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.
Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.
A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.
Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.
Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.
Philadelphia Phillies Top 20 Prospects for 2011
1) Domonic Brown, OF, Grade A: He may have some adjustment pains, but I believe in him. He's come a long way from being unable to hit rookie ball pitching.
2) Jonathan Singleton, 1B, Grade B+: Concern over poor second half splits kept me from going with the A-, but I do like him a lot. Can he adjust to the outfield? How will bat play in Florida State League?
3) Brody Colvin, RHP, Grade B+: Best of the hard-throwing high school pitcher cadre the Phillies have gathered recently.
4) Jarred Cosart, RHP, Grade B: Borderline B+, would get the higher grade but I'm concerned about his durability given elbow soreness.
5) Trevor May, RHP, Grade B: Like Cosart, I considered higher grade due to his incredible dominance potential, but in his case command issues cost him a notch.
6) Jesse Biddle, LHP, Grade B: One of my favorite players from the '10 draft class, power-armed lefty and a local talent to boot.
7) Sebastian Valle, C, Grade C+: He has intriguing defense and power combination, but strike zone judgment needs a lot of work.
8) Domingo Santana, OF, Grade C+: Very, very young for his levels last year. Quite toolsy, will need more development time.
9) Vance Worley, RHP, Grade C+: Should be a competent fourth starter. Doesn't have the ceiling of some of the guys below, but a much safer bet to make it.
10) Julio Rodriguez, RHP, Grade C+: Sleeper prospect, great numbers and late season scouting reports indicate velocity increase.
11) Cesar Hernandez, 2B, Grade C+: Excellent speed and defense in the difficult-to-hit-in New York-Penn League. I think he is overlooked.
12) Justin De Fratus, RHP, Grade C+: At worst a very good reliever, and I think there is a chance he could close eventually.
13) Josh Zeid, RHP, Grade C+: Was a bit old for the Sally League, but numbers are excellent, scouting reports are good, and he pitched well in Arizona Fall League. I think he is underrated by other sources.
14) J.C. Ramirez, RHP, Grade C+: Great arm, still working on learning how to pitch.
15) Perci Garner, RHP, Grade C+: Raw for a college pitcher, but I like his ceiling.
16) Austin Hyatt, RHP, Grade C+: Borderline C, Changeup artist could be fifth starter or useful bullpen asset within the next year.
17) Jiwan James, OF, Grade C: Borderline C+, Yes, Yes, I know all about his tools, and I actually like him. But he didn't make much progress turning those tools into skills in 2010. On upside-only he would rank in the top ten, but I don't grade just on upside. Performance counts too.
18) Aaron Altherr, OF, Grade C: Borderline C+, Like James, he's got excellent tools, and like James he would in the top ten on tools alone. But my ratings are a combination of tools and skills, and his skills are still quite raw.
19) Leandro Castro, OF, Grade C: See James and Altherr.
20) Matt Rizzotti, 1B, Grade C: Flipside of the last three prospects. Rizzotti can hit, but is limited defensively and blocked in Philadelphia.
OTHERS OF NOTE: Phillippe Aumont, RHP; Drew Carpenter, RHP; Zach Collier, OF; Kelly Dugan, OF; Gauntlett Eldemire, OF; Freddy Galvis, SS; Harold Garcia, 2B; Tyson Gillies, OF; Mario Hollands, LHP; Bryan Morgado, LHP; Jonathan Musser, RHP; Jon Pettibone, RHP; Brian Pointer, OF; Cameron Rupp, C; Michael Schwimer, RHP; Kevin Walter, RHP; Matt Way, LHP.
I expect the first six or seven slots here won't be controversial at all. There is broad industry consensus on the top levels of the Phillies system. Brown is outstanding and the perfect model of how the Phillies want their tools guys to develop. Singleton was great this year, then you have the group of impressive young pitching prospects. I think Colvin is the best of the group, but all of them have the talent to rank number one on this list a year from now.
Then it gets weird. The Phillies have a large mass of raw tools guys: James, Santana, Altherr, Castro, plus Collier, Dugan, Eldemire, and Pointer. They have unrefined power arms like Ramirez and Garner. They also have several polished pitchers with excellent performance records but less praise from scouts, but who could help in the majors sooner than the raw tools guys. On tools and upside alone, the athletes would rank ahead of the skill players. But history shows that most of the raw tools guys are going to fail, or at least not live up to their potential. Domonic Brown is the exception, not the rule. I don't grade on just upside; my philosophy is that I look at both tools and skills, future potential and current performance. Sometimes my opinion will come down on one side of that divide, sometimes another.
The whole point of baseball prospecting is to make your own judgments and not just regurgitate the rankings of other people, experts or not. It helps to remember that none of us have a perfect window into the future; the cloud of unknowing descends on us all. Doing this for 15 years has taught me a lot of humility. This is part of the reason I always go back and look at my old lists at mid-season, to see where I was right, where I was wrong, and why.
Sometimes my approach works, sometimes it doesn't, but the biggest problems I've run into have occurred when I let someone else's opinion override my own judgment.
Also remember the disclaimer in the first paragraph: Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize. If you want to emphasize something else on your own list, by all means do so. Also keep in mind that all of the grades are shorthand for my opinion about a player. The full opinion is in the book.
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Yikes...
- and two out of the top-20.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 2, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh
That was supposed to say “number 14,” of course.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 2, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
It’s tough to judge a package one year out. Gillies still has amazing speed and if he can recapture some of his hitting after a lost season, he could easily be in the top 10 next year. Aumont is a mess, but that isn’t uncommon with tall, cold weather pitchers. He may never put it together, but, well, TINSTAPP, I suppose.
Let's see
It looked terrible at the time and it looks even worse now. It’s going to take a lot of luck to salvage that mess.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
+1
Of course, I’ve never liked Gillies. He could be an Endy Chavez type if he can better conceal his cocaine habit. JC Ramirez is still a solid prospect, and I can very easily see Aumont turning into a good reliever, but the package is still terrible.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
The cocaine thing was just a matter of wrong place at the wrong time. The alleged story is that he was out one night and not in any position to drive home, so he hitched a ride with a cop. When he got out, the cop found a bag of coke. The bag didnt have Gillies prints on it and he tested clean at the station, so its almost certain that the bag came from someone else that was in the back of that car prior to Gillies.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 2, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't realize the charges were dropped
That’s certainly good news for him. Regardless of whether he uses or not (I couldn’t care less what someone ingests), the possession charge was the main issue.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Ramirez is an OK prospect. I just don't think he will ever get it together.
Aumont probably isn’t going to do much…. maybe a decent reliever. I still like Gillies potential, but I just don’t think he can be more than a outfielder who’s only skill is speed. His ceiling is probably Scott Posednik. If you compare the package the Mariners got in return for Lee, with the package the Mariners gave up for Lee, you can judge this as terrible.
I was going to say something like this.
In retrospect, it seems like the Phillies made out pretty well. They lost a year of Lee, but based on how Lee pitched against the Giants in the World Series it’s hard to argue that he would have been a difference-maker for the Phillies last year. And now they have him back for a reasonable deal that didn’t look possible a year ago, and they have three prospects to boot. If any of those prospects pan out it’s gravy.
+1, +1 and +1
I agree with all of the above viewpoints, and now it’s causing my brain to freeze up. Great insight John!
I'm just not that high on Singleton.
I’d consider having him as low as sixth here. Probably fourth.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 2, 2011 12:15 AM EST reply actions
I can't see the case for lower than 4th
I think Colvin/Singleton/Cosart are bunched together pretty tightly.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
+1
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jan 2, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree
BA ranked him as having the best power and plate discipline in the system. Combining those two things is a recipe for success.
Dewey and KBR are just.......too........sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!
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by King Billy Royal on Jan 2, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Including Dom Brown?
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
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Yes
Dominic Brown was ranked the #1 prospect but BA believes that Singleton has better power and plate judgment.
Dewey and KBR are just.......too........sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!
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by King Billy Royal on Jan 2, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Apology accepted.
Dewey and KBR are just.......too........sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!
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by King Billy Royal on Jan 3, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Ruben Amaro has the itch to trade Doc to "replenish the farm system" now that he signed Cliff Lee...
by alskor on Jan 2, 2011 1:21 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
He can do whatever he wants with a rotation like that
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jan 2, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
except trade the best arm
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by Kenan and Kel on Jan 2, 2011 4:47 AM EST up reply actions
Michael Schwimer
I think based on his2010 season & HIS usefulness (ie Likelyhood of actually being used in 2011) John could replace one of the toolsy OFs with him. He was outstanding both at AA & AAA.Hard to knock a 11.4 KK/9 IMHO.
He is oldish but has only 3 yrs of MILB ball & his stuff should translate into a nice Setup man for the Phillies for several years.I REALISE he is nt gonna be a star BUT he is a C+ type which translates into a ranking anywhere from 14 to 19 in the system.
Props
This system doesn’t get enough props. Look how many starters they’ve grown and some stars to boot. Howard, Utley, Rollins, Victorino, Hamels, and now Brown looks he’ll step right in too.
What...?!?!?
This system gets plenty of love! Maybe not as much from guys like Sickels who look at current performance and not just tools, but BA and others GUSH praise for their toolsy players…
-peter
Maybe Sickels is right?
BA/Goldstein & co always overate Toolsy guys…but how often do they ACTUALLY pan out?
Sickels looks at performance because more often than not grinders do actually produce something at MLB level.
BA never ever rates either RPs nor utility guys but both have value to a MLB club,no?
This year BA has Altheer,Santana & James in their top 10 but all 3 have major question marks - isn’t it sensible to have a back up plan ie high floor low ceiling guys in their eg De Fratus or Schwimmer?
by frenchredsox on Jan 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying...
Sickels is right or that BA is wrong or vice-versa… I certainly have disagreed with them publicly on top prospects and been right (see Lars Anderson) as well having been very wrong (I thought Pedro Alverez’s proclivity to strike out at the collegiate level would spell doom when he got to professional baseball – oops)…
The ONLY point I was making was that the Phillies get a lot of love not a lack of respect.
-peter
That's one guy who would have been on a list since 2006
And he hasn’t actually proven anything yet, though I do like him quite a bit. They haven’t done a bad job recently or anything, but they certainly haven’t been getting massively underrated or anything.
Biddle
I’ve harped on this a couple times, but the guy is just a fantastic person. No one will work harder to make the MLB roster in any way he can than guys like him. Team player, great work ethic, awesome support system. Hope he goes far.
Help
Can someone give me some sort of report on Joe Savery? I know last year he went 1-11 as a pitcher. Apparently he might move to a hitter, does anyone know his potential/likelihood to reach the MLB?
I believe he has been converted to a position player
He showed some offensive potential back at Rice even as it was clear from very early on that his pro future on the mound. I’m sure an off-season of work in the cage will do him some good, but it’s pretty much a crapshoot. Things like strike zone judgment and defensive aptitude are hard to gauge at present, and those could make a significant impact on his prognosis.
Odd List, but Interesting
This list is interesting, but I don’t agree with it on a lot of points.
The first thing that jumps out is Mr. Sickels stated logic. He says that he recognizes and values performance over raw tools, yet he lists Domingo Santana as the Phillies number eight prospect. Santana has not exhibited any performance numbers at all. Surely a .702 OPS at Williamsport impresses no one, particularly when you see that this was in 186 AB and he totaled 73 K’s. His strikeout rate was worse at Lakewood – 76 in 165 AB – all of which makes me wonder how he got promoted rather than demoted.
Sickels notes that Santana was very young for his age. However, Sickels never notes that Santana is a Dominican. Typically Dominicans are two years older than their listed age. If Santana turned 20 on August 5th rather than 18 than his performance flags him as a lottery ticket long-shot type of prospect.
Do the Phillies think Domingo Santana is older than his listed age? How else to explain his promotion when he could not make decent contact at Williamsport?
Then there is the strange reasoning by Sickels in regard to Jonathan Singleton, which seems to revolve around an inarticulated hunch that Singleton is somehow not as good as he would appear to be based upon past performance at a similar age and level by such MLB players as Justin Upton, Jay Bruce, David Wright and Jason Heyward. The Phillies and Singleton are in agreement that he needed to improve his conditioning for endurance as it was his first full season and he dropped off in the second half because of it. Singleton acknowledged this. I rate Singleton as an A+ can’t miss prospect. I expect he’ll hit his way to Reading this year at age 19, stopped only by a strange refusal to promote him by the Phillies. That’s the Phillies way it seems.
Aaron Altherr would appear to belong at number eight on the list given Sickels stated logic in making his decisions. Altherr exhibited competent performance at a young age at Williamsport. A .776 OPS in
94 AB and only 13 K’s while walking eight times. He was 19 years old.
Vance Worley could go even higher on the list if Sickels saw his performance out of the pen for the Phils. That would appear to be his future and at least in a set-up role down the road with the possibility of closing. Every hitter Worley faced out of the pen looked over-matched.
Leaving Anthony Hewitt entirely off the list was appropriate, and takes spine given that he was a 1st round pick. But what of lefty Nick Hernandez? Not even an "others of note"? Domingo Santana should not of been in the top twenty, he belongs in the "others of note" category, as does Perci Garner and Leandro Castro.
Surely Phillippe Aumont should have slipped into the bottom of the top twenty. He has one of the five best arms in the minors. He gets at least another year to show that he can develop effective command.
Interesting and educational read though. Julio Rodriguez is flagged as one to watch.
Vance Worley ...
… pitched to 11 batters out of the bullpen last year. Even if they were all “over matched,” I’m not sure you can draw any meaningful conclusions about his big league future from that sample size.
And Domingo Santana was not promoted last year. He started at Lakewood and was sent back to short-season Williamsport when they started up in June.
by Straw that stirs the drink on Jan 21, 2011 8:30 AM EST reply actions

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