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K-Tribe no-hits the Potomac Nationals
Marty Popham was the first of three in the effort.
7IP, 0H, 0R, 2BB, 8K, WP
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.
Alex Wimmers continues to be excellent
5 IP
4 H
1 R
1 BB
9 K
3GO-3FO
I know I’ve called him a high B before, but I’m starting to think the + may be justified.
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yeah definately either a B or B+
i would say
still 21 but turns 22 just after seasons end
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, yes I know
And for me, that girl’s name was “Black” Jack McDowell.
The best prospect in a stacked system IMO
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
by Gobroks on Sep 6, 2010 5:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Withrow
.2 ip, 6 h, 7 r, 3 bb, 1 k
guess he was due?
ugh.
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going over gameday...
no errors, one groundball put out for sands.
I wonder why they are just now going, “oh, lets try him at third base!”
withrow
bounce his ass way out of the top 100
by Rupert Pupkin on Sep 5, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Withrow
Was was it during the offseason that was pimping Withrow as a better prospect than Bumgarner?
Lol
You’d be AMAZED at some of the pitchers that have/were/are projected as better than Bumgarner. I’m not going to get into it but it’s been remarkably silly and, now he’s a productive big leaguer.
Insert posts below about K rate, stuff, blah, blah, blah.
May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.
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You were born 50 years too late case or you probably could have been a BBWAA member by now.
by jfish26101 on Sep 5, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His velocity came back.
With velocity, he’s a good prospect. When he’s sitting in the mid-80s…not so much. With as many undiagnosable maladies as pitchers routinely face, many of us were cautious and wanted to wait and see if his arm was permanently dead. What exactly is unreasonable about that?
Well, as it turns out...
… in this particular instance… I said the drop in velocity was nothing to worry about and, that it would come back. It was unreasonable because it was wrong. In this particular case.
If it was unforseeable it would have been reasonable. I believe it was obvious though.
I promised I wouldn’tb get into this again but, I cant resist. Just one questionb, just for Slam. When Bumgarner was going through his dead-arm phase he KEPT PITCHING and never missed a start did he? Now all these guys who have been ranked ahead of him (Mike Montgmery, and Casey Kelly come to mind) can’t even stay healthy enough to pitch at all and yet we dont here all the criticm about them . Why did Bum get no credit for that with you guys? He’s TOUGH, he battles, takes the mound, always pitches well
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Awesome.
I guess we should have listened to you, seeing as you had access to Madison Bumgarner’s medical reports and are fully qualified to interpret the results of MRIs.
Oh wait…neither of those things are true? Then you must have been guessing.
As far as your question goes, it’s entirely results-based analysis, which is absolutely beyond dumb. Pitchers get hurt. All the time. That’s why when someone’s already showing signs of his arm wearing down, you discount his future potential. As far as “pitching through it” goes, Erik Bedard pitched through arm troubles, too, and he’s got multiple shoulder surgeries and missed seasons to show for it. JJ putz withheld his injury from the Mets to start 2009 and he lost the whole season. Pitching through pain isn’t something you credit a guy for. It’s playing russian roulette with a promising career.
But by all means, keep patting yourself on the back with your platitudes. When the next pitching prospect whose velocity disappears towards the end of one year and stays down into spring training the next year, I’ll continue to be cautious about him.
by slamcactus on Sep 6, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was guessing
but I also felt like I was using common sense too. Sure I might have just gotten lucky but, I dont think so. Of course, I might be biased.
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I felt like I had telekinesis once.
Turned out I didn’t. It’s weird when we feel like we’re using something we don’t have, isn’t it?
"it was unreasonable because it was wrong."
Wow. Just…wow.
That is the most ridiculous sentence you’ve ever written.
If you ever wonder why a lot of people here tend to discount your opinions, look no further than this line.
Dude
Right after that I wrote that if it were unforseeable it woulkd have been reasonable.
I dont have to be the most arrogant guy ever to just have been right about something . . . this particular time.
I’m wrong about things a lot too! We can talk about those if you’d like.
You have a good point about the pitchers and injuries and I do agree that Bumgarner wasn’t handled in the most responsible way. I still think the fact that Bumgarner always PITCHED well whne his velocity was down wasn’t given enough credit. Instead it was BABIP this, K rate that, and all that BS.
… and I have NEVER wondered why people tend to discount my opinions, If they even do :-) That does kinda hurt a little though LOL. Its kinda like when you were a kid and someone said “Thats why nobody likes you!”
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Scheppers is starting today
not sure it means anything, but he is.
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It means Feldman
was scratched because he’ll be starting in Arlington on Tuesday for Cliff Lee as Lee nurses his back injury.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
Joe Benson
3-4 , 2 HR
YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
Whats his deal?
Did he come out of nowehere? Where does he stand now as far as big picture?
Re-Enter 2006 draft
in round 1 the Twins took High-schooler Chris Parmelee RF/1B
in round 2 the Twins took High-schooler Joe Benson RF/LF/CF
Benson has always been regarded as the better athlete, has more speed, and apparently a little more power too.
Parmelee makes more and better contact IMO …. but Benson clearly is the better prospect.
William Benson has been slowed by injuries much of the past 2 seasons (he missed about 2 months last year due to punching something -wall? (much like the Carlos Quentin indecent)
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
just staying from with-in
a comp for Benson could be Cuddyer
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Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Cuddyer?
Benson is all kinds of toolsy. I don’t see Cuddyer at all.
by FI2 on Sep 5, 2010 8:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Benson is pretty similar to Drew Stubbs, if you ask me. A little better raw power and BB rate, a little worse SB and defense. Both are athletic CFs with K problems though.
yeah Drew Stubbs is who i've got for a comp.
I just was saying if you had to pick someone in the organization Cuddyer would be it.
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna say Stubbs but I thought I'd get torched
Lol
by FI2 on Sep 6, 2010 12:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No minors
Morrison was hit in the head with a foul ball while on deck.
He was 3-4 with 2 doubles and a triple. .312/.414/.486 (.899 OPS) so far in the majors.
Morrison could be the next Olerud
would be a great career, he’s a good hitter
like borderline hall of fame good
Olerud was an otherworldly defender, though, and Morrison is far from that
is he playing tomorrow?
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Ends on a meh note
5 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 3 K, 8 GO/3 AO.
Fought through traffic a lot. Half of the hits were soft grounders or bloopers though.
Pirates' minor leagues:
Starling Marte, A+: 1-3, SB
Andrew Maggi, SS-A: 2-3, SB
Colton Cain, SS-A: 4 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 6 K
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Lamb
4.2 ip, 5 h, 2 r, 1 bb, 7 k
finishing on a stronger note. should have at least 1 start in playoffs.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
Derek Norris
0-3, BB, 3K
Norris will get at least two or 3 games after tomorrow with Potomac winning the second half and earning a spot in the Carolina League playoffs.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.
Top 5 guy for me.
.300+ ISO between AA/AAA as a 21-year old with a 12% strikeout rate is just plain ridiculous.
Seems a little pessimistic
Unless it’s a very rich man. Although I do understand the impulse to moderate expectations.
How about a LH Aramis Ramirez?
Eh, I don’t know…his BB rate is still pretty poor. I used to think Moustakas would end up in RF long term but that seems to be where Myers will settle if he doesn’t make significant strides very quickly (I don’t see them holding him back to work on his defense long). It’s a nice problem to have though, we will see what happens.
I think top 5 is awfully aggressive and personally think people are getting a bit carried away with the Royals farm. I don’t see how people can honestly think they have 5 players that will put up careers worthy enough to justify 2-3 being in the top 10 and 4-5 being in the top 20-25 when the 2011 list is looked back at 10-20 years down the road. Everyone just assumes that Hosmer, Lamb, Moustakas, and Myers will all pan out, it rarely works that way.
Maybe so
I don’t have a good read on his defense. I’ve heard he’s in better shape this year though. Any worse than Ramirez and he’s not a third baseman, which granted, could be the case for Moose, but given their organizational needs I imagine they’ll give him every chance to stick if he can manage it at all.
I meant the Crede comp, not the ARam one
I hope he can be at least match ARam defensively.
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I don't think it's overly optimistic
The concerns on him defensively are more about how his body will look several years down the line . . .the glove isn’t too bad at all. Crede before his back finally gave up on him was a nice glove guy, so I wouldn’t expect quite that much, but I don’t think you’re looking at a bad 3B.
Offensively it really works for me . . .Crede had a pretty good bat and strong raw power that his plate discipline really sapped. Crede’s best year was .283/.323/.506 . . .if all goes well for Moose, he’s basically producing a somewhat better version of that same line, isn’t he?
I guess that's the question, isn't it?
Is his walk rate a pitch recognition thing to the point where it will affect his power? Or is he just one of those guys who likes to swing the bat instead of working a walk? And how much will he improve in that area as he gets older, since he’s just 21?
For me, I’m looking at a guy with a 10.6% strikeout rate in AAA as a 21-year old. So I’m thinking either he actually has good pitch recognition but prefers to put the ball in play, or he has incredible hands.
yeah, it's an interesting question
I’m inclined to think that’s he’s going to be fine, because he makes contact and he hits for average. I just think there’s a considerably-more-than-zero chance that he might go Delmon Young on us for a little bit while adjusting to the majors. I’ve mentioned this before, but I use something of a sliding scale . . .the relatively low number of Ks in the low minors suggested that Moustakas would end up doing okay in the long-run, but the low number of walks in the higher minors suggest possible ML adjustment issues. The ideal development process would involve a prospect having a low strikeout rate in the lower minors and then, as their strikeouts rise, the walks also rise, preferably with power development. So, something like Adam Dunn, although of course Dunn could have gone in lots of different directions other than the one that he chose.
Crede was a well above average defender
If Moustakas can be average at the position, I think that’s a win for the Royals.
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yep, I know
I used to watch Crede every day. He was excellent and probably should have won at least one Gold Glove.
Mike Trout
3/5 4 R 1 HR 2 RBI 1 BB
by Arlo Brunsberg's Swing on Sep 5, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
u serious?
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that is possible
how can someone who is #1 be underrated. there is no higher place to rate him
B/c there is very little chatter or hype about him here as compared to previous number 1's
And probably more dissenters than usual for a number 1 prospect.
i would say its because i really don't see power in his swing
he’s more of a Desmond Jennings 2.0 to me… though he may end up being better.
i think he'll be better
he could end up being Colby Rasmus
Ohh snap
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Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that similar
Desmond has a totally different build, he doesn’t have closet to the strength that trout has. Also, he has about three years on him to learn when to turn on a ball and still hasn’t developed power.
Trout has the bat speed, he is very strong (which is important for those pitches not quite squared up), and he has a great approach. I think he will add some loft to his swing. And with his approach I think he will learn when to pull a ball for power.
Well
my personal view is that he isn’t quite as good as many former #1’s. There’s just no one better than him right now. I don’t think that slight dissent means he’s underrated, just that he’s not quite as good in everyone’s eyes as some former #1’s.
As for lack of hype, A) he hasn’t been ranked highly yet by all the big prospect lists, B) he’s in the lower-minors, C) he didn’t have college to build up his hype. I guarantee in less than a year, the hype will be full-on (unless he completely falls off a cliff/gets injured).
by Fuckmikereilly on Sep 5, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the hype will come
I do think he is that good. It’s more about the lack of hype right now. Upton and others didn’t put on big power displays in the low minors but they were hyped more and so everyone believed in the power.
The funny thing with trout is his numbers have been unbelievable across the board except power and the scouts/analysts project good power for him. I think people rely on the hype more than they realize. Other #1’s have had more red flags but were seen as much better prospects.
what u think he's skipping a level?
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 6, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It's rumored he is getting promoted
not sure on credibility
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by Marinerfanjake on Sep 6, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
In order to play in the playoffs, I'd assume
Most promotions will be for that reason this time of year.
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It's official.
Churchill started suggesting a couple weeks ago that the Ms may want to spare Franklin from playing in High Desert, and Triunfel’s on the minor league DL, leaving the team with a spot available for the playoff roster.
Ok so he'll start next year
at High A I got it
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Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 6, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure...
Churchill suggested the team may start him in Double-A in 2010. Way too early to tell, of course. The Ms’ contract with High Desert is also up this season, so they’ll be looking for greener A+ pastures. They might not find them of course, but they’re going to try. If they find one they don’t feel teaches hitters bad habits, maybe they become more inclined to take Franklin one level at a time.
Totally up in the air. For all we know Franklin will show up to ST next year drunk from his own success and 25 lbs overweight. I doubt it, but a lot can happen between now and next April :)
not posted elsewhere, but Tyler Matzek
If you follow Mike Newman on Twitter (click link, follow him, then come back), you’ve seen this already . . .but Tyler Matzek’s stuff looks down. Like, really down.
I still like the ceiling
But, I am more worried about all the command/control issues than the disappearing velo…
I'll beg to differ
This isn’t a Bumgarner situation where we had a track record of good velocity as a pro to go on. The lack of control sucks, but it’s almost to be expected out of a young southpaw. But 19 year old pro prospects aren’t supposed to be sitting 84-87 MPH at any point of a pitching performance. Either his conditioning is awful, he has an underlying medical condition that we don’t know about, or he’s got something screwy in that arm of his.
agreed
Tho – this is his first pro season, could just be a dead arm period.
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oh, I'm well aware
But 84-85 MPH is awful even by dead arm standards.
His vela was down
At the start of his season (90-91) as well. This was also after he was kept on ice for the first 6 weeks of the season in order to manage his workload/exposure to cold conditions
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just playing devil's advocate
Like Bumgarner, he’ll be downgraded until his velo pops back up
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Not in the first few outings
Mike Newman’s first write up on him:
Fastball – Matzek sat at 88-91 MPH in the first inning, but worked in the low-90′s the rest of the outing. He peaked in the 3rd inning sitting 92-94 MPH. It was the hardest fastball I have seen from a left-handed pitching prospect in my time watching players. With downward plane, he attacked Sand Gnats hitters on the hands challenging them to turn on the pitch. Very few could leading to only four hits allowed and eight strikeouts.
For the most part, his accuracy was pinpoint, but he suffered a couple of lapses in the outing in which he threw a handful of high fastballs up leading to quick walks. As he continues to mature, this minor issue should work itself out. With his over-the-top arm action, his four-seam movement may be limited. but a 2-seem fastball at 88-91 MPH showed arm-side run away from right-handed hitters.
No, it was never the high 90s that was reported during his playoff outings in HS, but still elite velocity for a LHP.
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