BA Gulf Coast League Top 20
by mrkupe on Sep 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT
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Print1. Gary Sanchez, c, Yankees
2. Miguel Sano, 3b/ss, Twins
3. Justin O'Conner, c, Rays
4. Jake Marisnick, of, Blue Jays
5. Matt Lipka, ss, Braves
6. Juan Urbina, lhp, Mets
7. Jesse Biddle, lhp, Phillies
8. Aaron Altherr, of, Phillies
9. Max Kepler, of, Twins
10. Cito Culver, ss, Yankees
11. Luke Bailey, c, Rays
12. Kellen Sweeney, 3b, Blue Jays
13. Ramon Flores, 1b/of, Yankees
14. K.C. Hobson, 1b, Blue Jays
15. Bruce Rondon, rhp, Tigers
16. Keury de la Cruz, of, Red Sox
17. Christopher Hawkins, 3b, Blue Jays
18. Ryan Brett, 2b, Rays
19. Henry Ramos, of, Red Sox
20. Dixon Machado, ss, Tigers
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2010/2610710.html
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Gary Sanchez first?
Nice. He might be top 100 overall too.
Sanchez will make the BA top 100
He and Sano are pretty much locks. The interesting thing will be to see how high they get ranked.
well
they clearly aren’t performance scores. and they also are a true ranking. i tried to find the methodology with a quick search but failed to. maybe i came across it before, but now i’m at a loss.
by auclairkeithbc on Sep 23, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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true ranking meaning a ranking on potential as they do in their top 100 or org top 10s.
by auclairkeithbc on Sep 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
That is why I am confused. It CAN’T be performance based only. I am pretty sure about that. Although Gary Sanchez would def be tops either way. And the rankings never come all that close to matching the Org rankings, so maybe a lot changes in their minds in the few months of off-season, but that seems like a stretch as well.
by auclairkeithbc on Sep 23, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm almost positive that it is a prospect ranking
As in best prospects in that league, focusing primarily on the future. The differences likely arise because:
-The top 20s and team top 10s are almost always done by different people with the top 10s often coming from local beat writers.
-The top 20s are formed by talking to league sources
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Well, they certainly change this order a ton on the top 100 list
and its not like the guys do a lot to change their opinion between now and then.
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No, but they do talk to more sources about the players
The top 100 doesn’t come out until February. In between the league top 20s and the top 100, they focus more in depth on specific teams and there are also winter ball/instructional league reports that get relayed to them. I think opinions in general do change a bit as the offseason progresses, and on top of that you have a collaboration effort for the top 100 rather than a simple ranking by one person.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Different people rank the top-100
from the league lists
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by OldProspects on Sep 26, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I take it as a top 20 in terms of prospect status and potential, but one that is heavily dependent on the managers and scouts of that particular league. And as it is compiled by a single author, each league list has the potential to be contradicted by other lists (team and top 100) that are done by other authors or by committee.
ok
That actually makes sense if that is correct. It definitely reads more like a true prospect ranking, than a performance-based one, and I could see some serious variance among individual prospect rankings, so that easily explains the sometimes big differences in these rankings and organization/top 10 rankings.
by auclairkeithbc on Sep 23, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah it's a ranking
It’s a ranking, but based only on what people saw in that one league.
For the overall list, other things matter. Maybe a guy didn’t look good in one league and was overmatched, but looked good in another. Or maybe scouts were raving about him 6 months ago in college ball, but he impresses people less in this one league, etc.
+1
And they seem to rely more on the managers than the scouts.
That's one thing that John
has over BA or others is the single opinion/voice. BA has different people doing different teams and if one guy is off, it is still under the BA name. I belive that Callis and Manuel approve these lists and have to agree to a point but I’m not sure of it.
http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/
by Matt Garrioch on Sep 29, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
From what I understand
Callis/Manuel make sure that the beat writers that fill in to do the top 30s don’t do anything obviously wrong, but generally let them rank how they feel. The league top 20s are all done in-house so I doubt they tweak those much.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Aaron Altherr
In the chat, he was called more toolsy than Hewitt . . . physically, he looks like someone in between Dexter Fower and Dom Brown. Now if he develops similar skills is a totally different question, but it looks like the body and the tools are there.
Altherr
He played ball out on the westside of Phx and I saw him play 2-3 times in high school. Was actually a SS/Pi despite being about 6’4" and 160 pounds and extremely raw. He is very athletic- DI basketball athletic. It will be a challenge for him to close those holes in that swing but the potential is there. Not sprinter speed or WR in football type speed, but alot of fast twitch basketball type athleticism.
Surprised Eddie Rosario didn't make top 20
He looks to be a very fine ball player, can hit for some extra bases, can steal bags.
yeah i knew he wouldnt' make top 10 or even 15
but coulda been in there around 18 or 20…
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 23, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Liked him a lot when I saw him. Can do a bit of everything.
by Jordan Tuwiner on Sep 23, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a little surprised Aaron Sanchez didn't make the list.
The combo of stuff and projectability along with his ability to miss bats and induce grounders is pretty impressive. Maybe sample size was too small?
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Sep 23, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
from the article
he didn’t qualify innings wise because of his promotion
Usually I agree but Arcia could probably hit a bounced pitch out of the park right now. -KBR
And from the chat:
Nathan Rode: My opinion hasn’t changed because I’ve been a big Sanchez fan since I saw him at the Tournament of Stars in 2009. He was working 89-92, but touched a lot of 94 this summer. He has plenty of projection and good secondary stuff for a high school guy. If he qualified he would have easily made the Top 10. I would’ve wrestled a while with how he stacks up with Urbina.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Absolutely
I would have had him either at 3 or 4 personally, but I think the standard they use is 20 IP/50 AB, but I’m not 100% sure on that
Usually I agree but Arcia could probably hit a bounced pitch out of the park right now. -KBR
Jose Perdomo
Pretty clearly the best results this season in the GCL for pitchers, especially considering age. I don’t know all that much about his stuff or whatever else, but he’s someone who should be on the radar at least. Only a C guy at this point, but to me, should be an honorable mention in the Astros top 20 list.
No love for the Nats?
Perhaps not too many prospects there, but am surprised that Randolph Oduber didn’t get any top-20 love. Perhaps old for the level, but a lower-round reach with a decent bonus paid, and nice triple-slash stats…..
I'm a Yanks fan.
But I find the Culver ranking a bit aggressive.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Really?
I think it’s about right. The only one below him that I’d move rather have would be Luke Bailey.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
The scouting reports attached were positive enough for both players
The GCL is a big enough league where I don’t think 10&11 are all that damaging of rankings.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Suprised Kepler comes in 9th
surprised Kepler is there and not closer to top 5… but am ok with this, for now…
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 23, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
Anderson Felix
BA doesn’t like him?
Yankee 2010 Shadow Draft
1. A.J Cole-SP
2. Austin Wilson-RF
3. Jesse Hahn-SP
4. A.J Vanegas-SP
5. Kevin Gausman-SP
6. Kris Bryant-1B
BA just doesn't like 2nd basemen
It isn’t just Anderson Feliz; check BA’s highest rankings for Utley, Cano, Pedroia, Uggla, Brian Roberts, etc., etc.
If memory serves, none of them ever cracked BA’s top 50…or even top 70.
And whither Anthony Garcia on this year’s list? An 18-year-old with slash stats of .284/.406/.457 in the GCL while fanning in less than 12% of his PA’s is a rare bird. Should be top 5, probably #3 behind just Sanchez & Sano.
Tools trump stats at this level
Tools trump stats at most levels, but even more so in rookie ball. I don’t know enough about Anthony Garcia or Anderson Feliz to say whether they should be on here, but using statistics to justify their inclusion is missing the point.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
recent top 50 BA second basemen
Rickie Weeks – 5 in 2004, 8 in 2005
Brandon Phillips – 7 in 2003
Dustin Ackley – 11 in 2010
Howie Kendrick – 12 in 2006
Josh Barfield – 20 in 2004, 45 in 2005
Scott Hairston – 26 in 2003, 34 in 2004
Todd Frazier – 43 in 2010
Matt Antonelli – 50 in 2008
Plus Gordon Beckham was #20 in 2009 (listed as a SS). Utley was ranked #80 in 2003, and had his real “breakout” campaign in AAA that year and lost prospect eligibility heading into 2004. Cano,Uggla and Roberts were never ranked. Pedroia and Orlando Hudson had similar progressions to Utley’s.
BA may not have identified the “correct” top 2B, but they don’t seem to have an aversion to ranking a 2B highly.
Interesting, thanks for taking a look.
Utley is justifiable based on what you said. I know BA has discussed the omission of Pedroia before so that isn’t too surprising to me.
Cano/Roberts is interesting though. I know a lot of places prefer SS who had to move off the position for 2B, not sure if that had anything to do with their omission or not.
felix
seems like a player who is good at everything but not great which is enough for me
Yankee 2010 Shadow Draft
1. A.J Cole-SP
2. Austin Wilson-RF
3. Jesse Hahn-SP
4. A.J Vanegas-SP
5. Kevin Gausman-SP
6. Kris Bryant-1B
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