Minors and callups 9/14-until
by souldrummer on Sep 14, 2010 8:04 PM EDT
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PrintI must admit that Rafael Nadal booted the baseball off the radio for me a bit early last night. Both my P-Nats and Nats took a beating and I bailed early. The Derek Norris golden sombrero didn't help my mood either. But baseball's everyday! MLB pennant race? Bah! It's all about the Mills Cup Finals! Not many teams left, but here's a spot to proclaim the greatness of "clutch" in the minor league playoffs.
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Nick Evans
2-2, 2runs/RBI
What do people think of him?? He appears to have had a very solid year between AA and AAA.
I think he's earned a shot somewhere
There are guys who have done much less at Triple-A and gotten shots before. It probably won’t happen in New York, but some non-contender in need of a cheap bat could probably look Evans’ way.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 15, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Archer
After a shaky start the previous round, Archer is dominating the Suns tonight. 6 shutout, 4 h, 1 bb, 8 K’s. 6:2 GO/FO. i imagine he’s close to done, if not done, considering he’s at 94 pitches. Brandon Guyer and Robinson Chirinos each have home runs, while Brett Jackson has a double.
Impressive stuff.
What’s this guy grade right now?
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.
Thank ya much.
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by souldrummer on Sep 14, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd give him a B
Don’t love the stuff that much, and he’s not as good as his W-L/ERA would indicate (not that you’re looking at those that much).
How about that damn DeRosa trade though? I remember hating it at the time, but I’ve really proven to be wrong on that one. Between Archer, John Gaub and Jeff Stevens, that’s some pretty great value for one year of DeRosa.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 15, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
The reports on the stuff have been pretty awesome
I quoted this last time I discussed Archer, but here’s Badler’s report from late July:
How is Archer doing it? With a 93-95 mph fastball that touches 97 with downhill plane and a hard slider that is getting grades of anywhere from 60 to 70 on the 20-80 scale, making it one of the best breaking balls in the minors. Archer doesn’t go to his changeup much, but he shows feel for that pitch as well with occasional sink and fade.
Yeah, he has control issues, but two big time pitches is definitely something I’m interested in. He’s really not that far behind Jackson for me.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Didn't know that his velocity ticked up
I remember him being at 89-93 with a plus slider, but I was worried about the combination of a weak third offering and sometimes shaky command.
I suppose I’d be more comfortable with the B+ if he holds that velocity for a few years.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 15, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the B for different reasons
He has really good stuff, but his control worries me. I had hoped he overcame that in Daytona earlier this season, but he’s had some outings in AA where it seemed like he was walking the world.
I feel pretty comfortable in putting him at #2 in the Cubs’ system.
by Outshined_One on Sep 15, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I have Archer and Hak-Ju Lee really, really close
Brett Jackson is No. 1. Lee and Archer take the next two spots. Then you got Vitters, Jay Jackson and Carpenter. Then you got guys like Junior Lake and Brandon Guyer. Then guys like Ryan Flaherty, D.J. LeMaheiu, and the 2010 draft picks (Gibbs, Simpson, Golden, etc.).
Honestly I’m pretty happy with the system right now, although the 2010 draft was pretty underwhelming with Simpson-Golden going 1-2.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 15, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
um McNutt?
Loosely, my top 10 for us goes
1. Brett Jackson, B+.
2. Chris Archer, B+/B. Leaning B+, still debating.
3. Kenneth McNutt, B/B+. Leaning B, still debating.
4. Hak-ju Lee, B.
5. Chris Carpenter, B. Got stronger as the year progressed.
6. Jay Jackson, B-.
7. Josh Vitters, ?. Leaning B-, but still debating this.
8. Junior Lake, C+.
9. Hayden Simpson, C+.
10. Reggie Golden, C+.
There’s a number of C+’s in the system, IMO. My current list has C+’s all the way to the early 20’s, although still debating a couple on the back end.
Damn, forgot about McNutt
I still like Lee more than McNutt, I think. I think there are a good number of people who underestimate Lee as a long-term prospect.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 15, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
thats interesting cause i'd grade them out like so...
1. Jackson B+
2. Archer B but high end (maybe i can be convinced to B+)
3. McNutt B
4. Hak-Ju Lee B but low end (Likely B- even)
5. Jay Jackson B-
6. Chris Carpenter B-
7. Reggie Golden C+
8. Vitters C+
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I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 20, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd definitely take Vitters over Golden still
I think he’s still far more likely to pan out at this point than Golden.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 20, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Gut feeling says that Stevens
will probably be gone. And I have no idea what is up with Gaub.
All that said, the return value has turned out to be worth it, even if Stevens is gone and Gaub doesn’t get it together.
Derek Norris
2-3, R, RBI, 2B, BB, K threw out an attempted base stealer. According to the broadcast Norris has thrown out more than 50% of attempted basestealers? Curious about what I should make of that data and where I would go to confirm that.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.
Yup, that's legitimate. One of the big reasonsf for why I'm bullish on Norris is the reportedly improving defense.
In 69 games, there have been 57 stolen base attempts on Norris, and he’s thrown on 29 of them for a shiny 51% success rate.
You can find that data on B-R.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 15, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the response. I didn’t realize he’d been that successful with the basestealers until tonight. I’m leaning towards heading to game 3 of the Mills Cup Finals in Potomac tonight, so I hope that I’ll get to witness some of Norris’ potential in person.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.
by souldrummer on Sep 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
TL Championship Opener . . .has been postponed
That Midland team is a bit less prospect heavy than it was earlier in the year, but the addition of Grant Green for the playoffs is pretty spicy. I got a chance to see Midland and Frisco play in Midland a few days ago . . .was VERY impressed with Green’s bat despite the half-empty half-full results. Seeing him play against some of those LH arms of NW Arkansas should be very interesting. If the series goes on for multiple games in Midland, there’s an outside chance that I’d make the trip to see these two teams match up. While Midland is seriously out in the middle of nowhere, the stadium itself is pretty decent. Lots of good food options at reasonable prices if you’re into that. Nice natural shade provided by the stadium. Big complaint about the stadium gun as it is off by a fair margin . . .fortunately, I was able to adjust things in my head.
Man, I'm envious of you.
One of the reasons I’m bummed that Harrisburg got eliminated from the EL playoffs is that I wanted to try to catch Tom Milone for one of his starts in Harrisburg’s beautifully renovated stadium. I’m rather glad that the Nats reupped with Harrisburg at least instead of heading for Richmond.
I may go to see Potomac in one of their home games in the CL playoffs, but the Pfitzer is an utter dump.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.
by souldrummer on Sep 14, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a good deal, yeah
Personally, among the TL parks I’ve been to, I think Corpus Christi’s Whataburger Field is awesome, especially because the radar gun there is extremely accurate. And enjoying CC during the day only to head out to a ballgame in the evening makes for a great getaway.
The Frisco team isn’t all that spectacular right now, the trades really wrecked the roster. . .Engel Beltre is obviously a good one, but that’s about it as far as position player prospects who could really do something. A few decent arms in the pen. Rotation is Perez and filler, although if you want to include Robbie Ross (who was promoted to start the series-ending game) in there it looks a bit better.
The impossible has happened
Clayton Kershaw has pitched a CG. Justification to those brazen enough to put a 1 in that column in his community projection.
"This has got to hurt"
by Da.aron on Sep 15, 2010 12:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I could not be any more happy than I am tonight for Clayton
He’s been amazing since May of 2009, and never gets near enough recognition for it. If he had 5 more wins (the bullpen has blown 4 or 5 games for him, plus he gets so little run support, damn the Dodger’s offense) people would be talking him up as a potential Cy Young candidate, but instead ESPN shows him for 10 seconds in their “highlight” of him tonight.
If he were on the Phillies/Yankees/Redsox/Mets he would be talked up so bad.
But luckily he’s a Dodger :D
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Yeah, it's been quite the stretch for him
In his past 24 starts, he’s averaged 6.7 innings per start while putting up a 2.45 ERA. He’ll always be a flyball pitcher, but that doesn’t matter too much when you’re putting up a 165/53 K/BB.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 15, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He's got a 12.3 (around there) infield fly ball percentage
He’s one of the better ones in the league in that category.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If he were on the Phillies/Yankees/Red Sox he'd probably look a lot more like Jorge De La Rosa than "amazing"
Not that DLR’s a bad pitcher, of course.
So now we can all agree that De La Rosa is really good, right?
I think the bigger point that you just made isn’t that Kershaw is overrated, but that De La Rosa is underrated.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And I won't totally disagree.
I almost never, ever hear Kershaw mentioned among the game’s best pitchers. He’s in that second tier. And honestly, given that he’s going to eclipse 200 innings, and durability/efficiency were always his biggest question marks once he reached the majors, I’d argue he absolutely belongs in that second tier.
I don’t think that Kershaw is that overrated. It’s not like his low HR/FB is a function of Dodger Stadium; his HR/FB is 6.5% on the road and 6.7% at home. I’m starting to think that maybe he’s just one of those guys who can sustain a HR/FB slightly below the league average.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 15, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
and his efficiency is no longer in question either
as his walk rate since may has been just around 3 per 9…
and has been averagin 6.7 IP…
so pissedmick can you tell me why u think kershaw is still overrated??? or are you just saying BS…
Who do you have in that top tier?
Halladay, Lee, Felix, Lester, possibly CC, Josh Johnson, and maybe a couple others? If it’s only about 10-15 people in that top tier I completely agree with that assessment. He’s steadily rising to the top of the league, and once he can get those walks at about 3 per 9 innings, he should really be considered an elite pitcher. I think he can get there toward the end of next season.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Yeah, the top tier is limited in my opinion
I’d put in Halladay, Liriano, Lee, Johnson, Felix, Lester, Wainwright, Greinke, Jimenez, Verlander, Sabathia, Lincecum and Weaver.
Kershaw is at the top of the next tier, with guys like Price, Hamels, Romero, Billingsley, Haren, Hanson, Gallardo, and Oswalt.
I think that Kershaw could make that jump next year, like Weaver did this year.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 16, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Carpenter, Latos, Lester, Buchholz, Santana and Greinke
all wonder why you hate them (especially compared to Romero and Billingsley).
by realitypolice on Sep 16, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Because I can't list everyone?
I did mention Lester and Greinke – put them in the top tier.
Santana’s dropped down another tier for me, I’d definitely prefer Romero or Billingsley at this point once you factor in the shoulder surgery. Carpenter, Buchholz and Latos belong, though, just didn’t feel the need to mention absolutely everyone.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 16, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
As to my being illiterate enough to miss 33% of the names I listed, I wish I had an excuse!
As to the point that you were making about not listing everyone, that’s sort of what I was (apparently quite poorly) getting at in terms of people getting worked up when a list excludes a name or two.
by realitypolice on Sep 16, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, because he’d get slaughtered in those divisions…it must the amazingly terrible NL West that gave him these numbers. He’d go from a sub 3 ERA, low 3s FIP, and mid k/9 inning to 4 ERA, 4 FIP, and about 8 k/9, right?
Jesus that notion pisses me off.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
His xFIP's already close enough to 4.
Hard not to beat your xFIP when 60% of your starts are in LA, SD, and SF though.
Pitchers with a worse xFIP than Clayton Kershaw's 3.77, which is 15th best in the league among SP
I’ll call it the More Overrated Than Clayton List
David Price 4.02
Clay Buchholz 4.23
Trevor Cahill 4.26
Matt Cain 4.24
Zach Grienke 3.78
CC Sabathia 3.82
Justin Verlander 3.89
Tommy Hanson 4.11
Matt Garza 4.51
Here’s a couple guys who are right around Kershaw
Ricky Romero 3.77
Chris Carpenter 3.74
Ublado Jiminez 3.73
You should really put xFIP into context before you just throw around a number. Being tied for the 15th best xFIP among qualified starters is actually a feather in his cap.
"This has got to hurt"
I don't want to mince words but the "More Overrated Than Clayton List"?
Bit of an exxageration.
Doug Fister has a better xFIP than Jon Sanchez, Matt Cain, Trevor Cahill, Phil Hughes, Johnny Cueto, Johan Santana, and Matt Garza – but I wouldn’t call him better than any of those guys.
by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 16, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
nice
one guy having a great season… nice
it's simple
Kershaw overrated because xFIP of 3.77, Guys people adore and never get xFIP listed a reason they are overrated like Price, Grienke, Buchholz, Hanson, Sabathia xFIP’s > 3.77 = more overrated. Especially David Price, how could he win a Cy Young with a xFIP over 4
"This has got to hurt"
Maybe I'm just so out of tune with mainstream media that I don't consider those guys overrated.
I just don’t pay any attention to ERA anymore, so other than knowing that CC Sabathia is actually being considered for the Cy Young, I don’t personally consider them rated. In my mind they are perfectly rated as being what they are, but I don’t know what the rest of the world thinks. Although I’ve heard so many writers say that CC will win the Cy Young “but shouldn’t” so even then I would say that the more we talk about xFIP the more these “overrated” pitchers eventually become “underrated” because I’d still rather have Greinke or Hanson than many of the guys listed ahead of them in xFIP.
by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 17, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of it is that people treat xFIP or FIP like it’s an underlying skill level, when it’s just like any other stat that is capable of fluctuating year after year. It also seems (this is not supported by anything other than observation) that pitchers with plus velocity tend to be underrated by FIP and xFIP, perhaps due to the fact that the contact that they do allow tends to be worse than the contact that softer-throwing pitchers allow.
on the opposite end
soft tossers who located their pitches better than the average player and induce weak contact are underrated as well. Someone like Buehrle, for instance. I don’t know if this is true, but high Velo correlates well with strikeouts, both correlate well with high FB%, etc. etc. Don’t know what I’m trying to get at, maybe just that there are a lot of factors that are weak about FIP.
by Navi's_Navy on Sep 19, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
everyone knows
that xFIP rewards pitchers with low Fly ball rates are rewarded by xFIP
"This has got to hurt"
Which actually
makes Kershaws 15th best xFIP look even better with his high fly ball rate.
"This has got to hurt"
How does it make it look "better"?
All xFIP does is equalize HR/FB rates. There is no way for a ground ball to leave the park which is why ground ball pitchers tend to have lower xFIPs.
Kershaw is having a very impressive season and a 3.77 xFIP is excellent, but there is absolutely no reason to give him an additional bump for being a fly ball pitcher.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Matt Lollis
After giving the Tin Caps a stellar start in their losing playoff series, Lollis got a promotion to Elsinore for their playoff series. And, for the third straight league this year, he was pretty solid, despite a ninth-inning meltdown by the Storm’s reliable-all-season closer Brad Brach. Lollis goes 5.1 IP, 6H, 1ER, 1BB, 7K. He finishes the year with a combined ERA under 2, a 4/1 K/BB and 3 homers surrendered in 100 innings of work. He turned 20 on Saturday.
Mike Trout
2 HR tonight for Rancho
Usually I agree but Arcia could probably hit a bounced pitch out of the park right now. -KBR
Freeman with his first MLB bomb tonight
Off Roy Boy, no less. I hope the Philly fans coughed it up.
yankees to call up montero, brackman, betances...
…not as active, but to sit and watch on the bench, travel and work out with the big club everyday.
obviously not monumental news, but i do think its interesting the yankee brass feels that good about betances to view him as such, . obviously his prospect stock has risen this year quite a bit, but he’s a tough one to properly say just how real he really is. i like it that the yanks see him in a positive light.
0-4 with 2 strikeouts for Halman in his debut today
I suppose the new standard for free swinging callups is that recently set by Carter. So, if Halman gets a hit any time in his first 33 at bats I guess that would put him ahead of the curve.
something I doubted would ever happen
Mark Rogers was Milwaukee’s starting pitcher tonight. What a story.
Rogers and Jeffress combined for 5 IP and 6 K. Not something I would have expected to happen in the bigs this year.
they did a pretty good job
Rogers really struggled to throw strikes early, but it’s all about repeating the mechanics for him. Stuff is easily frontline starter good, and love the competitiveness he shows on the mound. Some may want to convert him quickly to the pen, I wouldn’t be quite so fast to do that. I think spending some time getting some quality coaching and just building muscle memory could do wonders for him . . .how many guys would be consistent with their mechanics after basically taking two years off?
Jeffress I’d keep in the pen for all the obvious reasons.
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