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by JD Sussman on Sep 1, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Matt Magill
6 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 6 Ks, 1 Hr allowed
126 IP, 87 H, 135 Ks on the season as a 20 year old in low A
Jesus Montero
2/3 with a homer, still in the top of the 6th
-1 and only member of the Nick Weglarz fan club!
Wil Myers
1/2 with 2 BB
-1 and only member of the Nick Weglarz fan club!
so boring
the girls find his monotonous lifestyle charming
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Brett Jackson
1/3 with a 3-run homer
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nice
he’s slowed down a tad … but he’s had an extremely long year, and this is his first full season of pro ball. If he has issues next year, then I’d be more concerned.
yeah
He seems to really have worn down. Cubs are sending him to the AFL, which kind of worries me, but hey, it’s their prospect. They know what they’re doing.
He still has pretty good numbers for his age, position, etc. Just not as good as they were a month ago
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The Cubs...
know what they’re doing?
by anjichpa on Sep 1, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
errr
No comment?
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With RHPs...usually
With everything else, it’s pretty much a crapshoot.
by Outshined_One on Sep 2, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Very, very nice. Don’t give up on him yet.
by limozeen on Sep 1, 2010 11:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'm apparently the only Royals fan who hasn't
and then there’s this.
conorglassey: Former BA intern Matt Forman saw #Royals RHP Aaron Crow strike out 13 tonight in Wilmington. Said he was 95-98 w/ nasty 86-88 slider
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uy
Not sure why anyone would give up on him, especially Royals fans. Its his first full year.
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He's not pitching in the AFL is he?
Kind of wish he was to see if his stuff stays that good.
correct
he’s not pitching in the AFL. i’d like to see what pitch f/x says about his stuff too, but he’s really thrown a lot of innings this year.
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Not a Royals
fan but I do have hope for him. He is a bit old and I am feeling his time to prove himself at higher levels is running out.
This comment shows a lack of understanding for how pitchers develop.
Crow has plenty of time.
was sickels going to the NWA game tonight?
If so, turns out it was PPD. Yikes… that’s awful.
kyle seager
A guy I hadn’t heard much about this year, but Callis hyped him up in a chat today:
“Not a potential star, but he’s one of the best second-base prospects in the minors”
Big numbers playing for HD, but his home/road splits are nearly equal.
Profile: http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=2B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=572122
Any thoughts on him?
A lot of people consider him as a bat first Utility player
more of a doubles guy than homerun hitter. Glove is average at best at second and doesnt have the bat for third. I love him though
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by Marinerfanjake on Sep 2, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Alberto Cabrera
After a hot start in Daytona, got bumped up to Tennessee, where he struggled. There were reports that he was slowly turning the corner, but he was sent back to A+, where the 21 year old (almost 22) has been solid back at A+ again, and will likely give AA a go again next year.
Anyhow, started g1 of the dh against Clearwater, throwing 7 shutout, 5 H, 6 K, 11:4 GO/FO. Mid-90’s fb with some life, good slider.
Kyle Russell
getting used to AA…
3/3 with 2 hr.
Rays SP Joe Cruz
6 IP – 3 H – 0 R – 0 ER – 2 BB – 10 K (8:0 GO:FO)
pretty good I’d say.
season stats now
141 IP – 133 H – 6 HR – 38 BB – 128 K with approximately a 45% GB rate
since May 1st
119 IP – 115 H – 3 HR – 27 BB – 111 K
Not saying he is a top 100 guy, but kid has put together a pretty great season in A+ Charlote.
I like him somewhat
but i think he gets overshadowed by all the Rays talent in their farm…..could he be trade bait?
someone like Cobb or Torres are more likely trade bait because they are similar level (maybe slightly higher) and closer.
but yes, he could be trade bait
Freeman made his MLB debut
0-3 with a SO
Hit one hard up the middle and another hard the other way (in the normal hole between the 3B and SS) but the Mets had a shift on that worked out real well.
shift
I do think that ball would have been directly at the SS fwiw.
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Not even close
Just went back and watched it again to make sure, but the catch was made at about the depth of the second base bag about 60 feet towards the 3B line. It was closer to third than second. Wright was lined up way closer to 3B than any SS would ever play and he still barely got it.
BS
Freeman is so amazing that without that cowardly shift he would have hit it THROUGH the shortstop.
heh
Kind of scary when a team knows to put a heavy shift on a guy when he’s making his major league debut . . .and he still hits into the shift!
it wasn't that heavy
SS just left of the 2B bag, 3B, as Nixa says, just left of SS
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He did seem to try to hit away from the shift
But yeah I was surprised they were already putting a shift on him.
Trevor May
6 Innings, 4 Hits, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K’s
In a 14-2 win, that clinched the 2nd half SAL Northern title. They’re now 80-54 and won both the 1st half & 2nd half Northern titles. Looking to repeat in the playoffs again.
Oh and Jonathan Singleton went 1-2, 2B, 4 RBI, & 2 BB
garrett gould
hasnt been as good as i thought he was gonna be..
5 ip, 4 h, 2 r, 1 er, 1 bb, 5 ks… 7:3 GO:FO
on the season 53 IP, 58 H, 20 BB, 45 Ks. 3 Hr allowed 1.36 Go/FO in the offensive fueled pioneer league
Brandon Allen crushed a grand slam
Also added an excellent defensive play jumping into the fence.
Starting LF for the snakes next season?
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
Chapman hit 103.8 and 103.9 on Pitch f/x...completely insane
Oh, he also had a 1-2-3 inning with 2 Ks and picked up his first MLB win
The move to the pen is looking brilliant for this year so far.
by limozeen on Sep 1, 2010 11:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
See who pitched for Brewers?
Jeremy Jeffress!
1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 0K
Pitch F/X;
11 pitches, 7 strikes, fastest at 97.7
by Jersey Transplant on Sep 1, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Smokin'
97.7? Thats it? Almost seems slow now doesn’t it? Kid has a great arm too and had been left for dead by us prospecteers.
Spark one uo Jeffress! You made it!
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obviously I have sparked up a few too many in this lifetime lol
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Lorenzo Cain
has to be making the Brewers wonder why they deal JJ Hardy for Carlos Gomez when they could of hand say… a nice A+/ AA pitcher to work with instead of Gomez….maybe
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Mitch Moreland has homered in back to back games for Rangers
5 dingers in 25 games, .474 SLG, .830 OPS.
Legitimate shot at being the starting 1B for the Rangers heading into 2011?
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Yeah, he's got a shot
though I’m sure they’ll be exploring better options as well.
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I think so
Other than Chris Davis (we’re just not going there again) there isn’t any other internal option. And, although there will be more bucks around, if they spend on Lee they won’t also spend big bucks for a free agent 1b, especially with catching a more pressing need. So, I don’t really see anyone seriously standing in his way at the start of 2011, even if it is questionable whether he is a long term solution.
on that note. . .
Moustakas went deep again, 14th In Omaha, 35th Overall. Not questioning Belt though, either one deserve the award.
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Best power bat in the minors?
Now just get his plate discipline atleast average and he will be scary.
Seems like a much closer race than usual
There’s 5-10 guys that are legit POY candidates.
Jeremy Hefner
Apparently, Hefner appreciated John’s recognition the other day.
Tonight’s line:
7IP 6H 1R 1BB 9K
funny tweet from Adam Foster:
Net 2010 Top 100 value to date: AOL – $47.4 M, PP – $41.2 M, ESPN – $25.9 M, BA – $25.7 M, BP – $9.3 M
Obviously, prospect lists aren’t made or broke in the year after they’re made, and lists that favor upside over floor are disadvantaged using this method of evaluation (not exactly a surprise), but still, this shows two things:
1) It’s really, really hard to make a crappy prospects rankings list, at least in the short term.
2) If you want advice on making a crappy prospects rankings list, go ask Kevin Goldstein.
inherent bias
Because they are rating towards value and KG and BA aren’t.
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by JD Sussman on Sep 2, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To add
Just to be clear, that doesn’t mean that ranking for value is wrong, bad, or any other negative adjective, its just a different philosophy.
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What is that supposed to mean?
How else would you measure a prospect except by trying to predict his potential future value?
Value is relative of course (and there is a symantic problem)
If list A has 10 players ranked, and the total value of those players is 20 million and list B has 10 players ranked, and the total value is 20 million.
Which list is better? Obviously we have no idea.
What about if I tell you of that list A has 9 players in the major leagues, and list B has just one, the rest are in AA. Which list is better now?
What if we had a third list, C, that has zero players of present value, but has 10 players in AAA that have yet made it to the MLB. Is that list worse than A and/or B?
Foster is presenting the present value not future value of these lists. Note that he says 2010 value. I would argue, as would most that YOU are right*, the aim is to predict future value, but that is not what is demonstrated here. PP’s aimed at players with high floor & close to the majors, therefore the 2010 value will be higher than most other lists (but that does not mean that they would have a poor or good future value, that is not involved in this equation).
Additionally…. We are talking about net value so this is my assumption: If one was to subtract all of the common players from each of these lists (heyward, strasburg, leake, stanton, morrison, etc.) and just have the unique players left (or some deviation of that). So if one list has say, 15 unique names as compared to 10 for the rest of lists, they have an inherent advantage when it is time to judge how those unique players stack up against one anthother in terms of net value. In addition to that advantage, PP’s inherent ranking their uniques makes them more likely to contribute to there 2010 value, and thus a greater net value for the year.
Lastly, value is relative. As I said in our chat the other day, a prospect’s value to KC is much greater than it is to NYY. On top of that though, a prospect that projects to be a major league contributor (lets say 1.5 WAR) but not league average or a star, is also far more valuable KC than to NYY. NYY doesn’t start players below 2 WAR as Satchel mentions on BtB. Even a 3 WAR projected prospect would be far more valuable to KC than he would to the Yankees given the finances and organizational depth involved.
One could argue that in terms of trade value, they are all the same. That is, a given top 50 prospect, within a bubble, is equally valuable for trading purposes. Though, I argue that we cannot look at this in a bubble. Because small market teams (KC just being an example team in prior scenarios), if managed correctly, should not trade a prospect due to financial constraints, unless there is a situation where it benefits them (i.e. blocked prospect, pennant race).
I hope the latter part of this is clear, but the beginning stuff should be very clear.
*I personally make my lists based on players who aren’t valuable, but who have a chance of being an above average or better major leaguer. At this point in time, anything worst than that can be more easily replaced through FA, whereas above average or better players cannot (and they are the ones who win championships).
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by JD Sussman on Sep 2, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Good post.
I really don’t see any point at all in rating the present value of a 2010 prospect list. A present value might be more useful in evaluating a 2006 list, or some other past list, I guess. Just one small data point if your goal is to evaluate a top 100 list.
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It's not that BA/KG are ignoring value
It’s that PP ranks on safety and they tend to be guys that are just about major league ready.
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right, I said that
lists that favor upside over floor are disadvantaged using this method of evaluation
You just spelled it out in more specific terms than I did . . .I thought about writing more, but it was late and I was tired. :)
I’ve been doing a lot of thinking lately, and honestly, I’m not sure how much value “high floor” really has unless A) the player in question is at a high level of the minors (preferably AAA, but at least AA) and B) we’re talking about the short term. Time and time again, we’ve seen “high floor” players (especially pitchers) enter the majors and have a good run of initial success, only to get dragged down by the same things that affect players with lower floors and higher ceilings. High floor/low ceiling players also seem to have more difficulty at regaining their previous levels of performance once they’ve fallen off . . .Brian Bannister jumps to mind. And yeah, I know that Bannister doesn’t miss bats. He was still thought to be a guy who could pitch comfortably at a No. 4 starter level for at least a few years after his rookie season.
In other words, I’d be much more interested in seeing a long-term evaluation (3-5 years) of rankings. I still don’t expect BP to do that well relatively speaking (who has KG hit on that others haven’t other than taking an early flier on Neftali Feliz?), but I would think most of the other guys would be pretty close. Yet more reason why you REALLY shouldn’t read too much into the analysis of a bunch of glorified reports, heh, or as I like to say, “I like them for what they can give me, not for what they can tell me.”
agree
see the treastie above.
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Not with a bang but a whimper
Not deserving of its own thread, but the Padres today DFA’d 2005 first-rounder Cesar Carrillo, putting a cap on a horrendously bad 2010. When he came out of The U, the consensus was that while his ceiling wasn’t as high as some other guys, he was likely to move quickly. He was solid in AA in 2006, but hurt his elbow in his first start with Portland that summer. The club – as was their custom for some time – wasted the better part of nine months before finally he went under the knife for TJ. Since coming back in June 2008, he’s been an unmitigated disaster.
His final line for 2010 is 5-14 with a 5.60 ERA and 95/57 in 151 IP.
Presumably, he will go unclaimed and then he’ll have a decision about going the 6-yr free agency route this winter. Regardless, it’s pretty hard to imagine a baseball future that’s anything other than struggling to hang on as a minor league roster filler.
Yuneski Maya for Syracuse
5.2IP, 6H, 1ER, 2BB, 3K, WP; 98 pitches, 62 strikes; 9 groundouts, 3 flyouts
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.
Aaron Hicks
3-4 , SO , BB
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 3:46 AM EDT reply actions
Ben Revere
3-4, BB , 3B , SB(35) , Error(4)
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 3:47 AM EDT reply actions
Another
Favorite of mine. I like him hitting ahead of Mauer and Morneau for years to come.
Joe Benson
2-5, SB(19)
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 3:48 AM EDT reply actions
Liam Hendriks (FSL)
5.0 IP , 2 H , 0 ER , 4 SO
zero walks
One of the best pitchers in A ball and lower right now?
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 3:50 AM EDT reply actions
Loving this kid
I have high hopes for him and he is still very young.
Anyone think he can crack a top 100 list?
OF Nathan Roberts
back in lineup… after missing quite a bit of time
2-3 2 2B, , 2 BB , 0 SO
can’t wait to see what he does in Midwest League/ FSL in 2011
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 3:52 AM EDT reply actions
Oswaldo Arcia
0-2, 2BB , 1 SO
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 3:52 AM EDT reply actions
heres an interesting one
AAA OF Brandon Roberts 2-5
now batting .336 in the International League and
.328/.410/418 line overall with a .828 OPS
not really a prospect but kinda surprised he wasn’t a Sept. Call-Up with Jason Repko seeing so many AB’s for INJURY depleted Twins team.
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 3:55 AM EDT reply actions
Good Night all
just got done doin the girlfriend and running through the Rain for a couple hrs. to get back to my bed ‘cause i gotta work in the morning (in like 3 hrs. …yikes)
so sorry if i’m delirious
sleep
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Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Scouting video of the girl is definately needed.
This is the reason for the double question marks after the Congrats. I mean, it’s good he put forth the effort and gave it his best shot; we just don’t know the results. Results being the gal.
by Kyleb_82 on Sep 2, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A bit of data most people missed about Brett Wallace
He gets hit by pitches. A lot. He crowds the plate and the book on him is to work inside, plus he’s a pretty big target in the batter’s box.
People look at his minor league walk rate and compare it to his college walk rate and wonder why he isn’t showing as much patience. Could this have something to do with it?
In his minor league career, he got hit by pitches 39 times. That’s nearly half again as many times as he walked. His BB + HBP rate rises to 10.5% from his 7.3% walk rate.
Compare this to, for instance, Justin Smoak; He was hit only 7 times his minor league career, which is just 5% of his walk rate.
The question is whether this translates to ML pitching—so far, it has, albeit in a very small sample size. Wallace has already been hit by pitches 7 times in 94 plate appearances. His walk rate is only 5.3% but his OBP is over .100 points higher than his batting average.
I don’t think it will continue to be this drastic, but I think his OBP may consistently be higher than you’d expect given his walk rate.
Ugh
I know there isnt alot of hype about him but I have been seeing his name surface lately….
I don’t think he will amount to anything, he might have the tools but he has a lot to fill out supposedly
Too early to tell
This is only the 2nd year of playing full time in the field, he was drafted as a pitcher.
The Phils org loves the kid, because he’s supposedly one of the hardest workers and seems to understand what he needs to do to develop. He could honestly turn into Heyward/Dom Brown lite or he could as you say not amount to anything. Although that does describe about 25% of prospects.
seems like a lot of hype around him given what he is
From looking at the pictures that I’ve seen of him, I’m not sure how much he’s really going to fill out. He’s certainly lanky and athletic. . .but a lot of lanky guys stay that way, it’s just how their genetics work. My personal guess is that he adds some lean muscle as he gets older but that his biggest gains in power production will be realized through mental rather than physical development.
James Jones!

3 for 6 last night with a homer and a triple, plus a stolen base. Look for him on a hot sheet near you.
in the "let's see our Mariners fans try to spin THIS one" category
We now know why Mariners brass weren’t worried about Josh Lueke’s shady past when they acquired him.
They didn’t know about Josh Lueke’s shady past.
Also fits nicely into the “at least my team’s GM didn’t do THAT” category.
that's not what that article says
The article states that they DID know about his legal history. I don’t see how that info is much different than what was written the day after the trade: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2012321497_lueke10.html
really?
But Mariners executives insisted they knew nothing before the July 9 trade about the 25-year-old minor-leaguer facing felony charges in a rape and sodomy case in which he later pleaded no contest to a lesser charge.
Zduriencik said he’d asked the Rangers’ Daniels before the trade why Lueke had pitched in only four games in 2009 and had been on the team’s suspended list.
Zduriencik said he was told there had been an incident at a bar involving the woman and a third party and that Lueke had been “acquitted.” “So, at that point, we took their word for it,” said Zduriencik
“I asked Jack, ‘Have you checked this out?’ " Armstrong said. "And he said, ‘Yes, I talked to Jon Daniels and he told me that this was an incident in a bar in Bakersfield … ’ And Jack said he [Daniels] told him that Lueke had been acquitted, or exonerated. And I said, ’So, it’s over? No big deal?’ He said, ‘No big deal.’ "
Some teams do Google, Facebook and background searches on prospects. The Mariners didn’t do a Web search, which would have flagged Lueke’s case.
When asked why, Zduriencik replied: “In all the deals I’ve been in all the years, I can’t remember anybody saying ’I’m running a Google [search]’ to figure out what a player’s done.”
He added: “That is our policy now. We are doing that. We have done that since that moment.”
It seems obvious to me
that someone in the front office must have know and just hoped it wouldn’t be a big deal or become widely known. Now they’re scrambling trying to cover their asses. Jeff Sullivan has a good summary of the whole deal based on that article.
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Of course they knew.
Acting like it’s a surprise now is only a way of covering their asses when it comes to the Seattle sports moms who want to take their kids to a ‘wholesome’ game.
Everyone on the internet knew about Lueke’s past immediately upon the trade. Don’t look me in the face, Jackie Z, and tell me you didn’t.
Damn
What scumbag.
“I understand that my actions hurt you and made you feel violated and I’m sorry for that,” Lueke read.
What kind of a dipshit apology is that? I’m sorry that you feel violated? How about apologizing for your behavior, a-hole?
I also like how he says he’s a good person. Yeah, you keep dreaming, douchebag.














