Milb for August 26th, 2010
by casejud on Aug 26, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
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PrintLooks like a nice day for pitchers. Well, maybe it just seems like that when Micheal Pineda is pitching but, there are a few other good ones going. I can't believe how close the minor league regular season is to the end - like a couple weeks. Enjoy the day to day threads while they last.
AAA - Dave Bromberg, Chris Tillman, Jaff Samardzija, "Kid Sensation" Jordan Lyles, Mr Pineda, Henry "Kaiser" Sosa
AA - Rudy Owens, Chris Archer (8-1, 1.45), Anthony Capra, Johnny "Rack Of" Lamb, Trevor "Day Of" Reckling,
A+, A, etc - Jacob Turner, Brad Holt v Tim Alderson in a battle of fallen prospects, Brad "Slow" Hand, Matt "Beg For" Moore ; gonna go ahead and predict a no-hitter today for Moore- 2nd game of DH, only needs 7 innings, and he's awesome, Graham Stoneburner, Maikel Cleto, Ian Krol, Robbie Ross v Garrett Richards
Take it easy. Enjoy watching, listening, and tapping the keyboard. Play nice ya'll or, try at least.
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One more pitcher to throw up there-
Mike Foltynewicz is going today for Greeneville. He’s coming off a very good start, hopefully that continues today
Hector Rondon
Underwent TJ today
Usually I agree but Arcia could probably hit a bounced pitch out of the park right now. -KBR
Catastrophic Fall
Almost certainly will be relegated to the bullpen when he returns. Didn’t have the time to develop his secondary offerings, and he’ll be burning another year of options. I had really high hopes.
Why is he just now undergoing surgery?
He’s been out for a couple of months right?
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Tyrell Jenkins
One of the Cards 1S picks in this year draft is making his debut for the Johnson City affiliate.
Jeff Samardzija is still alive?
Talk about a freaking disappointment.
And who cares about Henry Sosa at this point, he’s been getting absolutely shelled all year long.
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Who cares about Henry Sosa?
His loving family of course. Also God.
by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I also care, a does my Pal KBR obviously. That 4.00 ERA in the PCL is quite a “shelling” by the way.
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I don't care about his ERA
I see a 6.02 FIP. That’s called getting shelled, and then getting lucky.
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by Satchel Price on Aug 27, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't high on Sosa coming into the year and he hasn't impressed me
I didn’t have him as a top 30 prospect for the Giants coming into the year
Buster Posey>
by Gobroks on Aug 26, 2010 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's actually been pretty good in AAA as a starter this year
He has 32 appearances on the year. 12 of those appearances are starts.
As a reliever his line is : 30.1 IP 26 K 4.45 ERA and he is 4-1
As a starter : 64.1 IP 60 K 2.52 ERA and he is 6-1
I’m not saying he’s definitely going to pan out, but I think he is a much better pitcher as a starter than as a reliever. About a month ago Pinella made a comment to the effect that we would be seeing him on the big club at some point this season. He’s only 25.
by Arlo Brunsberg's Swing on Aug 26, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Samardzija
Those are Jeff’s numbers I posted above…just realized I didn’t specify
by Arlo Brunsberg's Swing on Aug 26, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem
my bad as well. Also kinda coincedental that Sosa has split time in AAA as reliever and a starter as well AND is 25 !
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you're making me look worse here man
LOL, kidding of course
To anwser your question above, the Sosa they are talking about is indeed Giants property. He is currently pitching for the Grizzlies.
by Arlo Brunsberg's Swing on Aug 26, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair to Jeff
the Cubs didn’t do him any favors by rushing him. He was raw, and they didn’t really develop him. Heck, it’s only this year that he’s developed a solid 2nd offering, with the cutter (off the top … I think it’s a cutter, maybe a slider).
I heard it was a cutter
And it certainly has substantially helped his results. Maybe this kid will contribute in the rotation after all. He certainly would not be the first pitcher to learn a new pitch and take off.
I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be disappointed
He’s pretty much been exactly what any outsider expected him to be… a so-so reliever who the Cubs screwed up because of a stupid contract.
by realitypolice on Aug 27, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That's deep
. . . good analysis :)
He is though. I’m not denying this.
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I don't like posting lines before the game's done...
but that’s a pretty impressive first 3 innings.
At his best he's as good as any pitching prospect in the minors...
the obvious red flag is that he’s been horrible in the first half of both ’09 and ’10. That will hurt him.
I'm thinking yes.
He’s on my shortest short list the way he’s going.
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Since May 28th....
This encompasses 16 starts:
96.1 IP, 61 H, 24 ER, 31 BB, 139 K
That’s a 2.26 ERA, 0.96 WHIP, and a 13.1 K/9
He HAS to be considered for the top 20.
From last year's list
If you remove grads, he is easily top 20. easily.
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I mean... if it wasn't FSL I would have him in the conversation for best pitching prospect in the game.
Obviously FSL helps a ton… but great stuff, great velo for a LHP, great results. His control still isn’t great, but his secondary pitches supposedly have improved some even( or so its been mentioned around here). Kershaw-esque?
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Kind of how I feel. He has nothing left to prove there – I’d like to see him moved up to aa WHILE he has his shizzle going just to see how whatever he’s got now will play against AA hitters.
I’m afraid if it doesn’t happen now, we’ll be back to watching his Wild Thing impression in the spring, and will just be kept in suspense. Let him get a taste now, while he has the feel for his pitches.
Not to mention
A to AA is probably the biggest jump a pitcher can make in the minors. I’ve seen way too many guys dominate high A only to get schooled in AA.
Top 20
If Matt Moore isn’t in your top 20 right now your top 20 is wrong.
Jason Castro
2-4 with a double.
His LD% in the majors is 20%, yet his BABIP is .234. Using a rough formula I found here, his BABIP should be around .320. This is the last day he can be considered a prospect (130 MLB AB), so I figured this might be a good time to ask if people agree he’s been really unlucky, or if there is something more to it. I am definitely not an expert when it comes to the LD% and BABIP relationship for hitters.
Having watched just about all of those at bats...
He consistently puts good wood on the ball. I think there is quite a bit of bad luck at hand, for instance that fly ball that Roy Oswalt caught in LF in the 16 inning game I thought was a sure double when it came off of the bat, but it just went straight at Roy. I think that Castro is capable of hitting around .280-.290 consistently in the majors, with 10 HR power.
Yes, Roy Oswalt was in LF
He came in I believe the 15th inning. Howard was ejected from the game, so Ibanez slid over to first base. The Phillies had used all of their bench players so Roy was their best option.
Definitely been unlucky...
… but in the same respect, I think many were too high on him.
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If you wanna calculate a BABIP generally should be for a hitter given a series of statistics, use THT's xBABIP calculator
It takes a bunch of different numbers, along with league and park factors, and determines what a player’s expected BABIP, or xBABIP, would be.
They have his xBABIP at .313 so far, and generally speaking I think it’s more accurate than simply using LD%, which is included in the xBABIP formula.
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by Satchel Price on Aug 27, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
ok
but .313 vs .320 is pretty close compared to his actual .234 BABIP
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 27, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
this is why I dislike BABIP so much.
It completely discounts how the hitter is doing at the plate and categorizes it as luck or unlucky when it’s not remotely that simple. Its quite possible a player has a high BABIP because he has a good approach at the plate, isn’t swinging at crap and is hitting the ball hard. Conversely, if a player is swinging at everything and hitting weak dribblers because they are swinging at bad pitches, then of course his BABIP is going to be low.
Having watched a lot of Astros games, right now Castro is overmatched and those “Line Drives” are pretty much mediocre hit balls at best. Luck has little to do with it when you’re not hitting the ball hard and are swinging at pitchers pitches.
by Looney4baseball on Aug 27, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
BABIP is useful
It must be taken into context with batted ball data and other factors, and yes, there is a lot of variation from hitter to hitter. But at the same time, we know that it falls within certain bounds in the long term, and we have a good idea of what contributes to it and how to project BABIP for individual hitters. Your “laugh off the data” approach is silly.
Any line drive is not going to be a “mediocre hit ball at best”. If it was, it wouldn’t be a liner. Hitting a frozen rope means you squared up the ball. Even if the exit velocity isn’t particularly high, more of them should be dropping in for Castro than has happened.
I watch every Astros game, and I don’t see him as being overmatched. There’s a tendency for baseball fans to exhibit confirmation bias when a player isn’t hitting well, and I think that’s what you’re doing here.
Where exactly did I "laugh off the data"?
I simply stated that I dislike BABIP a lot because it completely discounts how the hitter is doing at the plate, which it pretty much does. Having to take a stat into context with batted ball data and other factors pretty much helps to confirm why I dislike it so much and why it is not a real good stat. A few in here seem to rely on it like it is some great equalizer and explains all when it doesnt. Just taking someone’s BABIP and factoring them at or around league average because of luck isn’t very accurate at all because of the variation and other factors.
I didnt say that any line drive is going to be a “mediocre hit ball at best:”. I said Castro has been hitting a majority of line drives that could be classified as a mediocre hit ball at best. It happens less in the majors, but in the minors the LD and flyball rates are extremely suspect in accuracy. Not all line drives are “frozen ropes” or even very well hit.
I haven’t seen much from Castro in my mind that leads me to believe he’s been very unlucky. Overmatched yes. I’m not an Astros fan and don’t have him in any of my fantasy leagues, so I dont know why I would be biased because I see him as overmatched at the late so far.
by Looney4baseball on Aug 28, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
why do you watch
nearly every Astros game then? Seems odd.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 28, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I said I watched a lot of Astros games,
not nearly every one. I usualy flip back and forth for a few innings and try to catch the players I do have on the Astros, Wallace and Lee. When I see Castro, I see a player that is striking out more than he ever has (21.7%) and flying out often (41%), thereby helping to form my view that he’s overmatched at the plate right now. His LD rate of 20% is about average for him, having rates from11 to 23% in his career. Looking at the LD rates, his best batting average (.304) came when his LD rate was the lowest (11%). His highest LD rate (23%) resulted in a .293 batting average. There’s nothing in his stats that remotely suggests a higher LD rate means a higher batting average.
People sometimes assume that formulas can explain away everything, even luck and that just isnt the case. Its not to say that Castro won’t improve or become comfortable at the plate, but right now IMO he is just overmatched at the plate.
by Looney4baseball on Aug 29, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
well
I agree that LD rate might tell us less than observation, but OremLK probably watches every game, and doesn’t think he looks overmatched, and thinks he is hitting the ball hard. He is probably going to be more optimistic than a perfectly unbiased observer, but the underlying stats certainly support OremLK’s observations moreso than yours.
Those stats might be severely misleading though, but with only 2 observers that see things totally differently, I tend to lead toward the one who’s observing the same thing the underlying stats would suggest (Orem in the case), instead of the one who’s observing something more in line with just his actually batting average, but something the underlying stats don’t support.
So basically, we need more observers. But until we get more, I’m going to assume he hitting the ball hard as the LD% suggests, and that he isn’t overmatched, as the BB% and still reasonable (though slightly inflated) K% suggests. Time has a way of sorting this stuff out.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 29, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
no problem, but...
how exactly do the underlying stats support Orem’s observations moreso than mine? Castro is striking out more and walking less than he was in the minors every year but half of 2009 in AA. Granted it’s roughly only 1-3% less walks and he’s still walking 10% of the time, but when you’re overmatched and looking for a pitch and get a different pitch, you’re less likely to swing at it, hence a decent walk rate when the pitches are balls and more K’s when the pitches are strikes. When you’re hitting .190+/- after 150 plate appearances, its more than a matter of luck IMO. From his minor league career, his LD rate has very little to do with his average or BABIP. His BABIP this month is .268 but he’s still hitting .200 for the month with a LD rate of 22%. In June his BABIP was .312 with a 18% LD rate and his average was .231. His LD rate just doesn’t seem to have much correlation to his BABIP as it translates to batting average.
From what I’ve seen, likely 80-90+ at bats, he’s looked overmatched more than he’s looked comfortable at the plate. He’s been better of late but I just don’t see him as unlucky right now. I can see him working to make adjustments and I expect he will start hitting better after the rosters expand on Sept 1. Just a hunch.
by Looney4baseball on Aug 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
20%+ LDs and a high flyball rate are proof that a guy is hitting the ball hard...
not the opposite. Of course he’s striking out more and walking less. He’s in the flippin’ majors.
Nothing about his line says “overmatched” other than the fluky average and a lack of pop (which should be expected looking at his minor league lines).
20% + LDs and a high flyball rate means
that the guy has an uppercut swing or is getting under the ball, not that he is necessarily hitting the ball hard. Why does everyone see a 20% LD rate and automatically think that the ball is being hit hard? A weakly lined ball to the 2B is a LD but isn’t a well hit ball. A guy with a lack of pop shouldn’t be hitting 20% line drives and 40% fly balls because he’s not going to hit them over the fence and most of them will be caught. He’s hitting more line drives and flyballs than Carlos Lee and Hunter Pence without the power and people think it’s luck why he is hitting under .200? He’s striking out more and walking less of course because he’s in the majors, where he’s seeing better pitchers and being overmatched more, though he’s looking to be more comfortable at the plate of late. Chalk it up to luck, that’s a better explanation.
by Looney4baseball on Aug 29, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you're just being argumentative.
A line drive is a ball that is squared up well with the bat. They are hit hard, and are significantly more likely to drop for a hit. What you’re suggesting, that a guy will consistently hit “soft” line drives, is (not surprisingly) something that we haven’t seen in the major leagues.
Just because I disagree
doesn’t mean I’m being argumentative. A dissenting viewpoint can be just that without being rude or creating an argument, which I haven’t really done either here. I was just giving my opinion based on what I’ve seen of Castro, which may go against what people see out of him and what they take as gospel out of the stats.
You’re categorizing all line drives as ones squared up well with the bat and hit hard when that is not always the case. I wasn’t suggesting that he was consistently hitting soft line drives, but from what I saw of him maybe 25-30% of the line drives were hit softly, to the point where almost all were not going to be hits no matter who hit them. Others were routine line drives within 2-3 steps of the fielder. Again, those are not going to be hits unless the fielder is playing out of position. Unless “luck” is that he’s going to hit the LD’s 20-30 feet to the left or right, then the majority of what I’ve seen are routine outs.
This is no doubt part of his transition in the majors, but in my mind it doesnt have much to do with luck. I saw his 4 at bats today and he had plenty of luck, IMO. His first at bat he hit a solid line drive to right field that I thought at first should have been caught but went over the RF’s head for a double. I didn’t see the replay so I can’t say for sure whether it should have been caught or not. His next at bat he hit a dribbler for an infield hit. Then he grounded out and struck out swinging. So what would have likely been a 1-4 day (and could have been 0-4) was a 2-4 day.
I don’t dislike Castro nor have any stake in him doing well or poor nor being argumentative for the sake of keeping a thread going. It’s my opinion that he’s been overmatched and other than his first at bat today, he didnt hit the ball hard. To say it’s been luck is oversimplifying it to me.
by Looney4baseball on Aug 29, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the thing about that "lucky" day
…is that his xBABIP would be lower than his actual BABIP for the day.
It seems like most of what is being argued here is whether BABIP or xBABIP is a better indicator of how well a player his hitting the ball. But, you yourself seem to be saying that luck has made his BABIP look different from what it should look like. That is the same thing the rest of us are arguing.
If all his games were like the one you brought up, we’d all be arguing that his BABIP is lucky, and that his stats in general are inflated because of it.
The underlying stats in the case of the game in question support your observations that he didn’t look like a .500 hitter that day. However the underlying stats don’t support your observations about his season on the whole. Your observations may be correct, and Castro is a rare exception. The stats aren’t definitive proof of anything. But they do support OremLK’s argument moreso than yours.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The last sentence should end with...
OremLK’s subjective observations moreso than yours.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yelich
3-5 today. 3rd multi-hit game in 4 Pro games…..looks like he is doing ok
Really like his swing.
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Same
His swing is very very nice. I wish his throwing motion looked better though. Yikes, that arm looks destined for 1B
SP Alexander Wimmers
start #2
3.0 IP – 1 H , 2 BB , 4 SO, 0 runs
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 26, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
walks concerning to anyone?
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 26, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no point getting too worked up over it
A guy’s first stint in the minors is usually more about getting adjusted to the lifestyle than putting up numbers. Plus, with a guy like Wimmers who’s just coming back after a couple months off, some rust is bound to be there.
The rest of this season is really about putting some innings on the arm for next year, so as long as he’s pitching, be happy.
by OldDutchPots on Aug 27, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice
I love Wimmers. I may be slightly bold and put him in my top 50. Probably ahead of any other college pitcher from this draft, for me.
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REALLY?
Ahead of Pomeranz/Sale/Ranaudo?
by realitypolice on Aug 27, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep,
Though Ranaudo could change that soon. Don’t like Sale much. Pomeranz I like, but I’d take Wimmers personally, though it’s close.
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hellickson a perfect inning with 3k in relief for charlotte
him in single a healthy is unfair to those hitters. He has combined with joe cruz 5 perfect with 9 k
Foltynewicz
5 IP, 4 H, 1 R (0 ER), 1 BB, 1 K.
1 K doesn’t look so hot, but the fact that he had TWELVE groundouts to ONE flyout makes it a lot better. He also picked off a runner at 1st, accounting for the 15th out. He’s been fantastic his last 2 starts.
Definitely good
Not quite fantastic without the Ks.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 26, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Though judging from the scouting reports he has the stuff to get plenty of Ks, so I’m not too worried about him just getting one today. I’d assume he heads to Lexington next year and I predict he does very well there.
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2's are wild
2 R 2 H 2 doubles 2 RBI 2 BB
by Arlo Brunsberg's Swing on Aug 26, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying not to pat myself on the back too hard here
But it was clearly evident that this kid was built to hit MLB pitching. You gotta love his approach at the plate.
Watching Lyles pitch
He looks like he’s running out of gas. Might be time to shut him down for the season.
If he can throw four 2 hit innings running out of gas...
He should be pretty damn good when he’s really on.
Walked three, struck out two
But I’m not really referring to the stat line (which is lucky, but not good) so much as my impressions watching him. His command is not what it was a month ago, his fastball isn’t as crisp, and his only off-speed pitch that’s working at all is his changeup, and then erratically. He looked a lot better in the middle of the season, so it makes me wonder if he’s beginning to tire.
Very possible
He’s so young that he’s bound to wear down earlier than most. And I may be wrong but wasn’t one of the walks intentional? Hey, at least Folty pitched great and DDJ had 2 hits.
Unintentional intentional maybe
Pitching around a guy with the pitcher on deck and men on first and second.
Yeah that's what I was referring to
I’d go ahead and shut him down if I was the Astros. Bring him to ST next year and give him a chance to break with the big league club.
I think he should stay until at least June
No reason to waste a year of team control. I agree that he should come to ST though and get a taste of big league hitters. But then go back to AAA for the regular season.
+1
If he’s a Sept call up next year, that’s ok. Anytime before that is too early IMO.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 26, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
In terms of when he's ready
I think he’ll set his own pace. If he’s dominating AAA in July there is no reason to leave him down. But at the same time, wasting an arbitration year, that would be just plain stupid for a non-contending team. Of course, if he’s still struggling at AAA he shouldn’t come up at all.
I forgot about the whole Super Two business
With that in mind, June is the time, I agree. Unless he struggles early of course.
Alex White
So far 7IP, 3 hites, 1 BB, 5 Ks.
by cursedcleveland on Aug 26, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
Freddie Freeman
3 for 3, 1 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI
Game is in the 6th
top 30 prospect easily
lol
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 26, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he playing his way into the top 10?
A 20 year putting up .900+ OPS in AAA has to be a top 10 prospect right?
i like him better than Smoak
and Smoak was always a consensus top 10. so yeah, I think Pepper has found his way into my 10
Not for me.
He’s still a 1B who doesn’t have elite power or patience. Merely adequate in both areas.
Maybe in a year when he’s grown a bit stronger, but he’s still somewhere in the 25-35 range for me.
Yet
You’d probably rank Hosmer over him which is still baffling to me!
Adequate power? Seriously?
His ISO is insanely good. He’s on pace for almost 25 HR as a 20 year old in a pitcher’s league. People are way to obsessed with offseason scouting reports written by guys who saw him when he was injured.
4 for 4, 2 R, 1 HR, 4 RBI Game still in 6th
Now hitting .323 with a .916 OPS
In August he is hitting .429 with a 1.152 OPS.
Now 5 for 5, 2 R, 1 HR, 4 RBI
In the 7th could very well be his last AB.
by NYBravesFan on Aug 26, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He's just annoyed the Braves traded for Lee
instead of calling him up. If you’re Atlanta, I think you have to at least give him a look in September.
Lets say Freddie Freeman is Joe Mauer like
Joe Mauer like at 1B ins’t shabby at all
and no i don’t expect Freeman to win a batting title..(not saying he isn’t capable though either)
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 26, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Freeman is flying up my list
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Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 26, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Mauer-like at 1B
Sounds like Todd Helton maybe?
Helton in his prime had more power though
But it’s not an unreasonable comp.
Helton in his prime
also walked more than he struck out in 8 of 10 seasons, and had one of the game’s elite batting eyes.
Nothing Freeman’s ever done suggests he has that kind of ability.
This...
is why I hate comps. Nobody ever even tries to be realistic because you can shrug and say “hey, upside!” Helton was one of the best hitters of his generation.
My comps for Freeman would read present-day Gaby Sanchez median projection with possible upside of Derek Lee minus his crazy 2005 season (left-handed, of course).
He's going to have considerably more power than Sanchez though
Sanchez had a lower ISO in the PCL as a 25 year old than Freeman has in the IL as a 20 year old. The power comps people give for Freeman are insanely low. He’s showing more power right now than Joey Votto did in the IL as a 23 year old (and no I’m not comping the two, just trying to make a point about how much power Freeman is showing right now).
which combo wud u rather have in dynasty league
eric thames and ben revere
or
jp arencibia
Thames and Revere
Don’t overpay for Arencibia’s huge debut.
definately Thames and Revere for me
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 26, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
does anyone think
JP is gonna be an everyday player?
Considering their depth at C
His chances aren’t too great. But it is possible.
Isn't Buck
signed till just the end of this year?
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not sure
but even if he is there’s still Molina and D’Arnaud
Molina isn't a starter and D'Arnaud is still in High A
If Buck doesn’t come back I think you’ll see Arencibia as the starter, at least for a couple of years.
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Oswaldo Arcia
2-4 , 3B, SO
possibly 1 more AB pending….
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Rack of Lamb
John Lamb has tossed 5 no-hit innings @ Springfiled so far
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Nice breakthrough game at AA
He was on a 90 pitch limit and is probably getting close to hitting his IP limit for the year.
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6.1 IP , 8 H , 1 BB , 5 SO, 3 ER
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 26, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Freddie Freeman
Is he the #1 prospect in all of the minors at the end of 2010 if he keeps this up? I mean who is better, honestly? A 20 year old putting up a ~.915+ OPS at AAA?? We’re not talking about single A here.
Not to mention he’s widely regarded as one of the best defensive 1B in the minors…
Seriously.. who is better than what he’s doing right now? AND TO THINK HE HAD A WRIST INJURY the entire first half of the season— look at his numbers since he’s been healthy. Their Pujols-esque.
by phoenixscienter on Aug 26, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions
and just for kicks and giggles, his OPS in AAA is up to .918 now… higher than Logan Morrison’s .917 in the PCL, and Freeman is THREE freaking years younger.
- prospect.. It would be a crime not to make him that unless he falls off a cliff the next month.
by phoenixscienter on Aug 26, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you actually Freddie Freeman or something?
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Is he the #1 prospect in all of the minors at the end of 2010 if he keeps this up?
Unless he hits a homer in every single plate appearance he has remaining, then no. at least for me, it’s an easy no. Freeman would probably be my #1 1B now over Hosmer; it’s close and they’d both probably be in the 20-30 range. I’m just not a ginormous fan of 1B
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I definitely prefer Hosmer
It isn’t even all that close either, I don’t think.
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It's extremeley close for me
and I’d take Hosmer’s upside more than Freeman’s, but I love how Freeman has put up the numbers that he has while spending the entire year as a 20 year old in AAA and I view Freeman as being able to help a major league team sooner, which gives him that edge over Hosmer
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That's kind of where the age is a bit deceiving
Both Hosmer and Freeman are 20(like a month’s difference), but Freeman was drafted a year earlier and has an extra year of development time over Hosmer. That’s a big deal really.
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If you're even in the conversation for top prospect and you're a 1B...
then you better have a ceiling as one of the best hitters in the majors.
Does that sound like Freddie Freeman to you? No, no it doesn’t.
Bullshit. Then you can say that with any prospect.
Freeman’s a very good prospect for what he is, but no one has ever confused him for a future MVP candidate.
relax dude
he should be top 10. just because he may be having the most impressive year statistically as far age relative to league doesnt mean he is going to be the best major leaguer. its not rank everyone on stats. freeman is a great prospect, overlooked and sold short by many. everyone who questioned his power was wrong, kid hits bombs. but he doesnt fit the mold as a #1 prospect. he projects as an above average 1B to elite. there are a lot of players with similar projections at more valuable positions.
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lol
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 27, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
heh
I hope you do realize there are people here who post all the time and have made similar statement. Some people really believe this . . .if the numbers all match up, to hell with anything else.
Successful prospecting involves some degree of intuition and a lot of knowledge that you don’t get from a statline. Sorry, but it’s true. Karim Garcia destroyed AAA at age 19 and sucked in the majors. When a good major leaguer doesn’t hit for a year, it’s an off-year but you don’t think he sucks. When a good minor leaguer doesn’t hit for a year, suddenly he goes from future All Star to fringe regular. That’s irresponsible thinking and we should be trying to work away from that approach, to use statistics responsibly, not to do the opposite.
I’ve had multiple occasions on here recently where I’ve stated my feelings about certain prospects and somebody will come back and throw a bunch of numbers in my face, like I haven’t read through the numbers. I read the literature. I go through the numbers. Just giving me numbers isn’t adding anything for me, because I already know what they look like and I’ve incorporated them into my thought process. The part that gets weird for me is when people get smug about throwing the numbers around like they’re absolute statements, as low walk rate = “can’t take walks, doesn’t have any patience, has a bad approach”. It’s dumb and it’s the single biggest reason why REPORTERS (who aren’t experts in their own right as they just talk to scouts) treat the general prospecting community like a bunch of moronic lemmings.
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Ok
Troll? Really? I’d suspect someone throwing unfounded ad hominem attacks at someone who recently joined these forums would be considered the uncouth one, but I digress.
I’m hardly a troll. I’m an informed fan who thinks a 20 year old with off the charts makeup and physical tools who is hitting .324 with a .918 OPS this late in the season with an established track record of hitting at each level prior to AAA with elite defense should be considered for the #1 prospect position in the minors. If my enthusiasm for FF while watching him go 5-5 with a HR today came off like I was fresh off the schoolbus, then that’s my own failing (and I admit the caps were excessive) but its not like I’m sitting here defending a stretch by saying FF should be considered for the spot. Sure there are others (MM comes to mind in KC) who may be #1, but why is the assertion that he should be considered so off base?
You mention factors beyond stats. OK, I’ll bite. Who should be ranked above him (assuming he continues his pace) and for what reasons? Because I’m fairly confident there are just as many non-statistical reasons to rank him at least in the top 5… (after all, the Braves are extremely high on this kids physical AND intangible tools).
by phoenixscienter on Aug 26, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
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A few guys
I’d definitely say Teheran, Montero, Ackley, probably Moustakas… I could go on. But, Freeman is a great prospect. Certainly would rank somewhere between 10 and 20 for me. Freeman is having a great year and is very young, but he has been aided by a .350 BABIP and doesn’t have as high a ceiling as some other guys, from what I know at least. I’m not the most knowledgeable on this site by any means though, so I’ll let others fill in the blanks on this one.
Trout too
I just don’t think there is any way Freeman is the no. 1 prospect in baseball. He’s probably in the top 20 though.
Yeah, don't know how he slipped my mind
Trout’s a dream prospect… He still has plenty of time to add to his frame and get some more pop too… future member of the 30/30 club?
has the tools
but he needs to prove he can do it against AA and above. Gotta love ALL the tools, but like ive said in the past, too soon to be a #1… I mean, it was only A ball…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 27, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I would have zero problem ranking a kid in A ball the #1 prospect
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Why?
We are trying to identify the potential best major league players – not the guys with the best minor league performances.
Were either of you opposed to ranking Strasburg #1 or #2 last year when the highest level he had played at was a so-so college conference?
I don’t know why people have a hangup over this. Even the major sources do it plenty. Look at BA. Daisuke had never pitched outside of NPB when he was ranked #1 in 2007. Josh Hamilton had only played as high as the Sally league going into 2001. Lots of #1s had only half seasons at AA before getting their ranking. It really isn’t controversial. Plenty of #2s overall are the same thing. Top 10s, etc…
Strictly speaking, I don’t feel prospects have to “prove themselves” to be ranked highly. Once they’ve done that they aren’t really prospects anymore. If you think they’ve proven themselves after a year at AA or even a year in MLB I would say you should reconsider. Experience, exposure and success at more difficult levels are certainly factors I consider… but there is no threshold a guy has to pass for me to rank him highly… especially in the presence of fantastic scouting reports/tools. I do realize John puts an emphasis on this… I have a slightly different philosophy.
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Yes
I actually had a problem with ranking Strasburg or any other draft pick who hasn’t played a single inning of professional ball in the Top 20 no matter how sick their tools are but that’s just me. Personally stats, tools, age(according to level) all go into ranking players. A player can have all the tools in the world and dominate in the lower levels of the minors and flame out once they hit AA. I just don’t see a kid in A ball being ranked the #1 best ML prospect but again that’s just me.
I have to agree with Jay
The reason for me is it is A ball. Its that simple. He has amazing tools and dominated early in the year, but upon a promotion, has not been completely dominate. He obviously has the tools and may very soon be the #1 prospect, but I do think there are guys that are in AA or AAA that have the factor of “I handled the biggest jump in the minors and have still dominated”.
For comparison, look at Trayvon Robinson for the Dodgers last year. He had a breakout season in A ball in an offensive league(I believe Trout’s league is also very offensive minded, yes?) and was written off, more of less. He was given a ‘lets see what he does next year’ mark. He has since handled the AA jump very well and is making a push to be #1 in the Dodgers organization. I compare the two because they both dominated A ball, are CFs, and have 5 tools(I do believe Trouts are better than Robinson’s, although Trayvon has quickly rounded his game, minus the Ks). I know a lot of people were drinking the Trout gatorade early because of his dominating start, but I feel his failure risk is too great..
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 27, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Midwest League is actually a pitchers league.
He’s moved to the California League, though, which is a hitter’s league. And he’s been good but not great there, which might keep him from #1 with me.
It wouldn’t be because of the A-ball thing, though.
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 27, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
trout
is way above Trayvon. Trout’s a top 5 prospect for me. Even though the CAL league is a hitters league, making that jump and still holding ath K/bb ratio steady is a great indicator that he has a game plan up there. That, to go along with the rest of the toolset, the dude’s just an exciting prospect.
Trayvon vs. Trout
First, Trayvon was 21 last year when he had his breakout, not 18 like Trout. Second, Trayvon was repeating the Cal League and in his third full pro season not his first like Trout. Don’t get me wrong, I really like Robinson(he’s my #6 CF prospect when we get to that list). He’s just not a guy I’d use to compare to Trout.
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amen to that
There is FAR too much importance placed on numbers on this site. There are so many things that can affect the numbers of a prospect, some that we know about (park factors, defensive miscues, etc.) and some that we don’t (what specific things a player may be working on in games at the direction of his org. for example). Scouting reports, tools, a lot of things that can’t be sorted on firstinning.com mean as much or more than the stats.
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Teheran/Montero/Ackley/Moustakas/Trout/Jennings/Montgomery/Myers/S. Miller/M. Moore/Harper/Taillon/Pineda/Hosmer
B. Jackson/Turner/Gibson/Britton/Hellickson/D. Brown (if he is elligible)/M. Perez/Delgado/S. Castro/Lamb/Chisenhall/Chapman/
are all guys who could be above him, and there are more like Flores/Sano/Lyles/BDNF/Machado/Matzek
who could be ahead of him to. He could be as high as 10 or 11 and I probably wouldn’t make a huge fuss about it, but any higher than that is a real stretch. Probably in my high 20s/low 30s the more I look at it.
by Navi's_Navy on Aug 26, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not many assume he will continue this pace
partly because his BABIP is through the roof (although he does hit a lot of LD, its still ridiculously high, over .400 for the month now). He is a very good prospect, and after not being in my top 50 in June, he is up into the 30s (probably, haven’t taken out graduates or done much editing yet). Power concerns are still there to a degree, wish he’d hit a more balls in the air, a bit of a platoon split, he is still a first baseman. Lots of little nagging things. He is below Hosmer in terms of 1B, but that isn’t a slight, its quite a feat in my opinion.
Point is, lots of guys I (and others) would put ahead of it, and it’ll take too long to list it. He is a great prospect, but not #1 overall.
by Navi's_Navy on Aug 26, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Hicks day everybodY !!!!!!!
I just about wet myself
Hicks: 2-3 , BB , HR (6) , SB(19) , 2B
and no K’s !!!!!
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 26, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
Was the HR windblown?
lol, seems like his first HR since when May? So disappointed with his performance this year.
by BryceHarper on Aug 26, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
OBP-heavy .800 OPS in the MWL at age 20 is not something to be disappointed about.
by limozeen on Aug 27, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pineda
Guess he’s showing some signs of late season fatigue… 5er in 2ip… 1bb, 2k’s. This is to be expected this late in the season after pitching nearly 100 innings more than last year. Gotta say I’m really excited about him and some of the other Mariners young guys next season.
by PhillyPhanatic on Aug 26, 2010 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
I'm a little peeved they even let him make this start.
Clearly he’s been fatiguing as of late, and now he’s getting rocked. And he passed the mark they set for him at the beginning of the year. His AAA stats don’t look so great after his last two starts, but I still think he’s top 15 or 20 (I am obviously biased, but that seems to be where most people are putting him.
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 26, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Final Pineda line
3.2 IP, 6ER, 1BB, 5K
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 26, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Atleast the K's are there
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 27, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Given the hype
and he is repeating the league, I don’t think you can call this season a ‘success’. Take from the numbers what you want, but personally, I was disappointed with his performance this year.
Huh?
I’m not even a huge Pineda fan, but a healthy season with good overall numbers is a success. Also, what league did he repeat?
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This is wrong on so many levels.
1. What hype? Coming into the year, who had him as a top 100 prospect?
2. Who told you he was repeating the league?
Please do research before talking.
by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think BryceHarper's comment was about Aaron Hicks
who is just above Pineda here. I think it just ended up in the wrong spot.
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That would make more sense
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I had Pineda at like #103 you can look it up if you want Humbled,,,,
on my awesome list form last year
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 27, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This has now become a misunderstanding, however I doubt anyone would call #103 as "hype" but probably fair if you didn't take injury into account.
He has always performed well. Clearly, its time to shut him down this year.
by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 27, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Cruz dealt tonight - 4 IP / 0 H / 0 ER / 0 BB / 6 K ((5:1 GO:FO ratio)). Also other Rays
game was only close because Hellickson got knocked around a bit, pitching out of Charlotte’s bullpen. Tim Beckham went 3-6 with a double on the day adding a SB as well, and Tyler Bortnick hit his first A+ homerun.
Good day for AA, but it was a collection of relievers (primarilly Josh Satow and Heath Rollins) that combined to pitch a shutout for the biscuits.
Desmond Jennings went 2-5 as did Dioner Navaro (who has now hit ~ .290/.400/.400 in AAA since being sent down. He wouldn’t have walked this much all year in the majors, its really impressive and bodes well for him. If he could come up and hit lefties once Shoppach is gone, considering his far superior defense, could be a good salvage situation. Still only 26). Anyway, Leslie Anderson is also tearing up AAA so far and goes 3-5 today, definatley good to see if he is going to start at 1B for the Rays (potentially) next year.
Nothing of particular interest on the lower farm, overall good day considering Matt Moore also went and pitched great (mentioned earlier in the post).
Chun Chen
1/4, 1 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI’s, 1 BB, 1 PB. Still some work behind the plate, but geesh, he hasn’t skipped a beat since moving up to A+. SLG is a bit down, but OPS is higher than in A ball, which is always positive (discipline has been sharper). I know there’s some concern on his bat plays in upper levels, as his bat speed isn’t viewed as top notch, but I’ve found him to be tremendously fascinating this year. I don’t know how they typically promote, but I’d love to see Chen in AA to start 2011.
He Will Be
I guarantee it.
They need to bump up Roberto Perez to High-A and potentially get the newly-drafted Alex Lavisky into Lake County to start the season.
Archer
Keeps rolling. 7 ip, 5 h, 2 bb, 2 R, 9 K’s, 6:4 GO/FO. A bit more control, and a bit better change. Neither has to have drastic improvements to give him a shot to make it up as a rotation arm, but they both do have to improve. That said, just an awesome season, and here’s hoping the Cubs can repeat this development with Robinson Lopez. Mark Riggins is one of the best at ironing out mechanics, though, so here’s hoping.
If...
The Tribe didn’t indirectly get “Pure Rage” Chris Perez for Archer (through the DeRosa trade), I’d be infuriated. Since they did, I’m rooting for the kid. I’ve always loved his stuff… hoping Trey Haley can find it like Archer did and get on the same path.
I was just going to post something on him.
He has 118Ks in 138 innings, and just 22 walks, with a GO/AO of 1.4. Last year his FB rate was pretty high. Now he’s still striking people out despite being at a higher level plus he’s keeping the ball on the ground better.
As a Pirates fan, I worry about a Zach Duke redux but his K/9 was only 6.3 when in AA whereas Owens is at 7.7
by houksyndrome on Aug 27, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Worry? Zach Duke would be a positive outcome for Rudy Owens
Please temper your excitement, Pirate fans.
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I think he's better than that.
I don’t see any reason he can’t be a solid middle rotation starter, with the usual TNSTAAPP caveat.
I haven't seen any major sources say his stuff was anything but bottom of the rotation worthy
Duke is an OK inning eater, and that would be a good outcome for Owens.
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bottom of the rotation stuff
plus top of the rotation command/control might possibly make him a a mid-rotation type. Not definitely, but it’s a possibility for him. I could see him becoming a poor man’s David Wells rather than a Zach Duke. But I do agree that either would be good outcomes.
Perhaps
We’ll see what happens if he pounds the zone with mediocre stuff in the majors.
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I don't get this line of thinking at all
Burden of proof is typically considered a good thing. “No reason he can’t” says it all . . .I want the guy who gives me reasons why he CAN.
Interchangeable
That’s what “no reason he can’t” implies—“given all of the things we know about him, there is no reason he can’t”.
Stuff is consistently overvalued by many members of this community and pitchability and command are consistently undervalued. In my opinion, anyway.
I don't think that's necessarily the case
Pitchability and command are just both really hard to measure quantitatively. The closest statistical marker we have is BB/K ratio and that seems pretty unsatisfactory. If some aspiring genius wants to make his name in the prospecting business, go figure out the mathematical formula that solves command.
I suppose another issue is that people confuse “stuff” for “velocity”, when in reality “stuff” is lots of things. Velocity is a big component (probably like 40-45 percent), but other factors also apply. Unfortunately, a lot of those other factors are also really hard to measure quantitatively. Add in the fact that minor leaguer velocity (minor leaguer anything, really) continues to be routinely exaggerated and it’s not hard to see where we’re going wrong.
And not to get all logic wizard on you, but the part of “no reason he can’t” that stands out to me is “no reason”.
I know stuff isn't just velocity
It’s movement on both the fastball and on the secondary pitches, speed differential between off-speed and primary pitches, number of quality pitches.
It sounds to me like Owens’ stuff is a little underrated, though. The scouting reports I’ve seen suggest he has a fastball which averages around 90mph, which is “hard enough” (especially for a lefty) complemented by good command and pitchability. He also reportedly has an excellent speed differential on his changeup, which sits around 80mph, and a curve which has improved quite a bit.
Brandon Belt
He hit a home run last night in his first game in AAA. His line on the year is .464/.631/1.095.
He also has 20 home runs and 20 stolen bases. Has he cracked the top 50? He is only 22…with a high grade in athletic ability. I gotta believe he will be considered a top 30 prospect and has to be in the running for minor league player of the year.
.362/.609/.812
That line always makes me think OBP/SLG/OPS abuse, but nope, it’s just Barry Bonds.
definitely better than Villar
still a bad season though. finally, it is reasonable to be semi-optimistic about him.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 27, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
The solid finish at the plate is nice to see but not enough to redeem himself for the rest of the season. That said I think he’ll be far improved next year and re-establish himself a bit.
I'd expect him to be much better, yes
Gap power guy who takes lots of pitches, Cali kid spending the year in Lancaster? Wouldn’t be shocking when combined with natural progress, although obviously it may be difficult to figure out what will be responsible for the numbers . . .
Starling Marte
doubleheader tonight:
4-6, 2B, 3B, BB, SB
.382/.440/.494 since returning to the FSL.
Would be sick if he could get his average up to .300 by the end of the year
SS prospect that goes 20/20 with .300 BA one year removed from high school in a tough Low A hitting environment
He's been walking a bit more as of late
23 in July/August compared to 21 the first 3 months. May just be pitchers are pitching around him more, now, but I find that much more encouraging than BA.
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 27, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Same, especially considering he has a pretty normal BABIP (.327, probably not updated for today).
Could be low if anything given his obvious hitting skill and the fact that it’s A ball
some guys
Montero 1-3, BB, K
Chris Tillman 2.2ip, 8h, 0bb, 2k, 6r, 4er
Miguel Sano playing 3B 1-4, 2B, K
Max Kepler 1-4, SB
Ryan LaMarre 1-4, 2B, K
Mike Trout 1-3, 2 BB, K
Jason Kipnis 2-5, K
T-Bex
2-3, 2B, SB, SO…
this just in: he’s not terrible.
21st double and sb. so can we put the “thickness” disadvantage to rest? he’s got some quickness/wheels whatever you want to call them. he’s just built more like Rickie than Hanley.
avg up to .258 and OBP up to .347.
if his wrist is fully healthy next year, i’m expecting a full-on breakout campaign
lol
good luck
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 27, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What does a breakout campaign mean in his case?
I agree with you that people were too quick to give up on him, but what do you expect him to become? A decent major league SS? A superstar? Somewhere in the middle?
What worries me about Beckham isn’t the lack of power or speed or walks, but that he seems to strike out too much for a player without elite power or speed or walks to truly excel. What am I not understanding?
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by OldProspects on Aug 29, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
DeJesus Jr
Is quietly getting back on the Dodger’s radar. He is in AAA, playing 2B, and just reached the 300 plateau for his average after his 5th multi hit game in their last 6 games. His post ASB OPS is 100 points higher than his pre ASB OPS. His walks are way down post broken leg, but I feel that this is more his way of trying to prove his wealth to the organization before he gets replaced. Assuming he regains his patience, what is thought about him?
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 27, 2010 4:00 AM EDT reply actions
I still like him
He needs to get his walk rate back up where it was, though. I don’t know if he’s starter material, but it seems like he should have some kind of big league career.
+1
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 27, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Some Rangers
Omar Beltre, 7IP, 5H, 1R/ER, 0BB, 7K
Engel Beltre, 1-5, 2B, 3K
Robbie Ross, 2.1IP, 5H, 5R/4ER, 3BB, 2K, Robbie hates the Cal League
Jake Brigham, 5IP, 8H, 5R/ER, 3BB, 5K, 1HR
Jake Skole, 2-4, 3B, 2BB
Jurickson Profar, 1-5, 2B, BB
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