Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: NFL Players Ready To Welcome Gay Teammate

2011 Dodger Prospects


I've been think a lot about dodger prospects lately - I haven't posted here in, well, maybe a couple years, but I just wanted to bounce my thoughts off of some other people.

First, my guess as to 2011 grades for the prospects:

B+

Kenley Jansen RP

B

Sands 1B/LF

Robinson OF

Gordon SS

B or B-

Withrow RHP

Zach Lee RHP

De La Rosa RHP

B- (pitchers)

Martin

Webster

Magill

Gould

Miller

B- (hitters) *note: I could see either of these guys as C+

Russell

DeJesus

C+ (hitters)

Smith

Garcia

Landry

Cavazos-Galvez

Akins

Lemmerman

C+ (pitchers) *note: I could see these guys as Cs

Elbert

Cash

Guerra?

Lindblom?

CONCLUSION: The first things that jumps out to me is that the Dodgers have a lot of right-handed power pitchers in the B/B- range and plenty of outfielders.  Little catching, corner infielders, or left-handers (who's the second best LH after Miller?)

Jansen: I know people rank some of the positions players ahead of Jansen.  My argument is ranking prospects is largely about balancing upside vs risk and Jansen has as high a ceiling as RP can have and he is already pitching in the majors.  He seems like a B+ guy to me, and I don't see any other prospects as a clear B+.

Lee: I know we're all excited that McCourt actually signed the guy, but $5M+ doesn't make him any better than your typical first round HS righty.  Martin had better velocity going into the draft, but was more raw.  Withrow had similar velocity and command.  Lee has a legit change-up - which is nice.  Sickles gave them both Bs going into their first seasons.  I think Lee is a B also.  If I were ranking him next to those two at the same age, I'd say he'd be slightly ahead of Withrow because of the change-up (otherwise they seem pretty similar).  Comparing Lee to Martin is choosing between projectable velocity and a change-up vs present velocity with less polish.  I'd take Martin because I'd rather have the upside, but it's pretty close. I think Lee is a 10-20 pick talent that got top-5 money.

De La Rosa:  On one hand he's got the velocity of Withrow or Martin, with better GB tendencies, and he's pitching well in AA while Withrow is struggling there and Martin is struggling in the Cal League.  On the other hand, his strike-out rate is unimpressive, he's only taken to starting recently, and he's still kind of a string-bean.  How many would take him ahead of Withrow, Martin or Lee?

Magill: His stats are better than Webster, but I've heard nothing about him. He's tall ... that's about it.  Does anyone have reliable info?

DeJesus: First off, he's missed all of last year with a broken leg and struggled in April/May, but has turned it on after June.  He still the guy we thought he was - good average, polished plate-discipline, no power, and a slick glove without top-tier athleticism.  He isn't walking as much in AAA, which shouldn't surprise because he has little power; I don't think he'll walk a ton in the majors.  Here's the thing: I don't think there is disagreement about what kind of player DeJesus will be - a good glove at 2B with 280/335/400 type lines.  To me that's a decent starting player, and that makes him a nice little prospect.  I don't have any problem with him starting at 2B next year. I think he should remain a B-.

Cavazos-Galvez: The good: low-strikeout rate, gap power and speed - consistent, hard contact and speed are the building blocks of a major league outfielder.  The bad: he's old, he never walks, his power is more about doubles than homeruns and he rarely plays CF - the recipe of a non-prospect.  Not sure how you balance these things - I guess we'll have to wait and see how he handles upper levels (seriously, he needs to be promoted more aggressively in 2011, he's hitting .390 with .655 SLG since July 1 - he's going to destroy the Cal League).  I know the negatives are terrible, but I just like guys that combine low-K's with a lot of XBH.

Akins: Here's what I know: it took him a while to get into pro-ball, so now he's kinda old.  Oh, and he has a career OPS over 1000.  What I don't know: everything else - does he have legit tools? can he run? does anyone have reliable info on this guy?

How do you see the outfields in Great Lakes and Inland Empire looking? My guess:

GL: Akins/Landry/Garcia

IE: Songco/Cavazos-Galvez/Smith

THANKS!

Poll
Who is the best Dodgers prospect?
De La Rosa
12 votes
Gordon
48 votes
Jansen
5 votes
Lee
14 votes
Robinson
10 votes
Sands
24 votes
Withrow
8 votes
someone else
4 votes

125 votes | Poll has closed

Comment 54 comments  |  2 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

well i have LAD prospects ranked as follows righ tnow

(could be off a bit)

1. Dee Gordon
2. Aaron Miller
3. Zach Lee
4. Jerry Sands
5/6 Kenley Jansen, Ethan Martin
7. Chris Withrow
8. Robinson
9. Webster
10. Ruby de la Rosa

I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!

Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 24, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

A few things

I disagree about Lee. He is 6’4/190, at 18, with 3 average to plus pitches, and command of each. Withrow never had command of 3 pitches because he still doesn’t have the 3rd pitch. He has room to grow into the frame, adding potential velocity to the low 90s fastball. He has very high potential because he already has 3 pitches and control. Therefore, he shouldnt have the problems that Martin and Withrow are having… walking too many and not being able to get deep into games.

With Rubby- he struck out 9, 9.7, 12.1 and 7.7 per season in his years in the minors. The first 3 were as a reliever and the first 9 games this year were in relief. His K rate dropped from over 8 to about 6.5 in AA, but it should be expected. Also, the Ks should come back as he gets more accustomed to starting. Point is, he is a GB pitcher and has proven in the past he can K guys at great rates. Most of TBLA, the SB Nation Dodger blog have one of Sands, Lee or Rubby as the #1, not Martin or Withrow.

DeJesus:

I don’t think he’ll walk a ton in the majors

Huh? He got to the dance with walking. I personally feel coming off a bad injury that he wanted to prove his wealth to the Dodgers by showing he can hit. You don’t forget how to walk, and I expect that to come back next year, whether he is in the majors or minors.

If you are looking for consistent info about prospects, go to truebluela.com and go to the fanposts, where there are the minor league writeups daily. Ask the posters Kensai or Brandon Lennox, they are the most well versed in prospects, about anyone. Oh, memoriesofkevinmalone.com, Kensai’s site, has prospect profiles on many top guys…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 24, 2010 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps the Ks will come back as he gets used to starting, but that’s not something you can depend on. Pitchers simply don’t strike out as many batter when they’re starting, and De La Rosa’s decrease seems pretty reasonable for someone transitioning to starting and playing at higher levels with fewer free swingers.

by limozeen on Aug 25, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize this until someone told me

but De La Rosa has always been a starter. However, he was piggy backing with another prospect at the lower levels to keep innings down. For example, someone like Ethan Martin would start and go 3 innings and then Rubby would come in and throw 3 innings. Any online site for stats will say he came in as a reliever, but he was throwing starter innings anyway… So while it is expected for his Ks to drop slightly with such a big jump, I think they will come back up as he gets more adjusted to AA(even though he has absolutely dominated it thus far)

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 26, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

I don’t think dejesus will walk much in the majors because he doesn’t have any power and pitchers are going to pound the zone on him. I think we are already seeing this in AAA. That said, I’ve thought that dejesus’ walks will disappear every year since low-A because the pitchers will have better control. But as he’s moved up he keeps posting big BB numbers. Maybe he’s finally hit the wall. If he really can pull in 75 walks a year, then he’ll be a very nice player.

by sanchez101 on Aug 25, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ive talked to a couple guys on TBLA and MOKM

that cover prospects, and they seem to agree that they feel he is trying to prove his wealth(and put in a claim at 2B next year in the majors) by showing he can hit still. He has done that in AA. I think the walks will come back after he realizes the Dodgers didn’t replace him in the organization…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 26, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

my 2 cents on grades

B+’s
Trayvon Robinson
Jerry Sands
Rubby De La Rosa
Kenley Jansen

B
Dee Gordon
Zach Lee

B-
Aaron Miller
Chris Withrow
Ethan Martin
Allen Webster

The B- pitchers all have potential to move up significantly next year if they can put it together. everyone else are C+’s or lower.

by npurcell on Aug 24, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I prefer this

to SHS’s list, no offense. But it is a little aggressive in the B+ category. You are basically saying all those guys are top 50 players or very close to it. I only see Sands in that category, and he is a bottom end B+ at that, to me anyway.

by auclairkeithbc on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

top 50 prospects, that is, not players. i think it was obvious, but might as well correct myself.

by auclairkeithbc on Aug 25, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they're anywhere in the 50-75 range for me

Maybe B+ might be a tad aggressive. Obviously, I haven’t stack them against other teams’ prospects yet. Not to give too much away from John, but his latest top 100 list on rotowire he had 7 dodgers between 40-100.

by npurcell on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

7!?

So I can see Jansen, Gordon, Sands, Robinson, and De La Rosa. But who else? I’d be surprised to see him put Lee, Withrow, or Martin in the top-100.

by sanchez101 on Aug 25, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

41 – Dee Gordon

66 – Trayvon Robinson

80 – Sandman

82 – Ethan Martin

86 – Chris Withrow

88 – Aaron Miller

100 – Allen Webster

so he didnt even put zack lee and his 5 mill plus bonus….
or jansen and his 100 mph fastball and how good he has been in the mlb already…
or Rubby De la Rosa who is probably our best pitching prospect…

by matthewmafa on Aug 25, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

the top 3

are my top 3 as well, though i have sands ahead of robinson, and possibly ahead of gordon (who i’m not that high on). i was considering withrow and maybe rubby on a top 100 list i’m working on, probably only for personal use, but i didn’t really even consider martin (at least not too seriously), or miller/webster.

by auclairkeithbc on Aug 25, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

GRANICK!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 26, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love the nickname for Sands :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 26, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

much better list

I don’t quite follow the logic of the original poster’s choices, this one makes a ton more sense to me and I’ll bet will track closer to the consensus from the major raters

by scooter on Aug 29, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kenley

I like this guy a lot, but you have to be really really special as a RP to be the top prospect in any farm. I think he is a very good prospect, don’t get me wrong but I would have to say he meets up better with where HoffmanSlowey has him ranked.

by Marlinsin7 on Aug 25, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed

you can’t project Nathan/Rivera/Soria success, and that’s the kinda class you gotta be in to be a top prospect as a reliever.

R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9

by doublestix on Aug 25, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And all three of those guys were starters in the minors

by Marlinsin7 on Aug 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relievers

I agree that its pretty tough to be a top prospect as a reliever – looking back over past prospects lists relievers are pretty rare (most top relievers were starters in the minors).

In most systems I wouldn’t think Jansen is the top guy – but the Dodgers don’t have an elite players. They are deep in the B-range, second tier, 40-100 type guys.

I just think Jansen is a better prospect than Gordon, De La Rosa, Withrow, Lee, Sands, and Robinson.

by sanchez101 on Aug 25, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I kindly disagree

Jansen is a great relief prospect but he may never be a closer in the bigs, either from being blocked or by just not having the mentality to handle that. To me, Gordon and Aaron Miller are more valuable than a setup man who was a position player last spring.

by Marlinsin7 on Aug 25, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sands

What is the report on Jerry (or Gerald) Sands? Is he a 1B or an OF? What can we expect?

by airweino on Aug 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

He looks pretty good at 1B; could be a Cuddyer-like fielder in RF or LF. Very good arm, solid instincts, below-average range.

by limozeen on Aug 25, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Cuddyer comp offensively as well

Sands has pretty good power, above-average for a corner guy but not ++. Noone expects him to be Stanton.

by guru4u on Aug 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

he does have 33 home runs on the year though

in two non ofensive leagues…

midwest… and southern

by matthewmafa on Aug 25, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fully aware

But I have never seen a scout put an 80 or even 75 grade on his power like we all saw with Stanton. I guess that was my point – his power is good enough to give him value as a corner guy in the bigs, but don’t expect him to be Adam Dunn or Ryan Howard. I don’t see THAT much power.

by guru4u on Aug 25, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cuddyer with a few more walks seems very reasonable.

by limozeen on Aug 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

cuddeyer

i like it. hopefully less injuries/

by npurcell on Aug 25, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not trying to start an argument

but no one really knew about him coming into the year. He was always a sleeper who never fully put it together till this year. I think after this year we should see how BA ranks him. 33 homeruns in two non offensive leagues, a RF playing 1b in AA because they are trying to get everyone playing time and he has already been named the best defensive 1B in that league… He could be very special

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 26, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

from a recent BA CHAT
Sands has made enough of an impression on some scouts to project him as a major league regular with plus power and solid defense at either first base or a corner outfield position.

by matthewmafa on Aug 25, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you!

NOW CAN PEOPLE STOP SAYING HE IS AN ALL BAT PROSPECT?!?!

by npurcell on Aug 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

He’s not going to win any gold gloves but he’s not going to be a defensive liability, either. His overall defensive skill set is solid.

by Brian8603 on Aug 25, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've had long arguments

over the past couple months in the minor league day threads about Sand’s defensively ability. The only evidence the opposition provides are “well goldstein heard from another person who said his 50 year uncle’s son who is the bus boy that waited on a rangers scout that said Sands is too big and slow and fat just because his listed size is 6’4 225lbs.”

by npurcell on Aug 25, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or "He's Billy Ashley!"

That may be the laziest thing the normally reliable Keith Law ever posted. It’s so far off the mark. I hope he’s since actually seen footage of Sands or seen him in person and read other scouting reports.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 26, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

He is a bat-only prospect. Bat-only prospect means that your bat is going to have to carry you to the big leagues because your secondary skills (i.e. speed, defense) aren’t going to get you anywhere, and therefore your bat has to carry you. You can not be a statue, but still be a bat-only prospect, especially as a corner OF or 1B.

by thudean on Aug 25, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

how can you make such a bold statement

when what many consider the ‘bible of scouting’ completely disagrees with you?

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 26, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

then I misunderstood his tone.

I feel his bat will get him here, but his defense will help him stay.

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 26, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the idea is that he's not an MLB player if the bat doesn't pan out

Guys like Sands absolutely depend on their bat to get them to the majors.

There are a ton of guys out there that can play an average-to-slightly-above-average corner outfield or first base, so the only way that Sands really proves to be a valuable asset long-term is if his bat pans out.

If he’s a .220/.300/.400 hitter at the next level, he’s not going to play because of his glove.

I like baseball.
I write for Beyond the Box Score and The Hardball Times Fantasy

by Satchel Price on Aug 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

but over the past few moments, i’ve had constantly battles with people saying he’s worthless on defense, all of them citing some obscure goldstein or klaw quote. And when I bring up people that have actually watched them over the year (loons beat writer, Lookouts announcer, eye witnesses of fans that have seen him player), they’ve all dismissed me for blatant homerism.

I just want my due haha.

by npurcell on Aug 26, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying they are the same, but is Pujols a bat only player because he's way better at hitting than fielding?

Sands has above average defense at 1B and corner outfield.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 26, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jonathan Garcia

Looks really good to me. Hopefully he can keep it going in full season ball next year. Could fly up to the middle of your list if he keeps hitting

by JJACK on Aug 25, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

BC-G

I don’t understand the Dodgers’ decision to leave him in Low-A all year. He’s going to finish his first full professional season with >70 XBH, around 50 steals, and he never strikes out. I know he was really slow to start, but I do think there’s something to be said for giving a guy who grew up in the desert southwest a mulligan for the first six weeks he plays games in 40-degree weather. (Anyone want to do a research project on performance of hot-weather states’ products in their first month in cold-weather leagues???)

All he’s ever done is hit. I’ll be interested to see if they consider jumping him out of spring training next year and think he could be an intriguing sleeper prospect.

by realitypolice on Aug 26, 2010 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

BC-G

he hits but that 2.3% bb rate in Low A as a 23 year old is alarming. It seems like he’s just feasting on younger, inexperienced pitching to me.

by npurcell on Aug 26, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it's not like he hasn't controlled the strike zone

He only has 1K for every 9.5 PA’s. Again, not saying he’s a great prospect, just think he’s under the radar pretty significantly, and that if it were my call, he would have spent the last month at Inland Empire…

by realitypolice on Aug 26, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

That is why he’s so interesting – the positives are awesome and the negatives are alarming. On one hand, how many guys hit for power while striking out so rarely – even polished college guys don’t to that. On the other hand even the rawest of HS draftees walk more. I don’t think anyone knows what to make of him …

As far as the whole hot-weather state’s thing – he was born in Albequerque, which is hardly Phoenix or San Diego, it snows in the winter and has an elevation higher than Denver. But I get your point. I grew up in Southern California and can’t handle 50 degrees getting to work let alone playing baseball …

by sanchez101 on Aug 26, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Minor League Ball: Where the Future of Baseball is Discussed

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Minor League Ball Gameday, 5/25 MILB
Me_at_8_small
Minor League Ball Gameday Discussion, MiLB 5/24
Me_at_8_small
Today in Minor League Baseball Discussion, MiLB 5/23
Me_at_8_small
MiLB 5/22
Me_at_8_small
MiLB 5/21

Recent FanPosts

Small
Washington Nationals MOD 3
Xander_small
Red Sox MOD: Draft Room
Small
Padres MOD #4 (Final MOD)
Henrik-lundqvist-crossed-pads_small
MOD: Mets #6 (2012 Review)
Small
Good luck everyone.....
Small
Toronto Blue Jays MOD #6
Timmyace_small
MLB Mock Draft Round 1, 1s, 2, 3
Small
MOD#6 - Rangers (2nd Round - 93rd Pick)
Molina_small
Cardinals MOD #3

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Yahoo_full_count

Managers

March2111_084_small John Sickels

Jeri_avatar_small mssickels

Editors

Small Craig Goldstein

Authors

Headshot_small dougdirt

Mblpglogo_small Matt Garrioch

Small SethSpeaks

Osnation2_small Jordan Tuwiner

Img00006-20101226-1702_small Ray Guilfoyle

Lax-xl_small Marisa Ingemi

Small Marc Hulet

Moderators

Small mrkupe


Site Meter