White Sox Prospect List
by Marlinsin7 on Aug 21, 2010 3:14 PM EDT
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PrintAs a fairly dedicated prospect observer I feel as though I am quite familiar with most of the top prospects in the game and adequately knowledgeable about individual teams farm systems. However, as with most prospect fans, there are a few systems where my knowledge seems to fall off outside of the elite and high upside guys. With that in mind, I keep personal top 25 and top 50 lists of most teams (I don't publish these anywhere as of yet as I am incomprehensibly busy in a PhD program, however I plan to in the future when more time becomes available). There are probably 5 or so teams that I will possibly be posting preliminary prospect lists for this season in an effort to double check that I haven't missed out on anyone and in an effort to further educate myself on several systems. The first one I chose was the White Sox as I know their systems isn't particularly strong or deep. Please let me know who I am missing here and discuss interesting upside or sleeper guys here.
C
Ty Flowers (prospect eligible for 2011?)
Miguel Gonzalez
Sean O'Connell
1B
Christian Marrero
Ian Gac (former prospect coming back to life?)
2B
CJ Retherford
3B
Dayon Viceido
Rangel Ravelo
SS
OF
Sal Sanchez
John Shelby III
Jose Martinez
Jordan Cheatham
Nicholas Ciolli
Brady Shoemaker
LHP
Justin Edwards
Garrett Johnson
RHP
Jeff Marquez
Anthony Carter
Nevin Griffith
Cameron Bayne
Justin Collop
Matt Heidenreich
Jacob Petricka
Addison Reed
Thomas Royce
I am sure I missed someone, and this is just a list, the order is completely random. My Top 10 is as follows;
1. L Chris Sale
2. 3B Dayon Viceido
3. C Ty Flowers
4. OF Jared Mitchell
5. 3B Brent Morel
6. 3B Jon Gilmore
7. CF Jordan Danks
8. C Josh Phegley
9. R Nevin Griffith
10. OF Trayce Thompson
*Not exactly setting the world on fire with that top 10.
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Jared Mitchell is still on top for me
I’d go:
1. Mitchell
2. Sale
3. Morel
4. Viciedo
5. Thompson
6. Escobar
7. Flowers
8. Danks
9. Phegley
10. Reed
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+1
Certainly in the mix for worst minor league talent.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 22, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Petricka would be in my top 10 for them
he actually might be 4th or 5th.
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Jacob Petricka, P – Petricka can be summed up pretty easily; Big fastball, bigger project! Having had less than a handful of pitchers touch 96 MPH on my radar gun, he’s in select company. However, he’s the oldest and least refined to do so. If he were 19, it wouldn’t matter. At 22? Petricka has quite a bit of work ahead of him to smooth out his mechanics, harness his fastball, and greatly improve his off-speed pitches. If you are into baseball betting, the odds are against his profiling as a starter long term.
http://scoutingthesally.com/2010/08/final-thoughts-about-white-sox-prospects-in-kannapolis/
tyler saladino, SS
andre rienzo, RHP
gregory infante RHP
andy wilkins 3B/1B
ryan buch RHP
charlie leesman LHP
michael blanke C
kyle bellamy RHP
carlos torres RHP
lucas harrell RHP
jhonny nunez RHP
steven upchurch RHP
charlie shirek RHP
justin greene OF
nate jones RHP
brian omogrosso RHP
these are all guys that i would probably include on a top 50. i roughly put them in the approximate order i would rate them but, other than the top few, we’re really talking guys who are certainly your john sickels grade Cs (or lower) and are interchangeable based on your own taste.
you have a few guys that i think are total crap – sal sanchez, cameron bayne, justin cassel, jordan cheatham, jake rasner, anthony carter, garret johnson. i didn’t actually count but maybe a few of these guys would be necessary to fill out a top 50 in a system like the white sox. otherwise, i’d remove them from your mind forever.
also
you rate gilmore way, way too high. and griffith is a head scratcher for me, too, though i suppose he has a live arm.
Fair Enough
I wasn’t necessarily including those aforementioned “total crap guys” as players I would rate very highly, I just was attempting to list people that “could” be considered some level of prospect in the system. Griffith is almost Top 10 by default for me and Gilmore is hitting .315+ in high-A, never had a season with a bad BA, absolutely no power and a horrible fielding 3B by many accounts, but his bat in this system makes him a legit guy, not in many systems, but here, yes.
there are at least fifteen better prospects in the white sox organization than gilmore.
probably more. that bat doesn’t play above AA. and, for me, griffith is not even one of the top five or six pitchers. sale, reed, infante, rienzo, petricka and torres are all easily ahead of him for me.
I can see
Sale, Reed, Petricka, and I honestly may have overlooked some of the ‘10 draft arms. However, I am not a guy high on RPs typically so I disagree on Infante. Also, I think a 21 yr old with a live arm and upside is more valuable than a 27 yr old AAA arm but I suppose I have been wrong before and probably will be again sometime soon. I don’t know much about Rienzo other than the numbers. Any scouting reports?
well, griffith is a RHP. griffith is too hittable. fastball just doesn’t have any movement. and he breaks if he pitches for two consecutive months. and, because he’s broken so much, he doesn’t really throw the slider anymore that he credits with causing him to break. which means i fail to see anything he has that is a plus pitch anymore or even projects that. maybe he’s a reliever. but then he’s just gregory infante with not as good stuff.
rienzo’s got a good fastball (low to mid 90s), decent curve, not so decent change. he’s a brazilian and came to pitching later than some other guys but has good command, particularly of his fastball.
i won't address torres v. griffith specifically
because my thoughts are already known. but we’ve got the classic low minors upside versus high minors floor thing here. i’ve done my own (admittedly cursory) tallying of various minor league lists in the past and it’s certainly interesting to see how overrated the low minors upside guys often are. i understand that one of the guys from project prospect has actually done a good bit of legwork on this point and will be publishing on it soon. should be interesting to see.
hope he includes a discount for performance in future years
instead of this current one. in any case, my understanding is that it’s hard to be anywhere near mlb-level for any period of time. so if you get someone who is, they’re more valuable than the guy who has never shown even that. guys who prefer young upside are paying attention to the huge attrition rates at all levels of the game. at least that’s the way i see it. i’ll be interested in that study, though.
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in general
i think going past 20 for ANY team is almost a waste. you’re throwing darts anyways, but once you get past 20…i dunno how you can even say one ’spect is better than another.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
hell, i'd stop after 5
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