BA Midseason Top 25
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2. Mike Trout
3. Desmond Jennings
6. Julio Teheran
8. Martin Perez
9. Aaron Hicks
10. Zach Britton
11. Michael Pineda
12. Mike Moustakas
13. Eric Hosmer
14. Aroldis Chapman
15. Brett Lawrie
16. Logan Morrison
17. Simon Castro
18. Mike Montgomery
20. Freddie Freeman
21. Tyler Matzek
22. Kyle Gibson
23. Kyle Drabek
24. Casey Kelly
25. Tanner Scheppers
Prospects 26-50 (in alphabetical order): Chris Carter, 1b, Athletics; Jared Cosart, rhp, Phillies; Travis d'Arnaud, c, Blue Jays; Randall Delgado, rhp, Braves; Christian Friedrich, lhp, Rockies; Dee Gordon, ss, Dodgers; Grant Green, ss, Athletics; Brett Jackson, of, Cubs; John Lamb, lhp, Royals; Jordan Lyles, rhp, Astros; Ethan Martin, rhp, Dodgers; Shelby Miller, rhp, Cardinals; Mike Minor, lhp, Braves; Wil Myers, c, Royals; Wilson Ramos, c, Twins; Austin Romine, c, Yankees; Wilin Rosario, c, Rockies; Tony Sanchez, c, Pirates; Jonathan Singleton, 1b, Phillies; Jacob Turner, rhp, Tigers; Arodys Vizcaino, rhp, Braves; Brett Wallace, 1b, Blue Jays; Zach Wheeler, rhp, Giants; Alex White, rhp, Indians; Chris Withrow, rhp, Dodgers.
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-Hicks is still too high, and I’m a huge Twins fan. I’ve never seen a prospect so lauded for his tools while not proving much
-Surprised to see Britton so high, although I do really like him
-I don’t understand how they can have Scheppers so high when they state that they think he’ll end up as a bullpen arm
-I’m also assuming that Vizcaino would have been in the top 25 if it wasn’t for his injury, considering how highly they talk him up on all of their chats
+1
Semi-defense of Hicks. They say a big part of the reason for his high placement is defense, not offense
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everyone from the Ackley thread should email Callis
tell him they made an obvious mistake, because Ackley hasn’t shown enough to be a top 10 prospect. he’s probably more like 15-25, and that’s only if he stays at 2B. am i right?
by daveh33 on Jul 9, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Based on the comment with the listing...
I’d say you are right. They mention his rough defense, and that he’s starting to find the gaps, which refers to the questions of power, and those are the two questions I have about Ackley. So if he doesn’t answer those questions by the end of the season, I’d be surprised to see him in the top 10 and at 7, he doesn’t have far to fall.
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If he doesn't fix those problems...
and based on this list, I could easily see Perez, Moustakas, Chapman, and Lawrie jump over him.
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One last thing, check out the mid-season stock report...
They have Ackley in the stock down section, and the reasons he’s there are exactly the reasons why some of us feel he’s not a top 10 prospect.
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ok
so you must agree with every ranking then. you can’t have it both ways.
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by the pinstripes on Jul 9, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember this question Daveh?
You asked who I would rank ahead of Ackley:
Daveh:
this is why he’s a “prospect”
this whole post is about his ranking, so who do you rank ahead of him ?? [aside from D Brown]
who will have less weaknesses than Ackley?</em>
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by King Billy Royal on Jul 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprised to see Scheppers at 25
given the health and uncertainty of him moving to the rotation.
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It's also interesting that they say his fastball is there for short stints...
when, from what I’ve read, he is showing sustained velocity, even in his recent start that went up to 99 pitches.
But as someone mentions below, I don’t think they put much work into the list.
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Yeah, I haven't seen any reports of his velo coming and going
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agree on D'arnaud and Ramos
not Romine though. BA has said in the past that they are uncertain if Norris can catch, so that might have been a factoy
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I'd rank them
1 D’Arnaud
2 Norris
3 Ramos
4 Romine
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Just curious, but why d'Arnaud over Norris?
Is it defense?
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by Satchel Price on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That one is very close.
I’m actually a huge fan of both (Norris was #44 and D’Arnaud #67). Norris hasn’t hit this year and was hurt. Also I havent heard any improvement in his defense… so his stock slipped little. D’Arnaud is a more well rounded player and IMO his stock is steady/up a little from where I had him. So, the two are very close and on the border of top 50 for me.
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I agree that d'Arnaud is more well-rounded, particularly on defense, but the idea that Norris hasn't hit isn't really fair to him
Obviously the lack of power and the low batting average are worrisome, but his walk and strikeout numbers have been absolutely fabulous so far.
His .290 BABIP is way too low for someone in Single-A, and even with that bad luck he’s still posting an awesome .419 OBP thanks to an insane walk rate.
I just love the 22% walk rate, although he could stand to strike out a bit less (~26% K rate). I’d probably take Norris, but I can see the defense for taking d’Arnaud.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
His walk rate is what really sticks out to me. I can understand the argument about his defense. But I still consider him a top 50 prospect, over some of those other guys.
Yeah...
Its really a coin toss. As I said, I liked Norris more going into the year… I think I had them both much higher than most…
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wow, really?
mine would be the same, except with romine and d’arnaud flipped. maybe i’ve been sucked into the Yankee-hype surrounding Romine?
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I like Romine and he's top 100 for me...
Not entirely clear why people get so excited about him. Seems like a solid regular… don’t see any star potential there ( as opposed to Norris). I like D’Arnaud’s bat a little better and I give Ramos the edge because he’s nearly ready. Him and Ramos are a coin flip, though… just like Norris and D’Arnaud.
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Romine v. D'Arnaud
Romine is 3 months older than D’Arnaud, and putting up similar (if slightly better) numbers at a higher level (he’s in AA, D’Arnaud in high-A). Aside from D’Arnaud being a higher draft pick, it seems like Romine should be ranked higher. Is there something I’m missing about D’Arnaud other than the fact he was a higher draft pick than Romine? I think Romine has been very underrated because of the presence of Montero in the system.
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BA midseason
I honestly don’t think they put THAT much work into these – the following preseason top 100 never looks much like the midseason 25.
For example
Last midseason update Freddie Freeman was #11 then this year’s preseason he was #32
That isn't that large of a gap, no?
clearly people’s values change, and the people making the picks change too, but they seem to generally be with the realm of reality
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Seems like a pretty big gap to me
Not sure what else to say
by FI2 on Jul 9, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe that was a bad example
But my point was that it doesn’t seem like a ton of effort goes into this and that was borne out by John Manuel’s chat today in which he concedes that they just forgot about Wilmer Flores and would have included him had they remembered. [This point comes up later in this thread re: Flores.]
by FI2 on Jul 9, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Freeman
Freeman suffered a wrist injury that he tried to play through in the second half which killed his production, but up until that point he was doing well enough to get promoted to AA and that’s why he was #11 midseason and #32 the following preseason.
by JFP on Jul 9, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Drafted players and IFAs sign, plus the short season and fall leagues play in that time span
Plenty of room for rankings to change significantly from midseason of one year to preseason the next.
Really?
I mean, he’s an interesting prospect, but I think Morris is barely a top-100 prospect
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Woo is saying that it’s strange that Sanchez would make the list, and not Morris, because many feel that Morris is a better prospect than Sanchez, and thus Morris deserves to be on the list if Sanchez is.
Personally, I don’t see either of them as Top 50 prospects, though Morris is a little closer than Sanchez. Sanchez’s ranking is buoyed by his recent selection at #4 overall, and the attention that automatically comes with such a selection, IMO.
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Poorly phrased by me.
My statement was meant to show my surprise at Sanchez being ranked above Morris, no matter what numbers are attached to them. Morris is a level ahead, and likely pushing towards AAA later this season, while Sanchez has battled a shoulder injury, a pitch to the head, and then a broken jaw following another pitch to the head. I don’t know if either are top 50 prospects, but Morris seems like the stronger prospect to me at this point.
Yadier Molina is the comparison that’s fed to us Pirates fans as the ceiling for Sanchez. What’s a good comparison for Morris’s ceiling? A.J. Burnett?
I don't think Morrison has Burnett's stuff at all....
But, I would imagine his control to be better.
I still want to see what he does at Triple-A the last month of this season and the first two of next season to determine his ceiling. But, I don’t think he reaches Burnett, even with the latters recent struggles.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jul 9, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Stuff as good as Burnett's? Is that a joke? Burnett has some of the best raw stuff in baseball, maybe top-5 or top-10.
Here’s what Keith Law said about Burnett when he hit free agency before last season: “Burnett might have the best raw stuff of any starter in baseball. When he’s good, he’s unhittable. The problem is that when he’s not good, or not motivated, he’s ordinary and prone to the big inning.
Burnett will show three above-average pitches on his best days: a 92-98 mph fastball, all with good life, some with sink; a plus-plus downward-breaking curveball that is unusually hard; and an above-average changeup, his worst pitch but one he sells well enough to fool many left-handed hitters. His command and control are average at best; he gets by on pure stuff as much as on feel or his pitching plan.”
If Morris had anything near Burnett’s stuff, he’d be regarded as one of the best prospects in baseball.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 10, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
No one said
he had Burnett’s stuff? The only person who talked about Burnett’s stuff said he didn’t think “Morrison” (probably meant Morris) had Burnett’s stuff.
The only comment comparing Morris to Burnett was actually a question about ceiling. You can be comparable in value without going about it in the same way. Shrug
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 11, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I was just pointing out that Burnett is a pretty awful comp for most pitchers, because Burnett’s stuff is truly special.
Anybody throwing stuff like Burnett has at age 20 would be one of the 3 or 4 top prospects in all of baseball.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 12, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Got it
:D
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 12, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys who surprise me
I would have thought Gibson would be a little higher. I’m surprised Ethan Martin or Alex White made the top-50 at all.
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Yeah I'm not seeing either of those two
ahead of, say, Dan Hudson, amongst others.
Good point
I forgot Hudson. He should definitely be on the list
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That was a pretty surprising omission to me.
Guarantee (if he doesnt graduate) he’s the guy who ends up ranked above lots of these guys in the offseason.
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Hudson won't be a prospect by the winter, most likely
I’m guessing that he’ll get enough starts replacing Jake Peavy to no longer qualify as a prospect.
Although I can see why someone would prefer Alex White or Ethan Martin if they didn’t buy into Hudson as anything more than a No. 4/5 starter. White and Martin have way more upside, and we all know how much BA loves themselves some upside and tools.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 10, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Britton
I’m pretty surprised by his placement. He has really skyrocketed this year (63rd to 10th). The numbers have been good but I’m wondering if he’s gone from underrated to overrated…
I'm trying to figure out the same thing
Is this a Ian Kennedy case or does he have more upside? Clearly his Ks and BB data are solid at best, but if his GBs keep him from giving up a lot of homers, he might be rather good. If you look at Brandon Webb, for example, he strikes out about as many people as Britton does (in the minors of course – this is all assuming he continues to develop), though with significantly better control. Over his career, Webb has actually gotten a bit unlucky on homers (a HR/FB rate of 13.2% which is rather high), but assuming Britton gives up an equal amount, it seems plausible that he’ll have an xFIP in the 3.60 range, which would be close to a #2.
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Ian Kennedy? Where do you see Ian Kennedy in Britton?
Britton has a 66% groundball rate in Double-A, and Kennedy’s minor league ground ball rate is less than 40%.
As you noted, a pitcher with a solid K/BB and huge ground ball rates is a really, really good pitcher. Britton looks like he could be that kind of pitcher.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 9, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I just meant in terms of being a guy with a #3 ceiling
That was rated in the top-10. Sorry for being unclear
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I think his ceiling is safely higher than that, though
A lefty with the potential for three above-average pitches and a long track record of being a ground ball machine would seem to project as more than a No. 3 starter.
He may not be an ace-in-the-making, but I think he could be a pretty solid No. 2 if everything comes together. I like Britton a lot.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 9, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree that his ceiling is above #3
But I will note that other people do – before the year started, the consensus was solid #3. I asked John now in the most recent AQA about his ceiling, and he still felt #3. I don’t know what other experts think
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Ceiling
Isn’t it such a challenging question? Who would have ever thought Cliff Lee were a MLB ace. His stuff, while generally good across the board, isn’t overwhelming. But he learned to hide the ball well and locate his FB with pinpoint accuracy. Next thing you know, he’s an ace.
All I really know about Britton is that he’s a hard throwing lefty with groundball rates that are among the best in professional baseball — even better than Kyle Gibson whose groundball rates make people giggle with excitement. I know this is a cop-out but I could see him anywhere from a #1 to a reliever depending on how he develops…
by Dfarth on Jul 9, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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And since then, he has improved his changeup and slider. The kicker really is the changeup that went from looking like a possibly average pitch to a possibly above average pitch. He really just started working on using the pitch in hitters counts this year, and considering that the pitch is still fairly new to him, it isn’t hard to see an average pitch develop into an above average pitch with some more development.
And also just to make mention, he hit 96 in his most recent outing in Norfolk.
Poster below said he could see Britton being anywhere from a reliever to a #1 just doesn’t make much sense to me. He has improved his command tremendously, RIGHT NOW has a plus sinking FB, above average slider and average changeup with the best GB rates in the MiL, I honestly couldn’t imagine him being much less than a #4ish SP. And considering that he has improved at every level as his stuff has improved, I think it is somewhat safe to say he is developing at a pretty solid pace, I just don’t see his development somehow coming to a stop right here right now, not with his track record of improving every season….
Re:
I meant that comment more as a compliment. I don’t think it’s fair to say his ceiling is a #3 as there are lots of little things that need to go right, but a #3 can turn into a #1. That said, there are also more little things that could go wrong and turn a #3 into a future reliever.
Personally, I still think Britton is a #3 kind of guy...
I’d rather have Arrieta, still…. (though very close)
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I think I'd take Britton over Arrieta
But I’m clearly bigger on Britton than most here. I don’t know how people can’t get more excited about a lefty with multiple potentially above-average pitches that he can locate to miss bats to couple with an impressive ability to induce grounders.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 10, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just not sure the stuff matches his stat profile
His stat profile would lead you to believe he profiles as an Ace or so… I think his stuff is a lot closer to MOR… and I think in the majors the results will more closely match the stuff. I’m already discouraged by his dropping K numbers, which are down to a rather pedestrian 7.0 per 9 IP (6.8 per 9 in AAA but SSS). My question with the guy was whether its all his nasty sinker or does he have enough secondary stuff to miss bats. Well, its an even bigger question now than it was at the beginning of the year. If it is all his nasty sinker he’ll be okay in the majors but not great.
…but I do like him slightly more all the time. I just don’t at all agree with having him that highly.
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My impression is that his secondary stuff is improving
Recently, I think BA wrote his SL is now plus. Though his change is still below-average, there are some people who think it could become average. I don’t think anybody thinks he’ll ever be a major strikeout pitcher, but it’s possible his sinker is good enough he won’t have to strike out an extraordinary number of batters. If his GB rates persist to the majors (and I have no idea if they normally do or don’t), and his K numbers hold at around 7, then both of those figures would be in the range of Brandon Webb’s. The difference is that Webb’s control is somewhat better, which might be the difference between a #1 and a #2, even if Britton keeps those GB and K numbers (both significant question marks).
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by OldProspects on Jul 11, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing
How forgiving people are with prospects like Porcello and critical they are of prospects like Britton. Britton throws harder from the left side and generates more ground balls. I guess Porcello is younger. Give me Britton 10/10 between those two.
We got 3 in the top 11, we got 3 in the top 11, we got 3 in the top 11.
Also rumors that Pineda makes his major league debut tonight against the Yankees.
Against Cliff Lee would be good TV.
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KG had him in the discussion for just outside the top ten/eleven.
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which was absurd
especially considering how J.P. wasn’t an international free-agent.
(Now cue metafour telling me what a beast J.P.A. is)
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No prob
The Internets friggin sweet. I’d honestly have a serious meth addiction if it weren’t for Al Gore
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Sweet
The wheel ranks third on my favorite inventions top 25 list. Behind of course, the internet and crotchless panties.
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Brett Lawrie getting some big time love.
Still think he moves to a corner, but the bat looks like it’ll play anywhere, and fairly soon.
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love him
I’d guess he’s inside of my top 10 or just outside of it. Some projection needed, but this guy is going to hit the daylights out of the ball.
Agreed.
He’s a good prospect even if he has to move to right field.
Some better performance against RHP would help me to feel better, but otherwise there’s a lot to get excited about with Lawrie’s offense.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know how his arm grades out?
I really can’t recall ever reading about it.
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I think it used to be average or plus
But now it seems to be weaker. They’re talking LF rather than RF
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Brett Wallace
Has he done anything to prove his drop in rank, or have others done much more to prove they rank ahead of him?
+1
Or Wilmer Flores? Both are young but the reports are great and they are raking.
by FI2 on Jul 9, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Flores
should be in a top 50, Sano, not yet, but he’s going to take a run at it.
"This has got to hurt"
Somebody asked about him
and John Manuel said he was apparently supposed to be – whether it was an editing error, or somebody else disagreed, I’m not wholly sure
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The above was about Flores
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the fact that they "forgot" about flores
says a lot. doesn’t look like a ton of effort was put into it.
+1
Yeah, that was my point. Here’s Manuel’s answer: “Wilmer Flores . . . damn. He should be on there. He’s a definite 26-50 guy. Sorry to see one slip through the editing process. It would be more 40-50 but I see a couple of players I’d take Flores over, such as Zach Wheeler. Thanks for pointing that out.”
by FI2 on Jul 9, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Just another reason why I keep following BA less and less
Especially when there’s so much good work out there now compared to, say, five years ago.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 10, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a little surprised he isn't top-50, although I didn't expect to see him in the top-25
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by Satchel Price on Jul 9, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think BA got burned by the Ynoa hype
They’re a bit cautious as a result. Let’s see Sano actually perform in the US before putting him up that high. I don’t see any reason to separate him from someone like Gary Sanchez or Jurickson Profar or Edward Salcedo. They’re very interesting, but really shouldn’t be up that high at the moment.
True
At least Salcedo is now in low A. It is so much easier to get a read on a guy in full season ball compared to the rookie leagues.
Speaking of Salcedo, how is he performing?
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Surprised Jennings is still rated so high
And even more surprised he’s still rated ahead of Hellickson.
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I liked that rating
I would have probably put him above Trout too
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He's been solid the last month
But he started slow and injured – and injuries have really been the huge problem with him. I’m a Rays fan, but I wouldn’t have him in my top 10 at this point, since he just can’t stay on the field.
OK, maybe he’d still be top 10, but mostly because it’s a pretty weak crop of prospects.
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Royals have 5 in the top 50.
Also i am guessing Lamb and Myers are close to the top 25.
How is Jesus Montero #5? He is hitting .253/.329/.408 plus they completely destroy his defensive ability.
Desmond Jennings seems kinda high.
Dustin Ackley’s line of .255/.383/.376 with a lot of people saying his defense hasn’t been good seems very overratted. I am not understanding the hype on him?
Plus Aaron Hicks in Low A is only hitting .264/.375/.408
Kind of what im getting at is, unless these guys are pretty much amazing at defense im not sure how they are ahead of Mike Moustakas and Eric Hosmer. May be biased, maybe its Mooses defense and home-road splits but im not understanding.
Moose-.355/.417/.705, a 21 year old about to get promoted to AAA. 21 homers,25 doubles.
Hosmer-.354/.429/.547 20 years old and looking like he may get promoted to AA. In a pitchers park.
Now they are both young and highly picked draft picks and i feel their talent is now showing so idk, based of numbers and the fact that they have tons of talent and potential, i don’t see how they are ranked lower than some of those guys, unless like i said they have amazing defense.
Do those others guys have a lot more continued success?
I am no expert at all and am trying to get more knowledgeable about prospects.
Moose hasn’t had the best last 2 years but even his stats then were about as good as some of these guys plus his power has always been there.
Hosmer has a legitimate excuse, 2 actually. His vision and hand injury. They are both young for their level of play and looks like both will move up to make them even younger for their level.
all the hitters rated above those two play premium positions
except for Dom Brown, and it’d be hard to argue against him.
Hicks defense in CF + upside on offense, I can see him being top 10. though i don’t think you could argue if he was lower than the Moose or Hosmer.
Jennings is fine. he’s a top of the order hitter and a great defender.
I do think Montero should be a little lower. it’d be another thing if he could catch, but that sounds like there’s very little chance of it happening.
Moose and Hos are fine where they are. I mean, there are over 1000 prospects out there, and to be ranked in the top 13 is hella good company. Hosmer also gets docked a little for being a 1B, where he has to rake to be a star. not saying he can’t do that, though.
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in regard to Montero
he has had more continued success than Hosmer and Moustakas, and done so at a younger age.
.868 OPS as an 18 year-old in low-A
.951 OPS as a 19 year-old between high-A and AA
struggling now in AAA, but he’s only 20, and he’s improved of late
These numbers have all been posted while playing catcher and in pitcher-friendly parks (at least Tampa and Trenton are).
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how is Dustin Ackley #7 with that slash line and plays a poor 2B when
Brock Bond
Age 23: AA .333/.429/.409
Age 24: AAA .297/.415/.389
and plays a decent 2B is not in anyone’s top 200?
/snark, maybe
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
even the most homer-friendly Giants fans agree that Bond is a fringe starting 2B at best. He should be a fine utility man, but does not have very good tools, and doesn’t have much speed or power to mention. He can make decent contact and has a good eye, his isoP the last 2 years are .076 and .088, and that rarely translates to a major league caliber starter at any position on the diamond
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truth on Bond
the dude is Brian Bocock with a good batting eye and good contact. ackley is just rated too highly (right now) for my taste
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 9, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, I remember reading once somebody proclaiming that
Bocock is our Savior! and I almost shit myself haha.
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Bond isn't Bocock
Bocock is all glove with no bat. Bond is a pure OBP guy with fringy tools across the board.
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Bocock is just not a major league caliber player
and Bond is not a major league caliber starter
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"Also i am guessing Lamb and Myers are close to the top 25'"
Manuel listed those two, plus Cosart/Vizcaino/Jackson/Singleton as the “just misses”.
That makes sense.
I was just wondering, i am new to this prospect thing but love it. It is more interesting than the major league club. Maybe that is only because i am a Royals fan.
Continued success and playing a premium position makes sense but Hos and Moose’s hitting numbers are nipping at their heels.
You are right though being 12 and 13 is nothing to be made about. I love having them both coming up together, they should be a good tag team. Plus Myers will be joining them soon.
Christian Colon and Chris Dwyer could possibly be in the top 100.
Also we have guys who may have topp 100 talent just not putting it together this year.
Aaron Crow
Tim Melville
Noel Argulles
Dan Duffy
agreed
that’s why you have to have a lot of good prospects. some will fail.
i will say Duffy can easily rejoin this discussion (not necessarily top 25, but 100 maybe) with a strong finish to the season and good campaign in the Arizona Fall League.
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I would hope to see Duffy join the AA club this year.
I wonder what they do with Melville. whether he should repeat High A or get moved to AA.
Also with Crow being older for a prospect and with a good second half/ spring training if he would join the Major league team. I would like to see him start next year in AAA.
I was very disappointed to not see Argulles play but i feel he could be a quick mover even though there has been a lot of hate on him recently.
Duffy will be in AA soon
it’s just a matter of time, sans no health problems or anything.
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I think Dwyer and Colon are definite top-100 guys
Probably in the 50-75 area. Crow and Melville should touch the back end of the list as well. Duffy would have definitely made it, though I have no idea how they’re going to think about his time off
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Pretty crappy list, IMHO
Some of the names in the 26-50 are a joke. I really don’t think they put much effort into this list at all. So many glaring omissions and too many undeserving guys listed.
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+1
I hope the kid makes millions of dollars, I really do, but the hype on him is getting out of control.
"Most overrated prospect in the minors." -- Bravesin07 on Madison Bumgarner
I know I'm a Mets homer
but no Flores? An 18 year old with his ability and numbers deserves a bit more recognition
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