Prospect Retro: Lastings Milledge
Prospect Retro: Lastings Milledge
Lastings Milledge has been one of the more disappointing prospects of the last ten years. His physical tools are undeniable, but he hasn't developed into anything more than a mediocre player. Let's take a look at his development as a prospect.
Lastings Milledge was well-known as an amateur player, playing for Team USA in 2001 and 2002. The high school outfielder from Palmetto, Florida, was considered one of the tooliest athletes available in the 2003 class. He was ranked as a top five talent on tools alone, but fell to 12th overall that year due to questions about his ability to hit with wood, as well as doubts generated by a sexual assault accusation in high school, although he was never charged with a crime. He signed late and got into just seven pro games for Kingsport on the Appalachian League, hitting .231/.323/.308 although with five steals. I gave him a Grade B- in the 2004 book, noting his excellent physical potential as well as scouting worries that he couldn't hit breaking stuff.
Milledge began '04 on the shelf with a broken finger, but once he took the field in May he was excellent, hitting .337/.399/.579 with 23 steals in 65 games for Class A Capital City. His plate discipline was questionable, with a 17/53 BB/K in 261 at-bats, but his tools were so strong that he dominated the Sally League. A late promotion to the Florida State League resulted in a .235/.319/.432 line in 22 games for St. Lucie. In the 2005 book, I gave Milledge a Grade B, writing that I was "very impressed with his overall ability, but I'm also concerned that the strike zone judgment issue will hinder his career" once he had to face higher level pitching.
2005 was even better: .302/.385/.418 with 18 steals in 62 games for St. Lucie, followed by .337/.392/.487 in 48 games after moving up to Double-A Binghamton. His plate discipline was still an issue with just 33 walks, but his strikeout rate wasn't bad, and his bat speed was so good that he was able to overcome problems with the zone to that point. He also drew positive comment from scouts for his work ethic and willingness to improve, and high school makeup concerns seemed a thing of the past. He played well for Team USA in the World Cup tourney in August, then had a strong performance in the Arizona Fall League. I gave him a Grade A- in the 2006 book, ranking him as the Number 17 hitting prospect in the game.
Milledge split '06 between Triple-A Norfolk (.277/.388/.440) and the Mets (.241/.310/.380 in 56 games). His walk rate was much higher in Triple-A than it had been previously, and it looked like he was gaining some command of the zone. His major league numbers weren't great, of course, but at age 21 that was forgivable. On the other hand, his attitude rubbed a lot of people the wrong way: he was accused of showing up opponents, was late for a game, and irritated manager Willie Randolph with baserunning gaffes. By late July, he was being mentioned in trade rumors. At one point, anonymous veteran teammates posted a sign on his locker that said "Know Your Place, Rook!"
Milledge hit well in spring training in 2007, but was dogged by nagging injuries most of the year including a sprained ligament in his right foot that cost him most of April and May. When healthy, he hit .272/.341/.446 in 59 games for the Mets, very credible for a 22-year-old, but continued to draw fire for his personality and behavior on and off the field, including performing a rap song with scurrilous lyrics. A September ejection and suspension for arguing balls and strikes with umpire Jim Joyce seemed the last straw, and he was traded to the Washington Nationals in September.
Milledge saw regular action with the Nationals in 2008, hitting .268/.330/.402 in 138 games, with 14 homers and 24 steals at age 23. Nagging injuries, defensive gaffes, and more rumors about a poor work ethic got more attention than his actual play on the field. More injuries in 2009 limited him to just seven games in Washington, and he ended up being shipped to Pittsburgh on June 30th. The Pirates were certainly aware of Milledge's mercurial history, but GM Neal Huntington said "with maturity and proper guidance, he was a chance we're willing to take." He hit .291/.333/.395 with the Pirates last year, and is at .268/.340/.364 this year.
So, what went wrong here? Milledge's biggest problem in the minors was shaky plate discipline, but he's actually made some improvements in that department. Scouts also point to a level swing that produces lots of top spin but prevents his natural strength from transitioning into home run power. That might be correctable, and he's young enough to develop further at age 25. Injuries have been a definite factor: he's been hampered by a strained foot ligament, a broken finger, a swollen/bruised hand, a strained groin muscle, a sore toe, and a cracked metacarpal at various points in his career.
The factor that draws the most notice, of course, is behavior: he essentially got himself kicked out of New York and Washington. Since coming to Pittsburgh, Milledge seems to have gotten the message and has reportedly matured a great deal, creating a new reputation for himself as a hard worker and team player. Unfortunately, the hard work and more mature attitude hasn't resulted in better performance on the field.
I used to think Milledge was going to be a star, but that seems quite unlikely now. It's not impossible that he could develop into a good regular, if his power improves. But there's no sign of it in the numbers; his production has been flat steady at 92-95 OPS+ for three years now, with the only positive trend being improvement in his walk rate.
I haven't quite given up on him yet; he was really good in the minors most of the time, and the skills could still be in there somewhere. Sometimes players like this take an unexpected step forward in their late 20s after everyone gives up.
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Lastings
I always thought he was going to be a 5 tool stud but I guess he has million dollar tools with a 5 cent brain.
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by King Billy Royal on Jul 5, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
its not the brain it is the work ethic
he has all the tools and baseball was so easy as a kid that he didn’t have to work at it. Then he gets to the big leagues, maybe too fast and he has limited success. He doesn’t see the need to bare down and work at his craft.
Some guys can get by with the tools but mostly guys have to put in the work to be a good bal player, not just BP and fielding, but learn the game. Watch baseball, look at video
by Rickfansince76 on Jul 7, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
he surprised me
Thought he had the makings of a very good pure hitter, and while he’s flashed that at times, the lack of power has really hampered him.
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another thing…there weren’t too many complaints about his personality and work ethic in the Mets farm system, but when he got to the major league team everything exploded.
He seems better now, and this isn’t an Elijah Dukes situation…Lastings isn’t a thug, he was just incredibly immature for awhile. Sometimes people grow out of that.
To be fair...
It has to be tough for a young kid to go from being relatively unknown to a star in the bright lights in New York. I know many people who would have acted similarily under the circumstances.
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by King Billy Royal on Jul 5, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really...
Like most highly hyped guys, I think Lastings’ problem wasn’t that he was unknown then thrust into stardom, it was that he’d been told his entire life that he was great, was a star, etc, and it kind of went to his head. Its not unusual. Attitude problems might also suggest he didn’t know how to react, from an emotional/attitude standpoint to struggles, which is again not uncommon.
Good points
It also probably didn’t help that the Mets rushed him to the big leagues.
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by King Billy Royal on Jul 5, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Spent significant time in the minors in 2009
2009 was a complicated year for him as well. He had injury issues, but the makeup concerns kept him in AAA longer than expected with those injury issues. If he was a killer regular, he wouldn’t have racked up 139AB in AAA between Nats and Pittsburgh AAA affiliates.
I do think, however, that Milledge will evolve into a servicable 3/4 corner outfielder that can bridge the Pirates to better prospects. I also think that the Morgan + Burnett/Hanrahan + Milledge deal was good for both teams, with the Pirates possibly winning the deal. Pirates got two major league guys with higher ceilings. Nats got two guys who weren’t going to fail to help slow the cratering fall in 2009.
That said, as a Nats fan, I ain’t rooting for Milledge and watching Strasburg get his first career K against Milledge was one of the best moments I have had the opportunity to witness in person as a baseball fan. For Nats fan, a Milledge K in the Strasburg history books is sweet indeed.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
yes
Yes, this also fits because he apparently didn’t have attitude problems in the minors when he was playing well. The problems first cropped up in the majors, when he struggled for the first time.
I think it's worth noting that Milledge is hitting .288/.373/.400 since April 26
That’s 194 PA covering 53 games. The power is obviously disappointing, but he could still end up being a pretty good on-base guy.
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Remember defense was part of the problem.
This kind of stuff suggests that he can be decent at the plate as 3/4 outfielder. Also, while much of it was makeup stuff, remember that it wasn’t all makeup stuff with Washington. The Nationals were the worst defensive team in the bigs in 2009. They had committed to Lastings as their CF, and he simply couldn’t handle the pressure and didn’t have the skill set to play CF. Part of the Morgan for Lastings swap was about the differing defensive needs of the clubs. Milledge had clearly shown that the light at the end of the tunnel for him wasn’t in CF for the Nats and they had Willingham in LF and Dukes and Kearns as RF options who they had to give at bats to in RF for a host of reasons. On the flip side, the Pirates had Morgan in LF, where his poor man’s Juan Pierre skill set for CF was blocked by the studly McCutcheon. Makeup and ceilings were part of the swap, but I think Milledge will do better for the Pirates in part because the removal of the defensive pressure will allow him to focus on the minor adjustments to his swing and plate approach that will enable him to get to the .780-.820OPS that makes him an everday player. Hard to see him as the .900OPS stud he was projected to be, but a .780-.820OPS with average defense in LF at an affordable price for the Pirates could work well for them until they draft the right stud to replace him.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
One of the major things Milledge did that hurt his rep
was high fiving the fans after he tied the game with a homer. That was one of the “showing up the other team” things, which is absolutely ludicrous. I always like Milledge and wish him nothing but success. And I’d still rather have him in right field over Jeff Francoeur.
Seconding this
Always seemed like a great guy. The rap song was for a friend’s album, and was really just messing around in a studio. The song was never meant to go public (link) And the reaction after he high-fived fans (he had just hit his first career home run) was particularly shocking. I can’t help but wonder if there was some unconscious racial effect.
by yellomellojello on Jul 6, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
couldn't agree more
always seemed like a good guy, with great tools. he really got scapegoated.
doesn’t explain why he hasn’t flourished in the long term, but I do think he was poorly treated in NYC.
Dukes just signed a deal with the independent league Newark Bears.
Unlike Milledge, most Nats fans are wishing him well and hope that he can find peace and production. Troubled soul, but didn’t really cause too many major incidents when he was in DC.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Hopefully far away from kindergarten classes.
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by King Billy Royal on Jul 5, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Some Thrilledge going on at Minor League Ball I see
I will gladly take Lastings as our RF any day over Ryan Church
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Those concussions in NY set him way back.
You thought the light was going on after he finally got out of Frank Robinson’s doghouse and Austin Kearns’ shadow, but alas, alack, Church is barely a 4th OF right now.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Church at -1.6 WAR according to baseball-reference.
Not sure I’d touch Church with a 10 foot pole. He’s heading to AAAA with a bullet.
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That's because Church weakly hits the ball on the ground every time he puts it in play
Frenchy flails at everything, but when he actually makes contact he tends to hit the ball hard.
Milledge's performance has been frustrating
But, following his career, it has always seemed to me like he’s been the victim of some vicious raw deals in New York and Washington.
The “Know Your Place, Rook!” incident has always infuriated me, in that it’s been held up as a strike against Milledge. To me, that has always said far more about the veterans involved (rumored to be Paul LoDuca and/or Billy Wagner) than it did about the rookie. I understand being frustrated about the perception of showing an opponent up, but a real leader takes the kid aside and tells him why that’s a bad idea. A coward hides behind an anonymous sign he put up for all the sportswriters to see and write about. His teammates stabbed him in the back by calling him out anonymously to the media, and somehow Milledge’s behavior is what led to the trade. Right.
In Washington, the Nats’ organization transitioned him to a new position before last season, and gave him all of seven games to prove himself before demoting him. Then, he broke his hand on a HBP. He played poorly after coming back, and was traded to the Pirates. Milledge was pissed off about the demotion (understandably, IMO. He had a bad week.), upset about missing time to prove himself, and unhappy about his entire situation. Rizzo’s comments when he was traded, again, said more about Rizzo than they did about a kid who was rightfully frustrated about not being given a fair shake before the organization gave up on him.
He can still be successful, but the bottom line is that he needs an organization who’s willing to give him an opportunity to succeed. Neither New York or Washington were willing to do that.
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
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and now
Pittsburgh is platooning him with Ryan Church. For a normal team, that would be pretty suspect. For a supposedly rebuilding team, that’s downright insulting. It’s really weird that all three of his organizations have thought highly enough of him to acquire him and then turned their backs very quickly when he didn’t immediately pan out.
The Pittsburgh platoon with Church...
…is one of the manager’s boneheaded decisions. Milledge has hit righthanded pitchers better than Church has over the course of the season! Yet it took a streak of nearly complete futility before Russell benched Church and started Milledge. Church should be DFA’d. But….
Steve Z
I have a hard time believing that Church is getting ABs for any reason other than to send a message to Milledge about his baserunning gaffes.
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How Church isn't considered a tried and true fifth outfielder is beyond me
All he brings to the table is defense without upside.
I agree wholeheartedly
Milledge seems like an excitable kid. He makes jaw-dropping mistakes. But his enthusiasm is obvious. So also his hitting talent.
I too believe the veterans of NY who crapped on Milledge owe baseball fans a public explanation.
Anyway, it’s unfortunate for Milledge that Church has recently hit a bit. That ought to buy Church another month of starts in rightfield….
Steve Z
As I've said below, he's got almost 1,400 Major League ABs at this point
How has he not been given an opportunity?
Personally, and I say this as a Mets fan, I always thought the character issues were overblown, but to say he hasn’t been given chances is a bit of a fallacy.
The Pirates are platooning him...
….against the wishes of every single one of their fans. He’s been doing quite well since the end of April.
He had a nice June
But I’d hardly consider his .346 slugging “doing quite well”, when lack of power has been pretty much his biggest problem at the major league level.
Built to Lastings
Sometimes players like this take an unexpected step forward in their late 20s after everyone gives up.
Brandon Phillips was like that… although I don’t remember attitude questions… were there any?
I’d like to see Milledge blossom.
Not really a fair comparison
The Indians let Phillips languish at Triple-A for the better part of four seasons, letting him accumulate more than 1,000 ABs there without having him break 500 MLB ABs, despite his having the pedigree and putting up pretty solid (not great) numbers there by middle infield standards. Lastings has been pretty freaking awful at the major league level for going on 1,000 ABs now, particularly when you consider that he plays a corner. The only time he’s been decent in the bigs was the 184 AB sample in 2007 (which was pretty solid, I’ll admit). I just don’t think you can compare the 25 year old who breaks out when he’s finally given a chance to the 25 year old with 1,356 MLB ABs.
I always had doubts about his ability to hit in a corner
After the Mets signed Beltran, I really didn’t think he’d stick as a Met. He never flashed power that looked like it would fit a corner in the minors, nor did he ever utilize his speed enough to make up for that power. While he had the tools, I think his lack of baseball IQ held him back as much as the injuries. Lastings could have physically handled center, just as he could have physically stolen thirty bags or more a year, but he never managed to piece his (substantial) physical skills into baseball ability. I really don’t think he’ll ever be more than a fourth outfielder at this point, and I think his awful defense will hold him back from even being that when you combine it with his lack of base-running ability. He’s going to have to tap into a power reservoir that we really haven’t seen so far if he’s going to be an effective major leaguer, even as a reserve.

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