July 29th Gameday Thread: Oh Noes, Why'd they Pull Hellickson Edition.
by turambar85 on Jul 29, 2010 1:27 PM EDT
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I don't know of any other starters, but games are going on and stuff is happening, so a thread is overdue.
Casejud added some starters:
AAA – David Huff, Matt Maloney, Chris Tillman, Felix Doubront, David Bromberg, Thomas Diamond
AA ball -Rudy Owens, Alex White (6-4, 1.48), Jake McGee, Aaron Crow, Eric Cordier, Mark Rogers
All A – Ethan Marftin v Maikel Cleto, Robbie Ross, Charles Brewer (sleeper), Cody Scarpetta, Tyler Sample, Matt Packer (8-5, 1.62), Robbie Erlin (5-2, 1.67), Brandon Erbe, Mike Foltynewicz
I will use up the rest of my mandatory 75 words by going on a little mini rant! Critical thinking is in such a sorry state in the states as to make the absence of logic and philosophy in public school education almost criminal! Bring the mother of all humanities back into the school systems! Tangent ended. We may resume baseball activities.
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Hellickson was pulled after three innings
2 hits, no runs or walks and 4 k’s.
Anybody have any word on what happened? Call-up pending? Injury? Sick?
Actually...
It’s showing as being in the 9th inning of a game, and it’s only 1:30. Perhaps this is a makeup game, and it is showing old stats from Hell-boy?
Hellickson was not injured
official word is they are limiting his innings but sounds fishy to do that after 37 pitches. Lots of talk of a Wade Davis trade in the works. Andy Sonnanstine hasn’t pitched in 11 days and could spot start tomorrow (Davis’ scheduled start) and Hellickson later this weekend if needed. With Ben Zobrist and BJ Upton injured and on the bench, Rays could be waiting till after the game to announce a trade if it involves Brignac, Rodriguez, or another position player.
i'd assume
that if a club is going to pull one player from a game to make sure his arm or whatever doesn’t fall off, they’d do the same for any other player involved.
if anything, the timing of the decision to limit his innings is curious.
normally I'd agree with you but they may run the risk
given they only have 1 non catcher position player on the bench today
from watching the Game Sonnanstine appeared unavalable
will be interesting to see the next 24 hours before the Davis start tomorrow in TB
Starters
I was just about to post this thread but, I can at least do a few more starting pitchers going today right?
AAA – David Huff, Matt Maloney, Chris Tillman, Felix Doubront, David Bromberg, Thomas Diamond
AA ball -Rudy Owens, Alex White (6-4, 1.48), Jake McGee, Aaron Crow, Eric Cordier, Mark Rogers
All A – Ethan Marftin v Maikel Cleto, Robbie Ross, Charles Brewer (sleeper), Cody Scarpetta, Tyler Sample, Matt Packer (8-5, 1.62), Robbie Erlin (5-2, 1.67), Brandon Erbe, Mike Foltynewicz
Rip Fredrick0220, cwhitman412, Mets2k9- mis you guys
brewer is an interesting one
Better prospect out of HS, where he was a projectable strike thrower type. Went to college and didn’t quite live up to expectations. Not too much of a surprise that he’s faring well in A ball (no more metal bats!), but AA is going to be where we find out if he’s legitimately gotten better.
Just adding on here
The Roy Oswalt package from the Phillies is now rumored to include ultra-toolsy defensive stud CF Anthony Gose.
Wondering what that third piece might be . . .Houston scouts love athletes with defensive ability.
Jonathan Villar
IFA signing from a couple years ago…SS with speed, not much bat at the moment but decent size/projection
yep
Very nice package, considering that Singleton clearly wasn’t going to be had.
I agree
They get two very high upside bates, so if either work out it will be better than getting 1 more year of Oswalt on a non-contending team
Someone explain to me what is his upside about Gose?
Power? He has none.
Eye at the plate? He has none.
Contact ability? He has none.
Yippee, a good defensive CF who cant hit for power OR get on base. Oh, and even when he gets on base he seems to think that he can just run on any pitch. Thrown out something like 27 times this year trying to steal.
Might just be me
but I see his ultimate upside as somewhere between Michael Borne and Carl Crawford…I’ll take that really small chance on that any day of the week
If he gets power than i could see Crawford
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you do realize that without that money, there would have been no trade, right?
Maybe you’re a big fan of Brendan Ryan, I don’t know.
it's not a good trade
but it was a necessary trade for the astros, and it was better than keeping Oswalt
Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson
Alright, new stance….
Gose is awesome! Huge upside, love it. Tools coming out all over the place. Boom, whatta trade!
Have you actually watched Bautista?
He has always had good bat speed, the Jays coaches just tinkered with his swing to get him started a split second earlier.
by King Billy Royal on Jul 29, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
why
would Toronto do that? Why doesn’t anyone like Brett Wallace?
by richieabernathy on Jul 29, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Blue Jay fan
I am fucking furious. What a stupid move by GM Alex A. I seriously cannot believe that this just happened. Anthony Gose is a piece of crap. We just gave up our future stud 1B for nothing as far as I’m concerned. I don’t give a shit about the tools that Gose may have. The guy fucking sucks, period. Overbay stay in Toronto was coming to an end and Wallace was gonna step in and be a productive 1B that we haven’t had since Carlos Delgado left. This trade is absolutely ridiculous. I swear I am gonna break something.
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Mods & John
I apologize for my foul language. I’m just extremely pissed off right now.
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Well if it makes you feel any better
Kevin Goldstein is on tirade talking about how much he thinks he is overrated on twitter.
http://twitter.com/Kevin_Goldstein
“Brett Wallace is among the most over-rated prospects around.”
“Brett Wallace is a 1B only with average at best power, poor walk rate — how is that a good prospect?”
“It’s a gamble trade — you want a guy who is pretty much big league ready but no more than average for his position, or take an upside risk?”
“Your so-called ‘hitting machine’ has a career .299/.357/.484 line at Triple-A in good hitting parks, and offers ZERO after the bat. "
Wow
I haven’t seen Goldstein go off since he killed the Astros for taking Jordan Lyles (go look it up).
Fortunately, he was proven completely right, as Lyles posted a 6.46 ERA in his first season and suffered a torn rotator cuff this year in spring training.
by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2010 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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Yep...
Wallace’s only trait is that he’s a “pure hitter” and a “hitting machine” and he “just hits”, but the results when he has the bat in his hand hardly live up to that reputation.
What does all that stuff even mean if the results are not there? He has a great swing or something?
I think I speak for all the mods when I say
It’s cool, we’ve all been there.
by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2010 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reminds me of Superbad
The Home Ec scene.
There has to be something to this
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 29, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Inexperienced rookie GM just got fleeced.
That’s how I see it unless Gose is getting flipped in another deal.
I really like Alex’s moves up to this point, but this latest one is unforgivable IMO.
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brett wallace
overrated… best production since delgado?? lol
overbay is the best case senario for brett wallace
oh jeez
You deserve to be kicked in the balls for that.
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.372/.466
I’m not sure I can see Wallace doing that in the bigs. He’s 24 in one of the best minor league hitters’ parks in baseball, and still can’t do better.
I can see Wallace put up an OPS of close to or around .900
Too optimistic? Maybe, but I definitely think he is capable.
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He cant even do that in AAA in the best hitters league
what makes you think he can do that in the Bigs in the AL EAST?
You're an idiot
You’d rather have a lumbering first baseman than a speedy center fielder with a plus arm?
by royshowell on Jul 29, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
At some point just being able to hit the damned ball has to count for something! While Wallace may have ended up a DH, he would have still been a middle of the order bat that could have hit close to .300 with 25 homers. That’s not bad. And his floor is pretty high. I’m not sure Gose exactly has a superstar mvp type ceiling either, and he currently is nothing more than a collection of intriquing tools.
As the Astros go, it is only a good deal in my eyes, but the fact that Wallace must play the field is a slight downgrade.
Although I don't agree with the trade
Let’s give Gose some credit.
1) he lead the minors last year in steals with 76.
2) he has attempted 63 steals already this year. Granted, his success rate has been poor but he’s still learning.
3) he is 4th in the FSL in hits
4) he’s only 20 still
5) I think he does have a superstar ceiling
6) WORST case scenario is that if he continues to not hit very well, Toronto can try him on the mound as he was a very good pitcher coming out of high school.
I didn't mean to sound as if I were ripping Gose
I’m just trying to say that I, and most people (and probably most GMs) would rather have Wallace – especially in the AL.
Gose isn’t that much more impressive tools wise than some couple dozen minor leaguers outfielders.
I respectfully disagree
If you read the BA report on Gose…
“Gose earns 70 grades…for 3 tools: his arm, his CF defense, and his speed.”
they go on to say…
“he had as much arm strength as any high school lefthander this decade, reaching 97 mph.”
also
“in 2009 managers rated him the best and fastest baserunner, best defensive outfielder and most exciting player in the South Atlantic League.”
They do mention his bat as being his weakest tool, and that it will take some time to refine his raw tools, but that he could be a special talent like Carl Crawford with better defense.
I think sometimes we get too caught up in power hitters, whether they’re going to pan out or not
what good is speed
when he’s getting on base in A ball at a .322 rate? Anyone could be a special talent, but baseball is lined with tons more that turned into nothing than that became special talents like Crawford. I’d rather have the gu that is solid and has a good floor in this instance.
by Looney4baseball on Jul 29, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He's 19 years old
He has the tools where he could be a special player, Wallace does not. This is a gamble because of how raw Gose seems to be, but using current stats as justification just isn’t the right approach here.
7
he strikes out over 100 times in 400 at bats…
Right
Not a ton of walks, awful k rate, .710 ops. He isn’t producing anywhere close to his skill set. He is not a Wallace caliber prospect. Sure, it isn’t a good for the Stros as it is bad for the Jays (NL/AL), but it is still a pretty bloody good swap for Houston.
a .710 ops
almost has to be considered a success considering how little he hits. his league-leading 11 triples helps that
Right
But arguing that his poor OPS is a success because he hits so poorly is not a good argument for prospect vindication!
He's 19
if he’s still striking out 25% of the time in 2 years, then its something to worry about, but with a raw player who split time between the mound and the field in HS, give him more than a season and a half before we say he has no plate discipline ect.
Gose is not a long-term gamble worth taking
When you have to give up a hitting prospect like Wallace.
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And, come on...
A poor success rate doesn’t cut it. He is almost 1-1! He is a catchers best friend. He has no idea how to steal a base if he can’t manage better than that against high A catchers.
no kidding
Being fast doesn’t mean shit if you don’t know how to get good jumps and read pitchers.
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I just see excuses for shittyness
Not reasons for why he is a better prospect for the Blue Jays than Wallace.
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at least
as a self proclaimed blue jays fan you can be 100% objective
(sarcasm)
You haven't earned the right to talk to me kid.
Know your role, rookie.
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darn
emotional and illogical? and I can’t talk to you? That’s ok, I guess, I already have a wife and talking to one woman is bad enough
you obviously don't know who I am
I’m a pretty big deal around here, lol.
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This is funny because of the ironic tone to Dewey's voice when I read it in my head.
Alternately, it’s sad when Dewey’s voice sounds sincere.
a big something
I’m not sure “deal” is the word most people would use.
;-P
I know that
when someone says “don’t you know who I am”
they’re usually not much
Uhm
Wouldn’t a jays fan still be relatively objective about jays trades, especially when said trades involve a player who hasn’t been with the organization for so long as to become a fan favorite, or someone whom Dewey has seen rise through the ranks?
I mean, he wants the best player for the Jays. A typical homer reaction is overvaluing the player received because their favorite team just added them. You don’t usually cry homerism when a one year minor leaguer gets dealt, and the fan in question complains about the sanity of the GM….
Invalid use of criticism. -1 again!
Sounds to me
like Wallace had become a fan favorite. As least to Dewey
Ive been a fan of Wallace since AZU
One of the best pure hitters in his draft and exactly what the Jays needed going forward. Now we still have a hole at 1B, and will need to wait several years before we can see what Gose can do, if he ever actually becomes a hitter.
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and don't get me wrong
I don’t like the trade personally. BUT, as hitter friendly as the PCL is, Wallace’s numbers weren’t eye popping.
And maybe we should consider that there is a reason that this guy has been traded so often for so little in so short a period of time. The Jays already have Adam Lind, they don’t need another bat who can’t play the field.
Wallace was passable at 1B
Now who is gonna play 1B when Overbay is gone?
Snider? Lind? Not sure David Cooper is the answer.
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maybe when D'arnaud is ready
But that might be 2-3 years from now.
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...continuing
Wallace has one tool (maybe). Gose has 3. Sounds like the Jays are trying to find more complete baseball players not just hulks. They have offensive production enough. Damn, Bautista has hit 30 HR there this year.
I know we’re all fans, but maybe we shouldn’t sell short the value of plus speed and plus defense. for a while there that was the scouting report on Victorino as well- all speed and arm, no bat
I'm not disputing the tools of Gose
It’s the likelihood of him developing into something more useful for the Jays than Wallace would have been. Right now, I just dont see that.
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I got ya
but you’re talking about tools AND development. Sounds to me like gose’s 3 tools (speed, arm, defense) already are developed. meaning he would give the jays more right now (speed and defense) than wallace can. and if his bat develops, which is still up in the air but not UNlikely at this point, then he’d have yet another tool on Wallace
Those
Are all defensive. What would he be? Vizquel in center? You need more production out of a guy in the outfield than he currently can give.
And you can’t tell me that you meant speed offensively. So far it isn’t translating. If you can’t even manage a 1.5 – 1 stealing ratio, then you are either slow, stupid, or raw as hell. And Gose isn’t slow, so it is one of the latter.
None of his offensive tools or skills are even mid-upper minor level developed thus far, and we need to see some evidence that they can be, or he will never be an above average major league center fielder – no matter how great his defensive tools are.
My apologies
Vizquel was too generous. He honestly hasn’t shown the ability to hit anywhere near that well so far.
I don't think people are arguing Wallace > Gose
rather that Wallace isn’t the great prospect I feel he is made out to be around here. He is a back end of the top 100 guy for me (at best), of course, Gose is a back end of the top 200 if not lower .
I agree, the Blue Jays got fleeced (after the good Yunel move), and especially because Wallace would have value in 2011, though. I’d be pissed if the Rays traded Wilking Rodriguez for Anthony Gose too.
don't mistake me
I didn’t say he was completely MLB-ready now. But if his DEFENSE is major league ready at 19, and his offensive upside is as solid as his is, I think he’s worth the chance. Having an omar vizquel in CF wouldn’t be a terrible thing, either. especially if that’s worst case scenario
and he’s leading the FSL in triples and 2nd (by 1) in steals. so he knows, at least somewhat, how to use his speed offensively. I think we’re forgetting that he’s 19.
I'm done with Gose
and I am in no way a Blue Jays fan, I’m just saying that maybe this trade isn’t as terrible as some may think
what offensive upside?
- no power
- strikes out a lot
- doesn’t walk
- poor contact
- poor basestealer
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Look I don't think it's a great trade either
but I also don’t think it’s quite what you’re making it out to be either. He’s 19 in the FSL. The Phillies were aggressive in his assignments the last two years for a guy who wasn’t a polished hitter.
http://bullpenbanter.com
Highly doubt
That he is “defensive ready” now. That term for CF-ers at low minor league levels gets thrown around way to liberally and even ones that have high marks at higher levels (Carlos Gomez) struggle for a year or two defensively.
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zackly
Plus defensive tools don’t necessarily spell plus defender. As has been amply pointed out, his plus speed hasn’t yet translated into basestealing success.
Goldstein has been hating on Wallace all year, and there have been similar conversations on the usual sites. I think Wallace profiles as the good part of Overbay’s career — not a stud, but useful at a decent price. I expect he’ll have a similar impact to Hunter Pence for the ‘Stros, which ain’t bad. Wallace is perfectly fine as long as your expectations are reasonable.
by blackoutyears on Jul 30, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Bautista's 30 HRs are no big deal
30 Canadian HRs is only like 23 and 1/2 American
This isn't 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
by SalmonStream on Jul 29, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh
Wouldn’t Dewey’s objectivity as a Jays fan mean that he should like the deal for Toronto?
by King Billy Royal on Jul 29, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You're a foul-mouthed moron
One Jays fan to another.
by royshowell on Jul 29, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate the love
Clearly you are a homer and Alex A. apologist.
Brett Wallace was our future 1B who (as mentioned above by turambar85) was capable of hitting .300 with 25 homers in the middle of the lineup. He is basically ready for the show and replace Lyle Overpaid. Anthony Gose is fast? Who gives a shit if he won’t be able to get onbase at a decent clip. Try to look at the trade objectively rather than blindly defending a bad move that your team made. Anthony Gose is a HUGE question mark. This might go down as one of the worst trades in Blue Jays history.
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I’m someone who: (1) tends to be risk averse with prospects; (2) cares a lot about stats; and (3) was intensely disappointed in the Phillies’ decision to even draft Gose in the first place. So I’ll agree with you that I’d be frustrated if my team made this deal.
But you’re continually implying that Gose is shitty, awful, has no possibility to develop, etc., and that just isn’t true. By all rights, Gose’s age and level of polish makes him age appropriate for the NYPL right now. Hell, even if you run his MLE for a neutral SAL park, it comes out as .312/.373/.463. Would you think a 19-year old plus outfielder with that line, with a plus arm, and plus speed, who scouts absolutely drooled over was a terrible prospect?
Also, Alex Anthopoulos is a smart guy, and to my recollection, he hasn’t set a foot wrong yet (extracting a very solid haul in the Halladay deal, getting Morrow, spinning Gonzalez and two decent prospects for Escobar). I think the man deserves at least some benefit of the doubt.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2010 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Very well said
I mentioned above that Philly was aggressive in his assignments the last two years. He really isn’t ready for the FSL but despite that he’s made improvements to his ISO and his walk rate has increased ever so slightly. This isn’t exactly like Wilmer Flores and the Mets, but it’s similar in the regard that taking the numbers at face value doesn’t tell you the whole story for the kid. Agreed on AA too, he’s made an awful lot of good moves and I think he’s earned a little bit of leeway to see what happens here. Doesn’t make it a great trade, but it’s not as horrible as it’s been made out to be either.
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Thanks. And to buttress your point, it’s probably also worth noting that the Phils aren’t particularly aggressive in their assignments; hell, even Singleton was held back in XST for a couple of weeks at the beginning of the season. That says something about what they think of the kid, and the challenge they thought he could handle.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I quickly checked yesterday to see what they did with Dom Brown at the same age, he was in the NYPL. I’m not sure Gose is any more polished than Brown was, and I’m not saying that the developmental path or results will be anything similar. It’s just interesting to see how much more aggressive they were with Gose and why we shouldn’t place too much value in the numbers for a teenager in the FSL.
http://bullpenbanter.com
Brown
was playing a level lower Gose relative to age, but I think he was more polished. His walk and strikeout rates have always been rock solid, especially for a player said to lack polish, and Brown’s rep for pitch recognition has been out each step of the way. I’d be very surprised if Gose had anywhere the same caliber of pitch recognition.
by blackoutyears on Jul 30, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Two levels lower actually
NYPL vs. FSL
I wasn’t trying to make any comparison between the two, just thought it was odd how differently the Phillies handled two raw toolsy types a few years apart.
http://bullpenbanter.com
Interesting
I think Wallace is the better prospect, but that’s mostly just because of how safe of a prospect he is. I’m of the Goldstein opinion that his plate discipline and power are underwhelming and that he won’t be much of an asset at first base. Gose is much further away, but could be a really good player if he pans out.
Gose turning into something decent is a HUGE IF in my opinion
Wallace filled a need for the ballclub at 1B. Personally, I just didn’t think Gose is worth the risk taking when you could have Wallace at 1B for the next several years. Oh well.
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I don't think Wallace's production is hard to replace
Gose may bust, but if he hits, he’ll be much more valuable to a team than Brett Wallace would. It’s a gamble for sure, but it’s one that I like. The AA trade I still don’t understand is the Taylor for Wallace deal.
Seriously
How many of the people on here have watched Wallace play multiple times at 1B? I laugh that people think he is this horrible lumbering bad defender.
I have probably watched Wallace play over 50 games between Arizona State, Arizona Fall League, and Las Vegas this year . . . he will not be a liability out there. He isn’t a LaRoche or Loney who will flash the leather on Web Gems, but the guy plays a tick above average 1B.
yeah
IDK where this comes from either. Fangraphs was assuming some
negative defensive value to demonstrate why Wallace is doomed to be this mediocre WAR player, but then the same guy referred to Wallace’s conditioning and bad body, which was confusing. I’d say that he has an excellent chance to hit .290 with 20-25 homers and provide a neutral defensive value at worst for his first few years in the league. He may well be one of those guys who falls off the table after 30, but he should have some value until then. Honestly, the sooner HOU starts getting some use out of him, the better. Don’t leave him sitting in Triple-A. He is what he is. Use it or lose it.
by blackoutyears on Jul 30, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not MiLB, but...
Bumgarner can’t handle Mike Stanton! 2-2 w/ 2 doubles
Bumgarner knows what it feels like to face a real prospect now :)
Cantu and Tejada Dealt
Permanently clearing spaces for Bell and Morrison.
Nice!
Looking forward to Josh Bell getting some consistent ABs in Baltimore. Like his potential.
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THE FUTURE IS NOW
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 29, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding
An insane number of full-time callups from talented guys so far. If Britton and Hellboy make it over the next few weeks, I will be able to say that I haven’t seen a more talented August rookie collection in my time that I can remember (though I’m only 24, and haven’t followed minors all 24 years!).
And Jennings could still be up this summer/fall…Pineda…Chapman…Scheppers…
Agressive promotions and a class centered around the upper minors contributed to a sickening year for prospect promotions.
And a shitty shitty
Top 25 next year. Its gone be all projectable low level guys
This is the new order of things
Prospects are just so much cheaper than veterans, there’s almost no disincentive to promote them. The minors are just a very different place now.
by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2010 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dae-Eun Rhee
Should be getting the start in Daytona. Fairly solid July so far, with an increased K rate and lowered walk and HR rate. TJ back in 08 after some intriguing performances in Low A Peoria that got some attention. Durability was a question before TJ, and is still a question now.
Cantu moving
That league Coghlan as their 3B when he comes back.
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by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2010 7:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well, this sucked.
Went there to check out the new CC pitcher that Astros fans have been expressing quite a bit of optimism about, Dallas Keuchel. Was very disappointed. Spins a solid tight curveball that could be an above-average major league offering with refinement, but his velocity was only at 85-87 MPH.
Keuchel
He’s an Arkansas guy so I followed him in college. Always was a pitchability/finesse lefty. Were there any reports to the contrary or were they just excited about the numbers?
there's a difference
Between “pitchability/finesse” and throwing mid-80s. A few Astros fans here had mentioned him recently, and the snippets I had read on him led me to believe that his stuff was better than this.
Russ Canzler
Smacks another HR. I have no idea what to make of the guy, in all honesty. I’m cautiously excited, I guess. That makes 13 HR’s, 18 doubles, and 2 triples in 217 AB’s on the year so far. If he qualified for league leader lists in AA, he’d have a top 10 BA, a top 15 OBP, and he would be number 1 in SLG so far. Just a monster season so far, and he’s not that old (24).
We’ll know a bit more about Canzler by year’s end. With Vitters out, Canzler, a first baseman, will likely get a lot of time at 3rd. If he can handle it somewhat, it may really make him that much more intriguing. Granted, I may be writing a lot about a guy who may end up being a corner IF righty backup type, or maybe a quad A type bat.
GCL Blue Jays
Jake Marisnick 2-4 HR SO
Noah Syndergaard 4IP 2H 1R (unearned) 2BB
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Brandon Belt.......Meet Rudy Owens
0-3, 2 Ks
Owens line: 6 IP, 2 ER, 2 H (1 HR), 1 BB, 9 Ks……
(I like Brandon Belt…..just having some fun)
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jul 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
Danny Espinosa
2/4, HR, 2 K
Is he the future SS or 2B for the Nats?
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SS
Desmond has to move off of SS
by another know it all on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really a minors question
because Tyler Greene is technically a major leaguer now, but what’s the deal with St. Louis’ SS situation? I’ve heard conflicting reports of Brendan Ryan’s defensive abilities, but he is god awful with the lumber. Meanwhile, Tyler Greene hits fairly well but gets very little playing time. Greene had good numbers at AAA, and hits pretty well when given teh opportunity with the big club so what gives? Why no love for Greene from LaRussa?
Brenden Ryan's defense is pretty great
Granted with the bat numbers he’s put up, he’s like, replacement level for the season.
I think that a lot of fans would love to see Greene get more playing time, but the management really favors the better defense. Not that Greene’s is bad, but its more league-average like, and he’s prone to some weird mistakes that are sometimes made up for with amazing plays. Earlier this year Carpenter said he wanted Ryan out there when he pitches. That was before Greene was really in the picture, but it shows that the people have a lot of faith in Ryan’s defense.
Ryan has struggled offensively, but the only real difference from last year is his BABIP. Granted he was never going to post a .335 BABIP again, but .227 is too low, too, so maybe the team wants to give him a chance to get through that. Heck, he’s walking more than he did last year, too, so you could argue he’s actually improved offensively except for luck. Not that he’ll ever be a plus with the bat.
At some point the Cardinals will need to see what they have in Greene, too, since they really need to figure out this middle infield situation. They can’t have Molina in the lineup and start two worse hitters up the middle. The offense just doesn’t work with that no matter what Holliday and Pujols do. Not that Pujols is doing all that much recently, compared to his standards.
Complete random question
that someone may be able to answer (well not completely random because I say he got another hit tonight, albeit its his only but anyway)
Alex Presley 1/4
He turned 25 this past week and has put up a
.352/.406/.557 line at AAA after putting up a
.350/.399/.533 line at AA
and all that after doing basically nothing noteworthy his entire career. It could be a fluke but its hard to ignore those numbers after 100 games.
Thoughts anyone?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 29, 2010 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
leading the Appy League
in H, 2B, 3B, HR, TB, AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS
Brett Jackson
2-4 2B BB, K
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
had been in a slump
Glad to see him have a good night
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by Jgaztambide on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I calculated wrong but I found that Gose has a higher BB% than Wallace this year, not trying to use it to prove that Gose is a better prospect but it definitely adds some food for thought.
I didn't do the math on Wallace
but Gose should be around 6.8-6.9% this year, which by just eyeballing looked to be a bit better than Wallace.
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i actually like this trade...
Wallace is barely a top 50 spect to me… and maybe I’ve been over-rating him… Toronto seems to be learning something from the Rays…. you can never have enough speedy +defensive+tools guys who play valuable defensive positions… whereas replacement level 1B/DH types can be had for cheap. and a replacement level 1B/DH is exactly what Wallace is starting to look like.
+1
I’m really surprised at how many people dislike this move. Wallace is currently a better prospect, but he just doesn’t offer much upside. Anthopoulos seems to like his athletes and athleticism is something that Toronto definitely needed.
he isn't top 100 for me, fwiw
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LHP AZL Giants
Willis with his Giants organizational debut as a reliever teasing the youngsters. The plan is to have Willis reliever a few AZL games then report to AAA Fresno. If things go the right way Willis can be pitching in the Giants bullpen towards the end of August.
1 IP
1 H
0 R
0 BB
0 K
Cubs
Hak-ju Lee: 3/4, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K, SB, CS, PO. Red hot of late, his average is now at .289. The fact that Junior Lake is coming around may keep Lee in Peoria.
Matt Sczcur: 3/4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 3B, 2 RBI, 1 BB. Getting a cup of tea at Peoria before football season. I think there’s a fairly good chance he turns down football next offseason, as he’s a midround NFL type pick in all likelihood. The idea of a future with Lee and Sczcur at the top of the order is fun to think about.
Robert Whitenack: 6 ip, 5 h, 0 bb, 5 K’s, 2 r (1 unearned), 1 HR, 6:6 GO/FO. After a disastrous May, he’s started to turn the corner a bit.
Dae-Eun Rhee: 5 ip, 8 h, 3 r, 2 K’s, 2 HR, 8:4 GO/FO. Still getting the groundballs, but he seemingly struggles that 2nd/3rd time through the order. Problems came in the 4th today.
DJ LeMahieu: 2/5, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 K.
Ryan Flaherty: 0/3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K.
Michael Brenly: 1/4, 1 R, 1 RBI. Bob’s boy has been on a tear of late.
Kyler Burke: 1/3, 1 R, 1 3B, 1 BB, 1 K. Turning the corner … or just a small hot streak?
Junior Lake: 1/4, E.
Craig Muschko: 6 ip, 4 h, 1 bb, 6 K’s, 2 R, 7:5 GO/FO.
Tony Campana: 2/5, 2 R, 1 3B, 1 K, 1 SB.
Brett Jackson was noted above.
Russ Canzler: 2/5, 2 R, 2 HR, 3 RBI. .299/.388/.588 on the season in 221 AB’s.
Brandon Guyer: 2/3, 2 R, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 1 Assist. .306/.367/.522. 15/16 SB. Feel like he can be a useful Eric Byrnes-ish 4th OF that can play all three spots and offer a bit of pop.
Tony Thomas: 2/3, 1 2B, 1 3B, 2 RBI, 1 K. .289/.366/.504. 11/12 SB. Scorching of late as well. Mildly curious if he’s turned a corner.
Thomas Diamond: 4 ip, 3 h, 2 bb, 2 K, 3:4 GO/FO.
Darwin Barney: 1/3, 1 R, 1 K.
Micah Gibbs (so far): 0/3. 8/75 so far.
Dustin Fitzgerald: 5 ip, 2 h, 1 bb, 3 K’s, 1 HR, 9/1 GO/FO.
I know its early,
but I’m starting to dislike the Gibbs pick.
by philadelphiacub on Jul 30, 2010 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions
imo the pick
was fine. he was a guy that could’ve gone higher and he had a solid reputation overall. The position was a place where the Cubs needed to add assets in the lower levels.
3rd round pick
are you saying that drafting him in the 3rd round wasn’t good value? it’s hard for me to buy that – yes he had concerns, but the value of the pick was fine and the position was an area that needed to be upgraded in the system, particularly at the lower levels.
not what I said
I said that a lack of organizational depth in any way, let alone organizational depth in the lower minors, would never, ever play a factor in the decision to draft a player that early. If Gibbs is a good draft pick, he probably won’t even be playing in the lower minors for very long at all.
But I guess I could hope that he busts, in which case he’ll be a Daytona Cubs mainstay for the next 5 years and the Cubs won’t have to worry about that oh-so-important “A ball catcher” position that has been plaguing the organization for years.
some guys
Mike Trout 1-4, 2 K
Kirkman 6 ip, 5 h, 0 bb, 6 k, 1 run
Kipnis 1-4, 3B, bb, k
W.Myers 0-2, 2bb
Tim Collins 2 ip, 0 h, 1 bb, 4 k, 0 runs, so far with new club in 8 games….8 ip, 4 h, 3 bb, 14 k, 1 run(solo HR)
Brandon Laird 3-4, really like this kid alot. 22 years old in the Eastern league with 21 doubles and 23 HR, .291/ .354/ .526 37/83 bb/k. Over his last ten games he is going off with 4 HR, OPS 1.411 and 8/6 bb/k. I know he plays 3B for the Yankees and they have A-Rod there, but maybe trade bait. Any reports on his D at the hot corner?
Freddie Freeman - Starting to get pretty excited about him...
He was 2-3 with 2 walks tonight. He now has his OPS over .850. He is showing some good power with 14 homers. You gotta wonder what his numbers would look like if he was in single A/high A with the rest of the 20 year olds. If his power keeps developing he could be a stud in a couple of years.
The 0 BB for Kirkman are huge
Pre-2007 Kirkman would have been at the top of the Rangers farm system.
Laird
Defense not very good, they played him over at first a lot in Tampa.
His K/BB is questionable , abosalute best case might be a Aubery Huff (but Huff was more dominant in the minors by a good bit) . more likely end up as a AAAA slugger though.
He’s a decent complimentary piece for a trade, or if your not trading a big piece, but I don’t think it’s too likely for him to be better than a average 1B in the majors.
Martire Garcia - Elizabethton Twins (Appy)
5.1 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 10/2 K/BB
I know he’s been kicking around quasi-prospect status for a couple of seasons now but he’s been pretty awesome this season. 54/14 K/BB, 1.46 GO/AO in 39 innings. Anybody have any info on him?
Cheslor Cuthbert!
3-4, 2 2B, 3B, 2 BB
this kid is awesome. his plate awareness could use some work, but good grief can he hit the baseball. think he’s going to be in contention for BA’s #1 in AZL and Pioneer.
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plate awareness?
The Youtube video of him getting in his stance and swinging at the ball while standing in short left field might be my favorite thing ever.
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