The JP Arencibia Love Thread

by Alfamale on Jul 21, 2010 9:26 AM EDT

because it needs to happen.

over the last 6 weeks he's hitting around .400 with 20 homers and 45 rbi's. that deserves a hallelujah. can i get a hallelujah?

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praise Jebus

by daman316 on Jul 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions

Praise Jobu

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by Brickhaus on Jul 22, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions

At this point I just kind of want to see him in Toronto

He’s just putting Triple-A pitchers to shame right now, and he’s closing in on 900 PA at that level.

I think it might be time to trade John Buck and see what the Arencibia/Molina combo can do.

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by Satchel Price on Jul 21, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions

I don't love him.

…but I do like him.

I think he still has a very flawed approach that will be exposed in the bigs. He should have some value as a catcher with pop… but he’s more of a Miguel Olivo/John Buck type for me. Not a real impact guy but can put together stretches of HRs and remains a pretty valuable player and a decent option.

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by alskor on Jul 21, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah, I still think that d'Arnaud is the long-term catcher there

Barring some shocking, meteoric rise through the minor leagues by Carlos Perez

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by Satchel Price on Jul 21, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Perez has a chance to be really good….

by FenixL on Jul 21, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, he could be a stud if the bat comes along

But he’s only 19 and he’s in short-season ball, so he’s a ways away from making an impact in the majors.

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by Satchel Price on Jul 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

Arencibia isn’t going to be a franchise player behind the dish, but he’s could put up some pretty big power numbers, and I could see him being an extremely streaking MLB hitter (similar to Buck). Combine that with his youth and contract, he’s a very valuable asset for a major league club; he’s just not a guy who’s going to hit well enough or consistently enough to place a deadlock on a starting job, and I agree, that he probably will mostly serve as a placeholder for D’Arnaud

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by gore51 on Jul 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Why does everyone compare him to Buck?

Why not Mickey Tettleton?

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by Brickhaus on Jul 22, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Because Buck is apparently on everyone's mind

I suppose that’s what happens when you’re a free agent bargain that made the All-Star team and is considered a prime trade candidate.

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by Satchel Price on Jul 22, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Plate Discipline

Mickey Tettleton had an unbelievable eye. He walked over 100 times on 5 occasions, and over 90 on 2 other occasions. Arencibia does not have nearly the discipline of Mickey.

by King Billy Royal on Jul 22, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

simply put

Mickey Tettleton was a really freaking good hitting catcher, the dude wOBA’d over .350 6 consecutive years from behind the dish, and he basically had 9 straight years of being a damn good hitter (88-96). If Arencibia could touch Tettleton’s career average line (.241/.369/.449 – wOBA of .361) in his best year, I would be surprised.

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by gore51 on Jul 22, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

lol

so i see JPA is still DRASTICALLY underrated by the prospect community. guess he needs to mash for a couple more years before the heads begin to turn.

by Alfamale on Jul 21, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions

right

and this guy will be the best hitter in baseball:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=439664

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by gore51 on Jul 21, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions

1) Arencibia isn’t 33
2) He doesn’t play in the best hitter’s park in all of baseball, minors, majors or foreign
3) He’s a passable defensive catcher

Granted, there’s room for skepticism hitting in Las Vegas. But if he can become an .800 OPS guy with slightly below average defense at catcher, that still makes him a top 10 catcher in baseball. Change the OPS to .700, and he’s still a big league starter.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 22, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions

I was being facetious with the John Lindsey reference

but still, I don’t see Arencibia holding that OBP much over .300, and even with his power, that is getting into dangerous territory.

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by gore51 on Jul 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed.

I’m a d’Arnaud fan, but I can’t understand why people consider Arencibia a “placeholder” for Travis. The tools are there, but he’s got a ways to go to match JP’s production, and it’s far from a sure thing he’ll make it.

by PissedMick on Jul 22, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions

JP's OPS

much higher on the road.

by Alfamale on Jul 22, 2010 12:38 AM EDT reply actions

Same question, different thread

Over in the catcher thread, I asked if someone could give me a reason to believe JP’s more than – or even equal to – Mike Napoli. Any takers?

by realitypolice on Jul 22, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions

Napoli

Doesn’t he take a lot of walks?
JP is certainly not the next coming of Jesus behind the plate, but if he can hit 250, take a walk here and there, and hit 20 bombs a year playing average defense, that is a good catcher that can play on almost any team.
I think a line of 250/300/450 is realistic, however I’m hoping he out produces that, being the Jays fan I am.

P.S. trade John Buck already

by daman316 on Jul 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Napoli is a fantastic player

I don’t think JP will be all that close to Napoli.

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by alskor on Jul 22, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Napoli with fewer walks would be a good outcome for Arencibia, though.

by limozeen on Jul 23, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions

I think he could look a lot like 2010 Napoli, maybe with a little less batting average

Napoli’s walk rate is down to just 7% so far in 2010, and I could see Arencibia putting up some lines similar to Napoli’s .261/.330/.507 with 18 homers.

It’s being a tad optimistic, and I think he’d sit closer to something like .245/.315/.460 in most seasons, but that’s still a pretty damn valuable offensive catcher.

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by Satchel Price on Jul 23, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions