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Brandon Belt

There has been a lot of talk lately around here about Giants first base prospect Brandon Belt. Here is the comment I wrote in the book this year about him.

 

Belt was selected by the Giants in the fifth round of the 2009 draft, from the University of Texas. He signed too late to play professionally, but will probably make his 2010 debut at the low-A level. Belt is a big guy with a big wingspan, with considerable power potential. Scouts say his swing doesn’t fully translate his strength into power, and indeed he never dominated college pitching, though his performance was pretty solid overall. He works counts and controls the strike zone well, which helps, but he’s vulnerable to pitches inside. Belt has a good bit of athleticism and looks like a fine defender to me. I’m not sure how the bat is going to develop, and we need to see what he does against pro pitching before going higher than a Grade C, but I think he has some breakout potential once he gets comfortable.

 


Well he got comfortable pretty damn fast, hitting.383/.492/.628 with 18 steals, 58 walks, and 50 strikeouts in 269 at-bats for San Jose in the California League. Amazing numbers, especially when you consider that he hit just .323/.416/.523 last year for the University of Texas. He did show strong strike zone judgment in college, with a 40/37 BB/K last year in 235 at-bats, as well as some speed with 15 swipes in 18 attempts. Those attributes have carried forward to pro ball.

Ah, but his numbers this year were in the California League, say the skeptics. The Giants moved him up to Double-A Richmond (a much more difficult environment)  a couple of weeks ago, and through 10 games he's hitting .410/.465/.872, with three walks and seven strikeouts in 39 at-bats. No matter how you slice it, he's been one of the very best statistical performers this year.

I saw Belt play several times in college at Texas. He looked like a good athlete for a first baseman, but his swing was long and he had some trouble with inside pitches. I haven't seen him this year, although I heard back in May that the Giants had made a few adjustments to his swing to shorten it up a bit. I'd be interested in any observations from readers who might have seen him this year.

Gradewise, he's got to be at least a Grade B right now, assuming he keeps hitting in Double-A, although the Lars Anderson Experience reminds us to be careful of small sample sizes, even if they are exciting.

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Great Surprise

Excellent season for the kid. Glad to see Belt continue to succeed at The MeatGrinder that is AA. Should finish his season in the AFL. Will be interesting to see what 2011 holds for Belt as the Giants organization could use a power hitting LHH.

by wilriv21 on Jul 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

If he keeps hitting like he has started out in AA, and the Giants are still in contention into September, then Belt should finish his season in SF this year. If so, there would really be no need for him to play in the AFL. It’s not like he needs to get reps at 1B, like Posey did at C last Fall.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 17, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arizona in November

Belt is a fine defender. Any prospect can benefit from playing against elite competition that the AFL provides. IF Belt does get added to 40-man roster and promoted in September would doubt he would be anything more than a PH.

by wilriv21 on Jul 17, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t seen him, but there has been a lot of talk about his revamped swing. It’s really hard not to get excited about him, especially considering how many Giants hitting prospects have just immediately hit the wall when promoted to AA.

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by jponry on Jul 16, 2010 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Exciting for Giants fans

As the system looked to be a bit barren for hitting prospects once Posey eventually was promoted and with our other main hitter prospects starting out stone cold in AA this season. He’s our top position prospect now, I have to think (assuming we leave out players like Bowker who are no longer rookie eligible).

Could there be something like the reverse of Coors, where the air lets ball travel farther, where the New England air deadens the ball? I noticed that some of the young hitters who started out cold in April and May, started heating up in June and July.

I too heard about the revamping of his swing, on DrB’s blog. Sounded like the Giants used basic Science of Hitting training, swinging for power with an uppercut swing, instead of slapping at the ball. Basically what Andres Torres apparently learned to turn himself from AAA player to MLB starter. Seems like every speedy player is taught to slap at the ball (Torres, Belt, and I have to assume that is Burriss’ problem as well), I wonder how many careers that has killed.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jul 16, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Always wondered what happened to him. Great guy, started to get really prickly about any perceived slights about Giants prospects around here, then suddenly disappeared.

by mrkupe on Jul 17, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had to search for it

I wondered what happened to him too, very glad to hear about his blog. Found it via google search:

http://whenthegiantscometotown.blogspot.com/

http://bullpenbanter.com

by gatling on Jul 17, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not a “reverse Coors effect” but it is a proven scientific fact that balls will travel further in a humid environment – all other things (wind, temperature, elevation, etc.) being equal. The humidity difference between California (where he played all his Cal League games) and the Northeast is quite distinct this time of year.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 17, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been keeping an eye on him this season.

His swing to start the season was a mechanical mess. My comment to my colleague at the game was simply “That is the ugliest swing I’ve ever seen.” He had a huge hitch, and was lifting his back arm very high when he started to wind up his swing.

He’s made a lot of changes during the season, though. He’s starting his hands higher, and while his starting position for his swing is higher than is considered technically preferable, he’s made it work for him. The shortening of the swing has come naturally, and he’s shown a good ability to get the bat on balls inside. He still fouls them off more often than not, but he keeps a few fair.

One of Belt’s advantages is that he has an uncanny way of keeping his bat in the zone for pitches, making him able to turn on fastballs but do a good job of hitting the other way. His first home run in Richmond was a moonshot the other way that hit halfway up the foul pole, not an easy task in Richmond. It helps that the former pitcher has been able to turn his ability to throw pitches into recognizing them.

My one worry about Belt was that he only had one game at home before a roadtrip to a couple of the Eastern League’s better hitter’s parks, but he’s been getting his money’s worth. His 3-for-4 performance coming out of the break at home, with another home run, this one pulled, is very encouraging. He has gotten a bit aggressive in Richmond, but that is working for him so far.

His speed is not going to be a big part of his game. In our interview with him in April, he said that his running game was about watching pitchers and taking advantage of the ones who paid him no eye, considering his size and lanky build (6’5", 195 lbs to start the season). He himself said that when pitchers start getting wise, the stolen bases will stop. The lack of attempts in Richmond against more experienced pitchers seems to attest to that.

One note: Belt was originally an outfielder. He was moved to first with Texas out of need more than anything. A move back to the outfield (probably left) remains a possibility though it is not in any plans I’ve heard about.

Belt has a lot of ability, but it is hard to get overly excited after a little more than a half season. Very hard. But boy, it’s been good to watch so far. And one has to wonder…have the Giants found a way to build raw hitting projects into prospects?

Another guy to keep an eye on in that regard is Luke Anders: One of the Giants’ coaches developed a tool for Anders to keep his elbows in to stop him from throwing his hands too far at pitches. Anders is far less of a prospect between age, performance and level, but Anders’ initial power in one of the minors’ worst home run parks at Augusta was more than a little eye-opening, even as he’s cooled down lately while focusing on other parts of his hitting.

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by BruteSentiment on Jul 16, 2010 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Belt sounds slick with the glove, so I hope they leave him at first...

…and I hope they move Anders to San Jose. Sounds like he’s got some Damon Minor in him.

by royshowell on Jul 16, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the BA Hotsheet
Brandon Belt (Richmond): How did I only make the team photo? Am I a top 100 prospect?

Ben Badler: Definitely top 100, for me. I’m a big, big believer in the bat.

Robert Goldberg (Lyndhurst, NJ): Brandon Belt is having a phenomenal year thus far, and while he’s not Mike Trout or Dominic Brown, every day that he hits in AA, he’s looking more and more like the real deal. I realize his last week wasn’t that stellar (for him), but is he in the conversation for Minor League Player of the Year?

Ben Badler: Yes he is. I really, really like Belt.

by Dfarth on Jul 17, 2010 2:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for this, John, I was definitely one of the people who wanted to get a better handle on Belt's stock

It really does seem that it’s getting tougher to downgrade Belt for his problems in college, if he’s truly altered his swing mechanics to take advantage of his raw strength.

With his combination of athleticism, strike-zone judgement, power potential and now the statistical performance, along with some positive feedback on the guy’s swing, I think he’s really moving into the upper tier of 1B prospects.

I’ll admit that I was probably a tad wrong about Belt early in the year. I was skeptical about the numbers, but I’m starting to buy into this guy a lot more.

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by Satchel Price on Jul 17, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

John Couple Questions

With the 2nd round pick this year of Jarrod Parker with his long smooth swing that he has, and Belt had an extremely long swing. How do you think the Giants will do in converting him into a phenom prospect? I am super high on both Belt and Parker, however Parker obviously has more tools, but I would like to hear your insight on this as well.

by smay24 on Jul 17, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Jarret*

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 17, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get your hopes too high

The Giants have a horrible track record of developing hitters in their farm system over the last 20 years. Especially ones that need mechanical adjustments in their swings and/or that have poor pitch recognition/high strikeout tendencies. Panda, Posey, and Belt have been basically their only real consistent success stories. There’s no explanation for Panda, and I don’t think that the Giants can be truly said to have “developed” him as a hitter. He was more a case of just give him a bat and get out of his way.

With Posey the Giants got an almost fully-realized pro hitter from day one, so they also can’t really be said to have done anything to develop him either. I believe that the adjustments or tweaks they made in his mechanics (and it’s hard for me to see any), were minor, and they were probably initiated by Posey himself. Now the Giants can take a lot of credit for developing his defense and play-calling at the catcher position, because he didn’t have a lot of experience there in college.

As for Belt, like with Posey, the Giants were lucky to start with a hitter that alrady had a good eye, wasn’t afraid to work the count and had above-average bat-control. I do think that the Giants can take credit for getting him to revamp his mechanics in more than a minor way to shorten his swing and to open up his hips to allow his natural power to come through in his swing, but he took to the changes so quickly and naturally (without it affecting his plate discipline) that you can see he didn’t require much else than the initial instruction.

Jarrett Parker is not in Belt’s or Posey’s class in terms of batting eye and ability to make contact. This spring in college he struckout in 20% of his ABs and walked in 11.8%. So, even though he hit for much more power than Belt did, they have a much bigger challenge with him than they did with Belt. Not only do they have to work on his mechanics, but they have to get him to cut down on his Ks. If you look at the recent history of the Giants and their development of hitting prospects they have shown absolutely no ability to get their young prospects to reduce their Ks by any significant amount. One ray of hope that you can point to is that, while Parker did have a K-rate above the dreaded 18% threshhold this spring, he was able to drop his K-rate markedly from the 26% that he posted as a sophomore (although he did see a definite drop in power to go along with that).

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 17, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Belt's new swing

John, I watched Belt play at least 6 games on TV during the NCAA Regionals and World Series last year, and I’ve seen 2 clips of him from his San Jose tenure this Spring. IMHO, if you look at the changes he’s made between his last year at Texas and now, the shortened swing is not the main thing that stands out. The big change that he’s made is in how he gets a full hip-turn in his swing now, without going too far and “flying-open” on his front side. This allows him to pull the ball to RF with power generated mainly from his hips and lower body, while the shortened swing and the way that he keeps his weight back still allows him to hit line drives to the Left-Centerfield gap with authority.

At Texas he started his swing with a very closed stance and then strided, and threw his hips, toward left-center. He just didn’t rotate or pop his hips to get any of his lower body into his swing. Basically, all of his power had to come from his arms and shoulders. Even though he’s a big guy, this robbed him of his natural power and turned him into almost a slap-hitter.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 17, 2010 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Anderson and Belt, and SSS

While I understand and agree with the idea of not getting too caught up in the excitement of SSS stats, there is really no comparison between what Anderson did at Lancaster in the Cal League in 2008, versus what Belt did there in San Jose this year. Let’s look at the stats:

Bran. Belt: .377/.488/.626/1.114 … BB-rate=17.5%, K-rate=15.1%, 1 HR every 3.8 ABs
Anderson: .317/.408/.513/.921 …. BB-rate=13.2%, K-rate=18%, 1 HR every 4.2 ABs

This was all done with Anderson playing half of his games in the band-box, hitter’s paradise ballpark in Lancaster, while Belt was playing half of his games in the slightly pitcher-friendly confines of San Jose’s Memorial Stadium. A clue that Anderson’s numbers were likely a product of the famed “Cal League Effect” while Belt’s were not, could be found by examining Anderson’s road splits versus Belt’s home splits:

Bran. Belt (home): .382/.506/.573/1.079
Anderson (away): .286/.371/.468/.839

As you can see, Belt suffered almost no dropoff in the pitcher’s park where he had the majority of his ABs, while Anderson had a big decline across the board to relatively pedestrian numbers (for the Cal League) when he left the friendly confines of Lancaster. Of course, the big allowance that you have to give Anderson is that he was playing in the Cal League starting at the age of 20.6, while Belt started out there this year at the age of 21.11.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 17, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

lars etc

I was thinking more of what Anderson did in the Eastern League after being promoted that year

by John Sickels on Jul 18, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

A reminder

The only thing, I wish we had more data on Belt. This is his first pro year but he doing a lot better than Lars did in 2008, with fewer strikouts and more walks. I guess the rest of 2010 and 2011 will tell the tale.

by parlover on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Park Factors

How much of a damper does Belt’sfuture MLB home park dampen his prospects? He’ll be playing 81 games in AT&T, which is notoriously harsh for lefthanded power hitters, plus another 10 at Petco and another 10 at Chavez Ravine.

by Randolph314 on Jul 18, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

He’ll certainly lose between 3-6 HRs a year due to the high wall in RF and the deep wall in right-center at AT&T. However, if he ramains a smart hitter, and he certainly has exhibited a lot that so far in his pro career, he should make that back by having balls fall in for singles, doubles, and triples that would be outs, singles and doubles in most other parks.

Belt is a guy that profiles as a line drive hitter. I don’t think that Belt will end up hitting much more than 20 HRs a year in the majors. He will be a successful hitter if he continues to hit line drives from gap-to-gap. So, unless he becomes HR-happy and tries to loft everything over the fence in RF, I believe that AT&T should actually help his stats in the long run.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 18, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard that...

… they had him stand up straighter in the batter’s box, and they opened his stance up. I heard, in addition, that they had him hold his hands higher, and the had him lose his exaggerated leg kick. If I’m not mistaken, I found that information on-line in an interview that Brandon Belt did. So far, so good, huh?

by tgd10 on Jul 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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