The 2010 Futures Game Thread
by mrkupe on Jul 11, 2010 5:26 PM EDT
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PrintPosted for your enjoyment . . .batting practice is now over, and Frankie Piliere tweeted that he was most impressed by "Hosmer, Alonso, Moustakas, Brown, Trout, Lawrie, Romine".
Starting lineups for the teams this evening, ruthlessly stolen from Baseball America:
World Team
2b Brett Lawrie
ss Ozzie Martinez
1b Yonder Alonso
3b Alex Liddi
lf Carlos Peguero
rf Wilkin Ramirez
c Wilin Rosario
cf Gorkys Hernandez
dh Francisco Peguero
Starting Pitcher: Simon Castro
U.S. Team
lf Desmond Jennings
ss Dee Gordon
3b Mike Moustakas
rf Domonic Brown
dh Eric Hosmer
c Hank Conger
cf Brett Jackson
1b Logan Morrison (well, I guess that's why he wasn't in Iowa City after John drove 250 miles . . .)
2b Drew Cumberland
Starting Pitcher: Jeremy Hellickson
So, who are we most looking forward to seeing, if only for a few blissful ABs or a couple of innings?
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Alex Liddi will hit 3 Homeruns
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
bold choice of "Not Afraid" for the opening montage
Also, we have our first mispronounciation! $50 to whoever bet on Hector Noesi.
I bet someone will get the Pegueros names wrong
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the world manager got them confused
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
by Gobroks on Jul 11, 2010 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure how Riccardi got around to it
it started out with “Hector…ah…..um…Hector…uhh…” and I fast forwarded at that point.
http://bullpenbanter.com
I wish Cosart wasn't injured
I would have liked to see him pitch today with the amount of helium he seems to have.
Don Baylor should totally try Monster.com
You have to admit, having ESPN try to get you a job is pretty pathetic.
I'm looking for our starters to show some excellent stuff in these short stints
I’m thinking Simon Castro has a bit more heat than he shows in starts.
Brett Jackson was a late scratch
He has been replaced in CF by Brett Jackson’s Mullet.
Montero
Isn’t some fat slob. he is very lean, just a really big person. Moustakas looks much pudgier than montero does
Momtero
Came into st overweight, look at a recent picture of him or a picture from last years future game, he looks way leaner than moustakas
Word
I saw him about a week ago, was very surprised myself
Moustakas arm is god-like
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
Alonso is just swinging at everything
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
wouldn't be surprised if everybody was swinging at everything today
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
What will kc do with alex gordon?
Seems like he shouldve been a trade candidate awhile ago
he's in the outfield
he’ll be up as soon as there’s an opening. which should be shortly.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
That one got away
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
ZOMG GORDON IS SO FAST!
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 11, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they just sayd Larwie has Tremoundous speed and great range at second?
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
ahh yeah
he actually kinda does
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 12, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
For the years of suffering of Royals fans
Maybe mous and Hosmer will end their misery at some point, the talent is definitely there
Bad baserunning by brown
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
He doesn't look 'fat' at all?
And actually looks solid enough, blocking balls etc
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 11, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Replace castro and rosario please
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
jackson's swing
kind of reminded of laroche in a way. i like it.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
maybe not terrible
but wasnt impressed today
Yeah, he's got a cannon
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
by Gobroks on Jul 11, 2010 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it for sure moose is going to Omaha? Or just speculation?
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by tj.hendricks on Jul 11, 2010 6:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thanks
Great news can’t wait to see him in person
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by tj.hendricks on Jul 11, 2010 6:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
me too
gonna be up there, hopefully, the 23rd and 24th.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
Ill be there for that series as well. I get free tickets from work. Should be a good series with moose coming up and getting to see morrison and maybin
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by tj.hendricks on Jul 11, 2010 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
note the great move by Cumberland there
Very good at turning the double play.
Can’t wait to see Shelby Miller. I was big on him during the draft last year. Also want to see Wheeler and green.
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by tj.hendricks on Jul 11, 2010 6:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good block by Conger
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
Noesi in
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
really?
he looks “country-strong” to me. broad shoulders… that swing wasn’t huge… but I suspect he’ll lift to it later
Does anyone else see a Pedro Astacio/Martinez in Noesi?
Or is this more Yankee megahype
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
I see above average i wouldnt say its quite plus
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
just to add to this
He reminds me a lot of Kosuke Fukudome, and I think a slightly lesser version would be his power ceiling.
Wait till you see Grant Green.
I wanna feed him a cheeseburger or 45.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
by Syphon on Jul 11, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what is this
This is really, really pathetically obvious out of Don Baylor. He should know better.
Brett Lawrie does move well
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
that was 94??? that sink was ridiculous.
no way that was 94 though. stadium gun must be running hot.
I've seen his sinker hit 94 before on plenty of occasions
But that’s generally where he tops out.
Waiting 'til next year.
Jim Callis just tweeted that Britton was mixing in some 4 seamers, so presumably that’s where the touch of extra velo was coming from.
yeah but whichever pitch i saw that had that insane sinking movement away from the LHP
and was 94 mph… that wasn’t 4-seam
he was 35/54 before today
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
45/54 SB actually
(the above is his BB/K! idiot)
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 11, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Angels were losers in the Kazmir trade
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
needless to say
Brett Lawrie’s public rep is rising a few notches today. . .still room left on this bandwagon, boys!
Athleticism
I’ve always liked Lawrie’s bat, but he’s much faster on the basepaths, and quicker in the field than I thought.
Of course, this game has a ton of guys who can just fly. It’s fun to watch.
nice athletic play by Lawrie there
Rushed his throw, but wow, that doesn’t look like a guy who’s struggling THAT much.
Britton's stuff reminds me of trevor cahill
And cahill is an all star with 9 wins, sub 3 era at the ASB. So if he’s even close to that, britton’s future should be good.
Liddi has some power in that body
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
I think that's an understatement
If he can refine himself a little bit, I think he’s a well above average defender.
Jim Callis
http://twitter.com/BaseballAmerica/status/18310287910
Besides the sinker, Britton showed some 95-96 mph four-seamers last inning. #futuresgame
Trout
Ben Badler
Thought I might have been fast, but a couple other scouts had Trout at 3.9 seconds to 1B too. Legit 80 runner
Keith Law
Trout’s run time to first matched the fastest I’ve ever gotten from a right handed hitter.
Rickey can't believe you just said that.
Rickey knows there can’t be another Rickey, ’cus Rickey is the only Rickey there can be.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish i did
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Teheran
Wow, there’s a lot more effort in that delivery than I thought there would be based on what I had seen before.
Only 150lbs
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Listed 6 foot 2 150lbs
maybe 10-30 pounds heavier than listed cause that tends to happen a lot
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed...
Those mechanics…they really don’t look as good as I’d expected. A little too much Franklin Morales in there for my liking, if not quite so extreme.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick question
How come some of you guys have a signature of “R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9” What happened to them? I used to enjoy their comments
I know they were banned or something, but I’m still unclear as to why. Does anyone mind shedding light on this?
save it for e-mail
If you really care, e-mail me at mrkupebaseball@gmail.com.
No
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he's real impressive to me
there is some effort in his delivery, but he’s so athletic that it doesn’t concern me too much. plus he’s a rail and once he adds muscle/bulk, he could add even more to that FB
Per Law
keithlaw
Trout’s run time to first matched the fastest I’ve ever gotten from a right handed hitter.
Minor so far 90-91
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
here's Minor
one of the most anticipated for me… since I saw him last year live, and he did not look like a SO pitcher
I'm just annoyed that they haven't yet asked J.P. about
Former Futures Gamer Alexis Rios!
I mean, it’s not every day that you raise a top prospect, try to trade him for Tim Lincecum, have him break out, sign him to a HUGE contract, regret that contract so much that you literally toss the guy on waivers for nothing, and then have him turn into an All Star caliber major league center fielder.
It'd be like asking Matt Millen about his draft strategy
by Outshined_One on Jul 11, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not as much
turning into an All Star caliber CF but reverting back to his former All Star form
"This has got to hurt"
Do you think guys like JP Ricciardi and Joe Morgan
Know that everyone thinks they are idiots?
inside, but Lawrie still got around on it.
Britton
Moose
Lawrie.
top 3 that I’ve been impressed with. / have moved up for me
Noesi...
How’d he look? What was he throwing?
Good double play
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
Ye I had no idea he threw that hard. Then again, could just be cause it’s a one inning showcase.
"Hitting the ball was easy. Running around the bases was the tough part."- Micky Mantle
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jul 11, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Grey just said
That “For those watching the broadcast – stadium gun is 1-2 mph light”. So Britton was 95-96?
Not really...
Britton will get more grounders than Lester’s ever gotten, but projects to K substantially fewer batters. Unless of course he really does keep adding velocity, in which case who the hell knows.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't guys usually
throw a MPH or two harder in these exhibitions anyway? Adrenaline + shorter stints or something along those lines.
http://bullpenbanter.com
typically
Anywhere from 1-3 MPH isn’t out of the norm.
So instead of getting up in arms
by adding 2 MPH to the readings we’d probably just be better off going by what the ESPN gun has right? Just trying to keep things in the proper perspective here.
http://bullpenbanter.com
personally, yeah, I prefer to err on the side of caution
But I’ll let people have what they want.
Conger is showing Angels fans what the future holds
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
did you guys see how fast Ben Revere was?
He managed to get himself out before you could blink.
Yeah...
Yusi Petit is a pretty awful comp. Everyone knew he had “eh” stuff and was surviving on pitchability.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The ESPN gun was slow
GameDay had all of Lyles’ fastballs at 91-92mph. I noticed the TV gun was slower than expected on other prospects too.
Lyles looked great IMO and could add more velocity with some tweaks to his mechanics + simply maturing and getting stronger.
Also, his changeup was fantastic
Plus pitch IMO. Curve was inconsistent but flashed above avg. with ability to spot for strikes.
k
Now I need somebody to tell me that Lyles was sitting 87 MPH with terrible secondary stuff to balance this opinion out.
I'm inclined to believe the GameDay gun
Considering the ESPN gun looked slow on every prospect.
What did you not like about the secondary stuff? Particularly the change. The curve was inconsistent but showed a lot of potential with a couple of good ones.
I was joking
Change looks good. Curve was decent all things put together, skeptical of going anywhere near a plus on that for now though. I just don’t see enough here to go more than No. 3 starter for the moment, maybe a good one, but yeah. Just a lot of solid-but-not great stuff across the board, although he has an out pitch which is good to see. I’m going to make it a point to see at least one of his starts before too long, might grade up from there based on what I see. I want more looks over more innings.
Not much fun to watch most of the rest of that team, although I wouldn’t mind some more looks at Koby Clemens and J.B. Shuck.
Fair enough
I see Lyles as a borderline no. 2 so we’re not that far apart in our opinion.
Anyway, as for CC players of interest… well, the bullpen has some guys to watch. Villar and Meszaros are my favorites but Lo and Nevarez have the best stuff.
I also think Gaston is an underrated athlete… he’s pretty good out in RF from what I’ve seen. I think that CC ballpark is disguising his power a little; the wind conditions make it tough on LHB. I predict he’ll do better when he hits the PCL.
various Hooks
I had Meszaros noted as a nice arm, 92-94, touched 98 once but that might have been a gun fluke. Would need to check my notes on Villar but wasn’t all that impressed from what I remember.
Gaston’s power is probably being a little suppressed, as he has a very solid physical build and loft in his swing. The problem is that he doesn’t appear to be much of a pure hitter, and his power isn’t good enough to make up for that.
The really interesting thing about Gaston? He has an absolute cannon in RF, just an awesome arm. If the hitting doesn’t pick up for him, I’d think about turning him around.
Gaston
Interesting thought on turning him around. You were implying catcher, right?
There aren’t a lot of positives about his offensive performance this year, but one thing I really like is that’s he’s cut down on the strikeouts. He struck out too much last year, 27%, but his strikeout rate is down under 22% this season.
I was thinking possibly pitching, actually
He’s not tall but I think his upper body strength and athleticism would serve him well there. You could think about him as a C, but I’d rather give him a season in Round Rock in the OF before I started doing anything drastic.
I’m thinking he might have made some adjustments to make more contact at the expense of power, as the power numbers shouldn’t have fallen off THAT much, Lancaster or not. He makes for an interesting comparison with Koby Clemens, who obviously is having a pretty decent go of it in transitioning to AA level competition.
Pitching, huh?
Interesting… would be a pretty big change for a guy of his age. I assume you were just thinking as a relief arm?
yep
Wouldn’t be unprecedented though. I just thought he looked pretty fringy and that he’d be more of an AAAA hitter even in the best case. Given that the arm is easily his best tool, it’s something to be considered. At the very least I’d be interested in seeing just how hard he can throw from a mound.
Nice delivery...
Still inconsistent, but looks simple and repeatable. Much more impressed by it then Teheran’s. Even flashed a couple decent looking secondary pitches.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lyles was in high school 2 years ago
so yes i guess thats a little more than over a year
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
nope, change @ 80 MPH I think
And a pretty good one.
very nice movement if that was his change
we knew he wasn’t a blazer… pretty impressed by the sinking movement on these changes/cutters.
believe it was a change
Solid FB command but very average velocity, projection, some feel for curve but not that strong, change his best pitch. About what I expected.
Sure...but
Good looking mechanics, if some inconsistency to still be smoothed out. Flashed a couple decent looking breaking pitches. Definitely showed a lot of projectability and upside for a 19 year old kid.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Lyles
Man, I was super impressed by his ability to pump mid-90s fastballs.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2009/index.jsp?gid=2010_07_11_wftmin_uftmin_1&mode=gameday
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LUCKY
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not yet...
Shields’ changeup is pretty phenomenal. Lyles has a way to go before he can match that pitch.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Both Slowey and Shields are not BOTR guys
Shields has 3 straight years of 4+ WAR, he is a legitimate #2… BOTR guy, that is absurd.
i know
we were naming good pitchers that don’t have plus velocity, both of whom Lyles could compare to.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
He will be better than that
Lyles will throw harder and will have better secondary stuff than Radke did. A rich man’s Radke, maybe.
Yeah Really
Radke threw between 89-91 consistently with a plus changeup(one of the best in baseball during his time), an average curveball and outstanding command. That’s pretty much what I saw out of Jordan Lyles except with more development needed all around.
Radke ended his career with 148 wins and a 4.22 ERA. He could have easily won a lot more games if he wasn’t for some awful Twins teams. If you’re expecting Lyles to be better than that then you should be prepared to be disappointed.
Lyles is a #3-4 type starter.
by UncleBuck44 on Jul 14, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta say...
It really sounds you’d made up your mind about him before you even saw him, because that’s really not what I saw, and I entered in pretty uncertain about whether or not he was any good.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Sitting low 90's as a 19 year old
not sure if you’re getting wrapped up with some amazing arms sitting mid 90’s, but Lyles is very impressive
sure
But where was the guy who was sitting low 90s? Cause that wasn’t Jordan Lyles.
According to gameday...
All his fastballs where.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
check the Pitchf/x log
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2009/index.jsp?gid=2010_07_11_wftmin_uftmin_1&mode=gameday
sitting 91 on almost every FB
?
The Gameday link has every fastball at 91 and above
k
Fastball was right about average then, so not terrible. Stock holds.
That's ridiculous
You can say the velocity was average, 50 on the scouting scale, but you have to factor in movement and command as well.
The fastball plays as a 60-65ish pitch already when you factor in movement and command to both sides of the plate. Potential 70 pitch if the velocity develops.
Changeup 55 future 65, curve 40 future 60, slider 40 future 40.
Throw in plus pitchability and you have a future no. 2 starter IMO.
Yeah, that Maddux guy was a decent 4/5
but I wouldn’t want him starting Game 1, ya know? Not enough zip on the FB…
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
oh come on
I obviously don’t think Lyles is the next Maddux…I was merely trying to illustrate that velo isn’t everything
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Really?
Here are some of the pitchers with velocity sitting below 92mph this year:
Below 92mph:
Chris Carpenter
Chad Billingsley
Tim Lincecum
Jake Peavy
Matt Cain
Adam Wainwright
Dan Haren
Key phrase being "this year"
Lyles was also pitching in a relief appearance where velocity jumps about 2-3MPH. He’s a good prospect, but I don’t see an elite one.
Velocity doesn't jump 2-3mph in a relief appearance for starting pitchers.
That may be true for relief pitchers, but I think you’ll find that for most starters, first inning velocity doesn’t differ much from average velocity. Many starting pitchers take an inning or two to reach their peak velocity, in fact, then taper off again toward the end of their start. It just depends on the player.
So anyway, let’s explore the career average velocities of some no. 1/no. 2 starting pitchers. (I don’t think Lyles will be an ace without significant improvement to his fastball or secondary stuff, but I think a low end no. 2 is very possible.)
Roy Halladay: 92.1mph
Yovani Gallardo: 92.0mph
Chad Billingsley: 91.7mph
Chris Carpenter: 91.6mph
Jake Peavy: 91.6mph
Dan Haren: 91.3mph
Javier Vasquez: 91.1mph
John Lackey: 91.1mph
Tim Hudson: 90.9mph
Adam Wainwright: 90.5mph
James Shields: 90.4mph
Derek Lowe: 88.4mph
This is a skewed sample. That’s intentional; I’m just trying to make a point, not do a scientific study.
Velocity matters, but some of you guys are overstating its importance, and overestimating the average velocity of starting pitchers in the majors leagues. Very few starters throw harder than 93mph on average; much fewer than there are teams in MLB.
Lyles could be an exception
but generally speaking in these types of settings we see starters get an extra MPH or two on their fastball because they’re only throwing 1 inning so they don’t have to hold anything back.
http://bullpenbanter.com
Indeed
Here’s just one major league example:
John Smoltz:
2002: 95.1
2003: 95.2
2004: 95.3
2005: 92.3
2006: 92.7
Yes there are more things to pitching than velocity, but you have to one hell of a pitcher to be more than a mid-rotation guy and be sitting in the high 80s.
okay
So what’s the hardest that Greg Maddux ever threw?
Okay, fine, please excuse my joking reference
Lyles is not a premium prospect because he doesn’t light up the gun. That said, he locates, he changes speeds, and he does it without a lot of effort, and as an Astros fan w/ very low expectations, I’ll take it.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
You stick by your guns, man!
Keep hope alive. He’s got time to add velo since he’s young for his level, right?
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Ha!
We’ll see if Eury Perez gets in the game. He’s even more all-defense no offense for lowA-Nats.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
OMG
I didn’t realize it was today and went and saw CJ Wilson become the first pitcher to walk Miguel Tejada 3 times in the same game (so frustrating). Can anyone tell me what Castro and Noesi looked like? Velocity and secondary stuff?
Castro bombed and didnt pay attention to noesi
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Noesi...
Agrreed. Really curious how he was throwing.
by Franchise887 on Jul 11, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Grant Green RBI single..
Wish I got a better look at him. Jumped on the 2nd pitch.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
My guess is he realized he had a bad grip on the ball on his initial throw attempt
Lee’s had some issues with throws in his career.
by Outshined_One on Jul 11, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Lee had it actually
looked like it bounced a little in his glove… but i don’t think it hit the ground
SHELBY
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Apparently, the Nyjer Morgan oversliding virus has spread to other Nats' prospects.
Yuck. [facepalm]
For those who were commenting above on why the World Team sucks. Perez is probably exhibit A. They probably asked the Nats for our best upside positional international prospect to represent us and the best we could come up with is C+ prospect at best Eury Perez. Ramirez, Hood, and maybe even Higley are all ahead of him in his own outfield.
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announcers falling over themselves with praise for Miller
Can’t blame them, stuff looks awesome. Needs some refinements that will help with control.
agreed
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Shelby had a 94MPH fastball going
one curve i saw was not great and was 78(?)
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
Just hope we can see a tough throw
His arm is the biggest question mark I have about him sticking at SS
Plenty
His arm looked good on that play. Quick hands, and good instincts. Liked him holding onto the ball on the Perez Baltimore chop too.
Feliz is going to eventually start for the Rangers, right?
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oh yes. of course.
Why would you ever think any different?
Neftali Feliz could be 35 years old and the Rangers will probably say they still think he’ll be a starter one day.
I'd like to see him start for a couple seasons
He sucks than back to the bullpen
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I see him as a closer
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello Y10
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubt it
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by Kinslerhomer on Jul 11, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG Theo….
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
hate is a strong word
but Im not his biggest fan
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said hate
I just think he is strongly over-rated.
Renteria, Drew, Lugo, Diasuke, Smoltz, Penny, Gagne, Beckett…..
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i still don't understand
the drew hate
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
I dont hate Drew, I actully like him, but it is widely considered a bad move.
I never hated JD, I always liked him
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
See I actively hate Drew, but think he’s been a solid enough signing all things considered.
I agree he’s a media darling to some extent, but he’s definitely one of the better GMs in the game. I’m not talking about you in particular, but I think it’s funny how a good chunk of Boston fans have turned on Theo when he continually fields a 90+ win team and has won 2 World Series in 7 (I think?) years on the job.
I know why you hate Drew!
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I’ll give you Renteria, Lugo, and Daisuke as “mistakes,” and the Beckett deal was something of a head scratcher. But Smoltz, Penny and Gagne were calculated gambles that failed — nothing ventured, nothing gained essentially.
yeah, but he still screwed them up
if he were the GM of a low-market team he could not afford these mistakes, he is a product of Boston
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Theo talking to J.P.
Did anybody else see Theo trying to hide a smirk?
yes, lol
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
2 More players added to all star roster
That makes like 80 all stars this year
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who?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah, I saw Kuo
but wasnt Furcal added a few days ago now?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw knonerko
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
is it because Youkalis doesnt want to risk injury or something?
Because I thought he would have been the one replacing Morneau
Konerko has better numbers
If Beltre cnat play look for Youk
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and HR
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
you listen to Theo too much
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Are you aware that Youk has a better OBP (more important than BA) than Konerko?
Are you aware that Youk has better Slugging percentage (more important than HRs numbers) than Konerko?
do you just hate me? you seem to just critisize me
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 12, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Verlander and someone else
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
CC?
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Replacing Sabathia right?
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by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jul 11, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Verlander? I didnt see that
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And Bailey..
Replacing Cahill and Weaver.
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Andrew bailey?
Damn, why cant Bard make it?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oh ok
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
what can I say
He’s clearly not All Star material.
that is such a joke
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
HUGE
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole All-star thing this year is a huge joke
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing new - It's a joke every year.
I don’t care what Bud Selig tells us, it’s nothing more than an exhibition game.
by Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
so agree
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Only the players who play in it deserve to be called an all-star
Even though it is an exhibition game
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
just about to say that...fantastic
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Bryan Morris got screwed
Only 1 pitch
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agreed
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Piementel! ;)
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
joke
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not here
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Conger
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
totaly
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone here going to be watching the FIL Championships?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
ok
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
do you even know what it is?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed that one.
Hope he’s up by 2012, but Espinosa needs to pick it up in the second half. Got to believe both he and Marrero will start at Syracuse next year barring disaster.
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I don't know what's better
The fact that 14 year old looking Hak Ju Lee has some kind of tattoo in a foreign language on his arm, or the fact that he’s one of the few people in the U.S. who has a legitimate reason to have such a tattoo.
He seriously looks like a 14 year old girl.
by Outshined_One on Jul 11, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
in the spirit of "men who look like old lesbians"
we need a “ballplayers that look like little girls” website
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Josh Reddick
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
and if we change it to "ballplayers that throw like little girls"
we could throw Jordan Lyles in there. ZING!
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LOL
and Johnny Damon
somehow as a woman, I feel I should be insulted by this…
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
current top 50 rough draft
1. Domonic Brown
2. Dustin Ackley
3. Julio Teheran
4. Desmond Jennings
5. Mike Trout
6. Jeremy Hellickson
7. Mike Moustakas
8. Wil Myers
9. Aroldis Chapman
10. Zach Britton
11. Jesus Montero
12. Mike Montgomery
13. Martin Perez
14. Tyler Matzek
15. Shelby Miller
16. Matt Moore
17. Brett Lawrie
18. Kyle Gibson
19. Aaron Hicks
20. Dee Gordon
21. Michael Pineda
22. Lonnie Chisenhall
23. Jacob Turner
24. Freddie Freeman
25. Logan Morrison
26. Mike Minor
27. Eric Hosmer
28. Casey Kelly
29. Derek Norris
30. Jarred Cosart
31. Brett Wallace
32. John Lamb
33. Nick Weglarz
34. Kyle Drabek
35. Jordan Lyles
36. Chris Withrow
37. Simon Castro
38. Grant Green
39. Hak-Ju Lee
40. Miguel Sano
41. Jonathan Singleton
42. Austin Romine
43. Donovan Tate
44. Arodys Vizcaino
45. Fabio Martinez-Mesa
46. Alex Colome
47. Tony Sanchez
48. Nick Franklin
49. Wilmer Flores
50. Randall Delgado
d'oh
missed him… thats why its a rough draft… not sure yet where he’d place. he’s definitely top 50 though, 4 sho
Dave....
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 12, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
....were you not the guy who said Ackley doesn't deserve to be a top 10 spect?
also matt moore at 16 is excessive…. so is dee gordon at #20
no willin rosario ?
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 12, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No Casey Kelly?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I missed it
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Good list but exclusion of BJax
and inclusion of Fabio and Franklin are my only problems
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, wheres Kalish?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
or Iglesias?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
not top 50 yet to me
i was aggressive with him before… had him higher than pretty much everyone… he’s about in that same range i guess. 55-75
Ackley is way too high, he would be in the 20's for me
Where will he play and does he has 10 HR pop or 20 HR pop. If not then I would like Kipnis more than him due to the ability to play 2nd and hit for pop.
About to say the same thing.
and Trout could be top-3
Horrible
would rather them trade Davis
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
thats crazy
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
How many years would Hart be under their control?
That seems to crazy, though. How can we get the Rays into the Adam Dunn sweepstakes?
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I would trade cahill, bailey + prospects for fielder and bush
MIL is looking for cost controlled pitching. They can build around gallardo, cahill
Have you seen their offense?
Plus carter’ taylor doesnt look to be ready tilllate 2011 if at all
So the A’s are going to deal two young, cost-controlled All-Star pitchers for 1+ year of an expensive Fielder (and a pretty-much-useless Dave Bush?
Beane couldn’t hang up the phone quick enough.
by Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
AND the A’s are including prospects?
LOLZ.
by Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a chance.
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That'd be dumb
But I hope the Rays do it instead of the Braves! Hart isn’t worth a Top 50 prospect to me
I want the Red Sox to get him, just not at a high price
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He's going to cost the Sox
Kelly and maybe more, The Brewers are asking for too much IMO but someone is going to be dumb and give it up.
+1
Well replace Braves with Giants, but yeah, I’m not a Hart fan.
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That's crazy
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Is this just JP blowing smoke about World kids being behind?
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A little exaggerated
but they don’t have nearly as much of an opportunity to play as often or against quality opponents as often as kids state-side
would you trust anything this man has to say about baseball?
Few GMs have ever done such a complete job of wrecking a team at every possible level. About the only way he could have been worse was if he had accidentally lost the Jays to the Russian mafia in a poker game. Which didn’t happen . . .as far as we know.
Look at Bill Bavasi
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
here is the tweet about Hart
RT @ChiTribRogers – #Rays appear to be getting serious about #Brewers’ Corey Hart. TB has pitching to trade with Jeremy Hellickson ready.
They should trade Davis
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 11, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thems appear to be straight.
Trout and Hosmer ain’t impressed.
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Teheran was this
And he’s 150ish, Familia is more solidly built but that is some gas though.
TROUT
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go fish
I haven’t put together a fulltop prospects list yet, but based on process of elimination of guys I had above him he’d be in the top 2. But is he top 2 or top 1? Hmm . . .
I would have him at 3
after Hellboy and Brown graduate i would have him number 1. Even after a signing of Bryce Harper
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
His defense is suspect
But he’s fast and can freakin hit!
pretty ridiculous player
Just try grading this guy on the 20-80 scale, and then realize that you’d grade him up for his feel for the game and his great makeup.
Hosmer can freakin' hit
Probably the most impressive “pure hitter” on the day for me
Royals
If the can continue to hoard their prospects they are going to be very good really soon.
Keep thinking about Gordon huh
He stll has a chance to be really good as well to go along with Moose, Hosmer, Montgomery, Crow, etc. The Royals are set for the future.
fixed this for you
If they can continue to hoard their prospects they have a chance at being league average in another 3-4 years.
+1
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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Eury Perez says "All I need to do is hit against Scheppers and I can play, coach!"
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Reminds me of henry rodriguez
Straight FB, high velocity.
And he topped out at 101 mph too
I might be in the minority here
But he doesn’t remind me of Henry Rodriguez.
Re:
I wasn’t that impressed. Obviously he throws hard but the World guys didn’t seem to have too much trouble with him — so it must be pretty straight. Reminded me a bit of Matt Lindstrom…
I didn't get to watch the game
Was it the velocity that made your jaw drop? What did you think of his curve? Are you going to be able to get out and seehim sometime if they don’t pull him up to the Rangers bullpen?
yeah, awesome velocity
Curve showed promise. Some noted the lack of movement but 99 thrown for a strike works for me. Would be interested to see if as a starter he cuts the velocity and gets more life.
As for whether or not I’ll be able to see him . . .iffy, but you never know. I’m a long way from OKC. Texas League stuff is going to take priority though.
The best part about Scheppers
is he didn’t start pitching until late. He pitced his senior year of high school, then went to Fresno State as a shortstop. His freshman year there he ended up pitching 15 innings as a reliever. His sophomore year he threw 93 innings, then 70 innings as a junior, 19 for St. Paul, and 50 so far for the Rangers. So he has all of 247 innings at the collegiate level or higher. He really is just learning how to pitch. It is impressive how quickly he is improving, especially his curve.
this is an often overlooked point, even by Rangers fans
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Scheppers curve looked good
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101mph
makes strasburg jealous
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best futures game i've seen
last year was boring. can’t remember how entertaining the previous years were…but i remember not watching the whole game. the teams were just loaded this year
Maybe
because the 2009 version featured more impact pitching. I recall being pretty impressed with Kelly, Drabek, Bumgarner, Latos, Tillman and Parker on the U.S. and Chacin, Feliz and Mejia on the World. That’s nine pitchers last year, and I’d have trouble naming more than four or five I was really knocked out by in this year’s edition.
by blackoutyears on Jul 13, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They could move the LF to the infield.
Hernandez ain’t getting around on this dude.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Well great game
Good to see these pitchers and hittrs actually play. And Conger is gonna be MVP
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
You're right...
They gave it to Conger (although Hosmer was probably more deserving).
by Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet she would let him
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be too if i were born in Federal Way, Washington
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
erin andrews makes 7 figures as a sideline reporter...wow
ESPN couldnt find cheaper eye candy and save money
she does?
damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, she’s now that much hotter!
by BryceHarper on Jul 11, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
keep an open mind
kind of a cop out answer but i’ve always thought it’d be fun to go to a game where i know nothing about anyone.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
is anybody else wondering if John got to see the game?
He drove 250 miles to Iowa City to see Logan Morrison . . .not realizing that Morrison was in the Futures Game . . .and then missed the Futures Game blogging craziness.
He did see it
look at his twitter updates
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant the Futures Game
I saw his Twitter updates from Iowa.
Peter Gammons tweeting about Trout
From Futures:Mike Trout plays for Angels next year. Scioscia thinking sooner
Uh, ok
lol
Last year, he said that the Red Sox will promote C Tim Federowicz to the big club straight from High A for “his ability to throw base stealers”
yeah to be in MVP in AAA
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 12, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally getting a real chance to watch the game
Only the first two innings so far, but here is what I noticed:
Conger moves pretty well behind the plate and did a good job of blocking pitches. His arm looked pretty good too when he tried to catch Rosario straying off 1B. The throw to 2B on the SB attempt wasn’t good, but I figure Rosario’s interference had a lot to do with that.
Noesi’s curve didn’t look very sharp to me at all. I need to go back and look for his changeup, the announcers talked it up a good bit but off the top of my head I don’t remember seeing one. Velocity was solid on the FB.
Isn’t Castro a guy mentioned as not having a starter’s build? I didn’t really see that to be honest. I was expecting him to be smaller based on those comments. Does look like he could do some extra work strengthening his legs.
Can we get some announcers who know something about these guys next year? I know some people find KLaw to be pretentious, but he has knowledge about these guys. My favorite comments were the one about whether the Royals would play Moustakas at SS or 3B, Sutcliffe’s comment about Cumberland and Noesi facing each other since they’re both in AA(totally different leagues, not likely to face off again until the bigs), and finally the one about the Angels looking for more offense behind the plate. I don’t get to sit down and watch too many games anymore, and when I do I’m usually doing something else and tuning the announcers out. Today I was totally focused on the game and was so irritated by the commentary. One more hilarious comment, the 84 MPH “fastball” Castro threw…just wow.
http://bullpenbanter.com
castro
He’s just really gangly. I think his biggest problem starting-wise is that (as you’ve probably been able to tell) his delivery requires strong balance and coordination. I’m not sure the command is ever going to be consistently excellent with him.
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