MiLB 6/29
AAA
AA
Stephen Fife
A+
Brad Holt
Graham Stoneburner
A
Robinson Lopez
A-ss
Madison Younginer
K-Law updated his top 25 prospects, Insiders Only though
Some notes from it though
* Mike Trout moving way up
*He's still in love with Casey Kelly
*Jarred Cosart now top 25
*Michael Pineda sneaks in as well
*Says Mike Montgomery would be ranked if not for injury
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Instead of posting a new thread:
20 team dynasty league
7×7 add walks, doubles+triples, holds, and quality starts.
I own Heyward, but just got offered Crawford for him straight up. My initial reaction is no, but I wanted to get some other thoughts.
Crawford isn’t extremely young (turns 29 in August), but he has a handful of prime years left. The trouble here is the majority of speed first guys have short primes. My feelings toward Heyward are obviously that he can be an elite hitter, but Crawford already is.
I have a shot to win this year, but have recently been hit with a serious injury bug (Pedroia, Heyward, Harden, Felipe Paulino).
Should I do it or hold onto Heyward?
I'd say no.
Crawford is an elite hitter in almost all leagues. The problem here is that his value comes almost exclusively from stolen bases. In most leagues, that’s fine. In yours, it’s one of seven categories, which makes him significantly less valuable. Heyward, OTOH, is likely to contribute across all seven categories.
In leagues like yours, I love picking dominant setup guys (for holds) and then trading them once they get the closer job. One-category players are just not as valuable as you move away from 5×5.
Crawford would be pretty elite in doubles+triples too, right?
His batting average and runs are also important. A lot of people overvalue home runs, and since the extra categories in his league are not something like OPS, Crawford isn’t really penalized for those extra categories.
That said, it’s a hard decision to make. It would depend on if I thought those SB would win my the title or not, and without seeing the standings that’s a judgment call you’ll have to make yourself, smk.
Actually, no
If you want to call 45 doubles+triples elite (about 25 guys get there a year) then Crawford’s only gotten there once since 2005. He also hasn’t topped 100 runs since then.
In this guy’s league, Crawford is similar in value to, say, a Shane Victorino. If you’d want to trade Heyward for a Victorino, go for it.
Law on Moustakas
Law mentioned Moustakas’s Home/Road splits and as a keeper league owner of his, I’ve been paying attention to it also. His splits are as follows:
Home: .421/.475/.865 12/14 BB/K
Road: .230/.319/.420 11/24 BB/K
These splits are borderline ridiculous. He’s still only got 100 ABs or so at each so it could normalize a little with a larger sample. His road split is much closer to his previous performance and I’m wondering if his breakout isn’t being fueled in large part by the favorable home environment. NW Arkansas’s park was new in 2008 and Clint Robinson this year (1.200 Home vs. .758 Road OPS) is the only other Royals player to go through there to have a big enough split to notice so it could be a fluke. Does anyone else think the prospect community is overreacting to Moustakas’ s breakout? Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s improved but I think for a lot if not most people view him as a top 15 or 20 prospect now and I’m not sure if we’re not being fooled by the home park a little. Thoughts?
WOW
geez. I didn’t realize this at all. I think you temper the expectations a bit. What are his home/road homeruns like?
Totally different power at home than away
14 homers and 14 doubles at home
4 homers and 7 doubles away
His HR/FB at home absolutely destroys his HR/FB on the road.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
14 Home/4 Road
His BAPIP is high (.398) at home and low (.264) on the road but that doesn’t explain the HR numbers or the plate discipline.
HR friendly home park
Doesn’t really explain the split in doubles
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Wow is right!
that is crazy, I had no idea.
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I would bet that it's mostly a fluke
But we shall find out sometime, probably.
Park
The NW Arkansas park plays completely neutral in the Texas league. Anybody who tries to discredit his numbers in anyway based on his home/road splits has no idea what they are talking about.
Evan Longoria
Had some pretty un even splits to. I think Moose will be fine. The sample size is too small to really get to caught up in IMO.
Flores
back at it again.
2-4 run
Now batting .462 in 6 games, small sample size of course, but for an 18 yr old in High A, I am damn impressed.
What do people think about Flores as the centerpiece of a Lee deal?
It would seem that Mejia isn’t particularly likely to be dealt after the injury, and most reports have Jon Niese and Ike Davis as off-limits because of their roles on the big league team.
Flores is clearly one of the better prospects in the game, but would that be too much to give up for a half-year of Lee and a couple draft picks?
I’m just skeptical that the Mets can build a Lee-worthy package without including one of the four guys I mentioned above. Otherwise, what would an offer really look like? Fernando Martinez (who’s struggling in the minors right now), one of Ruben Tejada and Reese Havens, a pitcher like Kyle Allen, Jeurys Familia or Brad Holt, and a throw-in?
I think that an offer based around Flores would be something that the Mariners would be pretty interested in. I know that they’re loaded with IF talent, but Flores’ bat projects better than any of those guys with the exception of Ackley, and he’s a guy that might end up in the outfield anyways.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Shoot, I was talking about Flores, not Ackley, sorry if that wasn't clear
I’ve heard that Ackley’s transition to second has been relatively slow, but most scouts believe that he’s more than capable of being solid there.
Flores, on the other hand, may be destined for the outfield if he can’t stick at third base.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ack
In the preseason, plenty of scouts were skeptical of him being able to move to second, but now, the transition seems to be slow, but steady at the same time. I’d be surprised if he didn’t break the majors at 2B at this point.
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Not saying you were arguing otherwise, just throwing out my opinion.
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Ah, my bad
I do think Flores will be fine at third, though — and with his speed (or lack thereof), he’d probably be a liability in the OF, as well.
All singles
So far
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Gary Sanchez
1 for 1, HR, 2 walks so far.
Hitting .440 with 3 HRs and 4:5 BB/K so far.
Because the Yankees needed another Montero…
Not to mention that Romine was listed as one of three guys that just missed Law's updated Top-25
And he’s currently thriving in Double-A with solid K/BB numbers as a 21-year-old. The Yankees’ catching depth is pretty impressive.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Second only to the Jays I would say.
"Hitting the ball was easy. Running around the bases was the tough part."- Micky Mantle
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jun 29, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and I think that you could reasonably take the Yankees' group over Toronto's, too.
I’m guessing you saw that Marc Hulet piece on FanGraphs yesterday comparing the catching depth in the two systems, yes?
The Jays definitely have the advantage at the lower levels, where they have Travis d’Arnaud, Carlos Perez, and A.J. Jimenez, but I’m not convinced that offsets the Yankees’ advantage with Montero/Romine compared to Arencibia/Jeroloman, though.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. That is the article.
They both have tremendous depth at the position. As the article suggests though, if Montero has to move off Catching it changes things. As it stands though Arencibia is a better all around catching prospect than Montero, with Montero having a much higher offensive ceiling.
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by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jun 29, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Arencibia is a worse prospect than Montero, but if we’re purely talking about this from a catching standpoint, then Arencibia is far more likely to become a good MLB catcher than Montero, even though Montero is more likely to become a good MLB player.
Until Montero is forced off the position, though, I’d take the Yankees’ group. That is, unless I’d absolutely have to use these guys at catcher. It’s just that if one of these guys can succeed in the majors without sticking at catcher, it’d be Montero.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't argue with that.
Alot of the value with the Jays catching depth comes from their defensive abilities. There is also no doubt that if we are talking strictly offense and star power than Montero gives the Yanks an edge.
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by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jun 29, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
Jeroloman is a defensive stud and Perez is projected as one, too.
Teams in need of catching depth should come calling the Blue Jays soon, Jeroloman could probably play in the big leagues pretty soon with his plate discipline and defense.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
10 dollars says...
That John created 2 new accounts in order to rec his latest post!
Good for you
I’m not entirely sure that turambar was being serious, though. Incorrect use of facts. 10 points deducted.
Fantasy related question
but who would you prefer long term? Peguero or Davidson?
Davidson has a higher ceiling in a premium position.
Peguero has shown he can hit higher level pitching.
I know Davidson is viewed as a 1B as well.
That shouldn’t change his status too much.
I'm guessing you're talking about Seattle's Carlos Peguero, right?
Because I’d take Davidson.
Peguero has shown that he can hit Double-A pitching, but at the same time, he’s really only shown that he can hit Double-A right-handed pitching, his numbers are greatly fueled by his BABIP, and his strikeout rate is still at 32.5%, which is a big problem. Not to mention that he’s slowed down big-time since the big start in April.
I’m not buying on Peguero, he honestly just looks like a guy that can feast on bad RHP, but he can’t hit lefties and he’ll likely have trouble against more advanced competition.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry should have been more specific
Though I’m not sure the other Peguero will do much hitting. ;)
I agree. Much of Carlos’ numbers are skewed by his splits, and the K rate is a big red flag, even though Davidson has a pretty scary K rate as well.
Yeah, but in context Peguero's K's are a far bigger problem
Davidson has a 27% K rate as a 19-year-old in Single-A.
Peguero has a 32% K rate as a 23-year-old in Double-A.
Davidson’s K rate isn’t nearly as scary as Peguero’s.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Carlos Peguero
is not a good prospect. Heads-up against Davidson it’s not even close. Peguero shouldn’t sniff anyone’s top-500 let alone top-100 prospect list.
I've been having a debate with a friend about these 5 MiLB SP's:
How would you rank the following:
David Phelps
Felix Doubront
Trey McNutt
Chris Archer
Brad Hand
Hmmm..
Hand, Archer, Mcnutt, Doubront, Phelps
McNutt then Hand
The Nutt and Hand go together.
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 29, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Although
Doubront could slide all the way to the 2 spot. Those three are really clustered for me.
David Lough and Kirk Nieuwenhuis
What’s your take on both?
Thanks
LOUGH
i’ll comment since i’ve seen him more than a few times this year. fast guy, generally regarded as a pretty good outfielder and looked good in CF to me. short stroke w/ pull power. is not patient at the plate though, often swings at first pitches and gets fooled by good breaking stuff. i think if he had a more passive approach at the plate, he could be a pretty damn good CF in the majors. but that’s going to hold him back unless he changes.
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GCL Braves
Matt Lipka: 1-3 2B 2RBI 2BB
Zeke Spruill: 1IP 1H 2GO/0FO (1st rehab start)
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Not me
They’ve been too aggressive with their prospects for years. Anthopolous wanted to slow things down.
He will be there very soon
Brisker needs to be put back in rookie ball
Rangers and A's high A teams were on mlb network this morning
some thoughts on a few players.
No radar gun, but pimentel had a nice fastball. He looked aggressive on the mound.
Hornbeck tall lefty reminds me a bit of JA Happ.
Engel Beltre looks like a future star, tons of athleticism.
Grant Green, needs top ut on some weight but love the bat speed. Hit a 2 run hr.
Felix, catcher decent bat, great defensive tools Probably rangers catcher of the future
Jeremy Barfield- 6’5" OF, looks like a plus arm in RF. Line drive swing through the zone, lets hope he puts that size to use and hits for more power.
Tim murphy, nice breaking ball, his avg FB has increased in the bullpen. If he keeps his control in check, could be a mlb claiber lefty reliever.
Paul Smyth- I wouldnt be shocked if he’s in the majors by mid 2011. His stuff sinks w/ lots of movement. Slider is untouchable vs righties. Surprisingly a sidearmer does even better vs lefties.
He's supposed to be starting on July 7th
Not sure where I heard that but I distinctly remember that was the plan when he started his minor league rehab. Doesn’t look like there have been any setbacks so it seems reasonable to expect that to happen.
Of course with him starting today, that sure seems like a weird schedule between starts, so maybe the plan has changed.
John Lamb
4IP 6H 1R (0ER) 1BB 7K
A few of the hits sounded like cheapies. He was pulled after 4 due to a high pitch count…
gonna make it real hard to keep him in Wilmington the rest of the year...
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Desmond Jennings
2/3 so far with a HR. Kid is locked in right now.
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Ryan Kalish
2/3, missed some time due to an oblique strain.
He’ll be an excellent JD Drew replacement.
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I like Kalish a hell of a lot
Hasn’t had a smooth transition to the IL yet, but I think he figures it out by the end of the year.
status quo
Patient hitters seem to struggle more on promotions initially.
Aggressive hitters seem to flourish until pitchers figure them out.
That's been his MO
so I’m with you on him figuring things out.
Josh Bell goes booyah!
2/4, 2 HRs, 6 RBIs
Its about god damn time.
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Question
Does anyone think that there is a chance Miggy T will get moved by the deadline that will allow Bell to take over 3B towards the final quarter of the season?
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good chance
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by fourfingerwoo on Jun 29, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubtful
This it the Orioles we are talking about. I bet they give Miggy a 4 year extension. ;)
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 29, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If they trade Miggy
Wigginton will probably shift to third and they’ll call up either Hughes or Aubrey form Norfolk to play 1B.
Who wants Tejada anyway?
by Jordan Tuwiner on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Re:
I mentioned this a few weeks ago but his K/BB coming into today was 19/1. Yes, 19/1. The MLB record is held by Brett Saberhagen at 11/1. Coming into tonight, Jered Weaver was second in the AL with just below 5/1.
Here’s another way to look at it — on the season Lee has as many complete games (5) as walks allowed (5). That’s a pretty incredible stat at this point in the season.
I think thats pretty increadible no matter what
Hope we get a good haul for him, Either in trades or in draft picks.
by Marinerfanjake on Jun 29, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Chad jenkins
7ip, 5h, 1r, 1bb, 5ks
impressive gb/fb, 13-3
Looks like he's starting to settle
at the new level. Him and Alvarez give Dunedin a strong 1-2 and Tepera/Carreno haven’t been bad either.
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Rick Porcello
6 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 3 K
Doesn’t look like a great line, as he ran into trouble in the 5th where he gave up a 4 spot.
12:1 GB:FO is nice, tho.
Rx
i think he should be given the rest of the season in AAA to work things out in a low stress environment.
I agree
Then when his AAA season is over give him a few starts in September.
by OraNge DusTT on Jun 29, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
While they're at it...
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either.
by royshowell on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
awful
Way to show a prospect you lack faith in his ability to adjust.
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It’s not like they have anyone that would be better necessarily either.
…and, for the record, I think NH has done a pretty good job. He has done some behind the scenes things as well, like new scouting director, starting a statistical analysis department, etc. Every once in a while I read an article about internal changes he has made to the organization, the Pirates are better off because of NH even if they fire him because trades/drafts don’t pan out.
I've heard that this is false and that he is starting today
So there are conflicting reports, probably should wait and see
Lawrie
2-3 hbp – run/rbi
hitting .375 in June
more impressive are the decline in k’s:
April – 28k’s/11bb’s in 88ab’s
May – 27k’s/10bb’s in 114ab’s
June – 12k’s/5bb’s in 115ab’s
Question
Where is Randal Grichuk at? Haven’t heard or seen anything on him.
by Marinerfanjake on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
Thats what i thought, I knew i saw him in MWL scoreboards
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by Marinerfanjake on Jun 29, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Brett Jackson
2-5 R, BB, 2K
Josh Vitters 0-4 BB, K
Dustin Ackley 2-4 2B BB (AVG up to .258)
Alex Liddi 0-4 3K
Carlos Triunfel 1-4 2B, RBI K
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jun 29, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
Edwin Encarnacion
3-3 2B, HR 6RBI in the 4th inning so far.
Who woulda thought he would put up big numbers in the PCL? Ahah
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by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jun 29, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
Max Stassi
2-5 2B RBI
Vincent Catricala 1-3 2R BB K
James Jones 1-4 RBI 2K
Gabriel Noriega 0-4 3K
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jun 29, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
alright, who is a Man on Fire right now!??!
No, Not Denzel.
Jerry Sands. Another game, another XBH. Dude made the jump from low A to AA and he’s hitting like he’s still in the Midwest League.
today: 2-4 hr bb k.
in 5 AA games, 19AB 464avg 4HR 2bb 5k
obviously, small sample size, but the dude can slug. 22 yr old slugging in AA…he’s turning into a legit prospect.
Kyle Seager
3-3 2 2B RBI R
Denny Almonte 1-3
Rich Poythress 0-3 2K (SHould probably promote him soon since he’s having a solid season and Dennis Raben is also hitting well since being called up)
Matt Tuiasosopo 3-5 R
Mike Carp 0-3 BB K
Greg Halman 1-2 2B RBI R 2BB ,K
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jun 30, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
Bad day for Fife.
Fife -5.0 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 3 BB, 1 SO, 1 HR.
Rizzo – 1-4, HR, 2 RBIs
Noesi – 7 IP, 5 H, 0 BB, 4 SO
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Freddie Freeman
This dude has been beastly since returning from his knee injury! His has ten games he’s hitting .359/.422/.615/1.038, his YTD OPS is above the 800 mark for the first time this season at .811.
Tonight he was 2-5, 2B(against Porcello), HR, K, 3RBI, many here had jumped off the band wagon because of his slow start but he’s back on track now and doing this in AAA.
He's good
… but you know someone will pop up soon saying he has a “bad body” and a “weak hit tool” because he’s not hitting like Pujols.
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by criminal type on Jun 30, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anybody would say that
Last I checked, he was getting solid reviews for his defensive work at 1B, and I’ve never seen anybody describe him as a “weak” hitter. Surprised that he needed a ten game streak like this just to put his OPS over .800.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that he’s “back on track” . . .he has a history of streaky performance, and for a 1B who doesn’t project to hit for big power, that concerns me. I think he’ll probably be a solid hitter all things put together, but that might not impress enough at 1B.
Tyler Matzek
5.2 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 3 BB, 7 SO.
Needs to cut down on the walks
I really really really like him, He needs to succeed
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by Marinerfanjake on Jun 30, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
fun question
Would take 2007 Kershaw’s FB/BB combo over 2010 Matzek’s, but every time I look at Matzek’s scouting reports and video I can’t help but think that Matzek is going to have a 55-60 CH whenever he decides to really put some work into it.
Perez
Which would you take out of Matzek, Kershaw, and Perez all at the same age since you just watched Perez pitch?
also a fun question
If you asked ten real scouts this question (using 2007 Kershaw), I bet each player would get at least three votes. Part of the answer is going to depend on how much you’re attached to traditional scouting, as Perez suffers from “small pitcher bias”.
Personally I don’t care very much about that. Would go Perez, Kershaw, Matzek in that order.
Matzek
compared to C Withrow he had -3 walks this game.
by Rupert Pupkin on Jun 30, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Rangers
Jake Skole: 0-4 BB
Drew Robinson: 1-4 2B
Braxton Lane: 0-3 BB 2K
Jurickson Profar: 1-4 RBI
Mike Olt 0-2 BB
Randol Rojas: 4.0IP 3H 2R 2ER 2BB 2K 0HR
Neil Ramirez: 5.0IP 12H 5R 5ER 1BB 3K 0HR
Miguel Velazquez: 2-5 2B 2RBI K
Carlos Pimentel: 5.1IP 6H 5R 5ER 2BB 5K 1HR
Engel Beltre: 2-5 SB K
Mitch Moreland: 0-3 BB K
Zach Phillips: 1IP 0H 0R 1BB 2K
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Olt
I’m pretty happy with his plate discipline so far. Certainly can’t complain about a 13% BB rate and a 15% K rate if he maintains anything close to that. Of course, we have to see him do it at a higher level later before I get excited.
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Chris Nelson
It really stinks as just when he was putting together a really great hot streak, he gets called up to never play. He barely ever gets a pinch hit or anything.
by auclairkeithbc on Jun 30, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
Jaff Decker
1-4 3B R RBI BB K
Last 10 games .333/.442/.694 good for a 1.136 OPS in 36 AB (7/8 BB/K)
Starting to round into form after spending the first month & a half on the DL. His numbers were terrible at the start but they could be explained by the head start the rest of the league had. Still striking out a bit too much but the walks have returned which is a good sign. He’s as many XBH in the last 10 games than he did in the first 25.
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