MiLB 6/21
by TFelsmaier on Jun 21, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
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Jeurys Familia
Trevor Furbush
Kyle Gibson- (one site has him starting, another doesn't)
Bradley Holt
Trevor May
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Gibson is now in the Eastern League
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+1
its not Gibson starting its Liam Hendriks, so there isn’t a less quality of a game for the FSL there….
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 21, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
SP Liam Hendriks so far in FSL
5 IP , 6 H , 0 ER , 0 BB , 6 K’s
dude is legitimate and leads all of Minors in WHIP
(I can’t believe the M’s haven’t targeted him in all those CLIFF LEE RUMORS going on)
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 21, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
he has dominated beloit and fort myers this year
might be time to test him soon in AA.
He’s a top 10 twins prospect I would think as of now.
by hotshotschamp on Jun 21, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
should also add
in his last 34 innings, he’s allowed 1 earned run.
by hotshotschamp on Jun 21, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Rather boring day
5 MORE YEARS OF FELIX!
Pedro Guerra
Most probably haven’t heard the name.
DSL pitcher of the year last year, and Twins prospect.
5 innings today, 1 hit, 0 er, 2 walks, 3 k’s in the GCL opener.
stats look good...
but why is he in his 4th year of rookie ball?
by Looney4baseball on Jun 21, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless Houston moves to the Cal League soon that won't go too well.
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It'll be fine
Guys with great plate discipline and defense tend to transition more smoothly, and that describes Castro to the T.
and a K
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by OldProspects on Jun 21, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wil Myers
just heard there is absolutely no plans to take him off catcher. said he started catching his senior year playing two times a week and is now playing it every day, and they knew there would be some bad games. Myers wants to catch too, for what that’s worth. said his bat could probably play anywhere but behind the plate he could be a superstar.
baseball rules.
by doublestix on Jun 21, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
JJ Picollo was on the radio here
lots of other good info too if anyone wants to listen. little hyperbolic but to be expected considering the source.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=26&c=373&f=52012
Quick rundown if you don’t wanna waste 30 minutes of the life:
considering a promotion for Hosmer - Moose working the count better, gets into better hitting counts to help utilize power — Montgomery out for 2-3 weeks, being careful but he’s checked out besides the soreness — Crow’s stuff awesome, command sucks — Lamb does everything well, won’t consider AA until August at earliest — Would have taken Chris Dwyer at #4 in this past draft — Melville needs more consistency, everything falls into place when pace of delivery is good — Duffy’s ETA to AA is mid-July, will pitch in some rookie ball games first.
baseball rules.
good stuff to hear
I believe NW Arkansas is visiting San Antonio in the first couple weeks of July, would love it if Hosmer is on the roster at that point.
Thanks
But why is the Hosmer comment deleted?
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Catcher
Again, there is no reason for a team like the Royals to move him off catcher. While his defense is currently raw (whose wouldn’t be after just taking over a new position) there isn’t any reason why he can’t be a plus catcher similar to Buster Posey who has a similar athletic profile and wasn’t always committed to being behind the dish because he played a ton of positions. Great news for Royals fans.
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Can I ask a slightly stupid question?
When we’re talking about catcher’s defense, I’m assuming we’re really talking about framing pitches, calling games, and blocking passed balls, correct? All this talk about catchers who are butchers behind the dish somewhat confuses me. If anyone wants to clarify this for me, I’ll give you a bent Edgardo Alfonzo card circa 1998
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Frederick0220
Defense
Those are all really important elements (though I would argue calling games is probably overrated unless its for a rookie.)
I don’t think your question is for me (because I’m not talking about butchers). However, there is also a great deal made about funneling the ball and pop times on throwing runners out. With his arm I’m convinced he can be an above average defender.
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Right, I get that
It’s just interesting, as the standard evaluations of fielders versus catchers would seem to be radically different, yet you don’t hear about this much
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Oh, and I fully agree
I think the most important thing to be a catcher is athleticism, which he has in bunches
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Agreed
Reactions, quickness, and explosiveness seem to be the characteristics I like for catcher defense
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Max Kepler
Highly touted prospect from europe signed last year, 17 year old from Germany. He went 3-5 today with a double and 3 RBI.
Everyone good with nicknaming him the Fuhrer?
Or we could call him Max Kepler’s big move. Either way
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While I'm not particularly offended, you probably want to stay away from the Nazi jokes...
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That's fair
For the record, I myself am jewish and my grandfather is a holocaust , so understand I meant no offense
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Nazi jokes
are only funny when Mel Brooks tells thwm
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by fourfingerwoo on Jun 22, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions
n/p
figured I’d give you a moderate response before someone flew off the handle!
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I wouldn't say it was offensive
But just an odd joke. What does Kepler have to do with Hitler? That they’re both associated with Germany?
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by OldProspects on Jun 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuhrer= leader or boss in german
Therefore, his nickname is translated to boss
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not certain yet.
He will be a while longer though in the DSL, that is forsure. He’s not in Fort Myers for the GCL season. It was written he would stay in the DSL for a bit longer at least.
I would assume maybe in a month he’ll come state side.
by hotshotschamp on Jun 21, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Max "The Laws of Planetary Motion" Kepler
or, Da Law for short
Too erudite
Unfortunately
"In the event of a significant release of oil, an accurate estimation of the spill's total volume . . . is essential in providing preliminary data to plan and initiate cleanup operations." - Page 2 of British Petroleum's regional plan for dealing with offshore oil leaks.
Funny, though
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by OldProspects on Jun 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It'd be better to simplify it
Just got with Kepler’s Law.
ie, “Kepler’s Law in effect today” or “he fought Kepler’s law, and Kepler’s law won”
Mix up your cliches and you are on your way to becoming a crappy sportswriter in no time!
I LOVE Kepler
Everything I hear about him I like him more. The German Mickey Mantle.
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it should be a mickey mantle related nic name
like phil rogers from chicago said on twitt
“Best looking position player prospect I’ve seen in Florida? Max Kepler, the 17-yr-old German OF with the Twins. Looks like a young Mantle.”
Talk about putting pressure on a kid lol
If he can drink like Mantle, then color me impressed
Otherwise, meh
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Phil Rogers' opinions
mean nothing
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by The Big Hurt on Jun 21, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
or...
get blowjobs like mantle during games.
Who has a better rest of 2010 season offensively?
Carlos Santana or Buster Posey?
I would vote Carlos Santana
Heyward’s HR/FB rate was really high early in the season and he’s not as hot. He’s also only 20 compared to Sanatana’s 24, and Santana’s extra experience in the high minors will let him adjust quicker. At least, that’s hot I see it.
Wouldn’t be surprised if I was wrong, though.
Depends what your lookings for
They each have a very different hitting profile. I’ll still take Santana’s combination of power and plate discipline, but Posey is fantastic line drive hitter. Additionally, if this is a fantasy question (which it seems like) I’d give extra consideration to Posey because he playing first and will get more AB then Santana (unless of of course Santana will be DH’d on his non-catcher days)
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Agreed
You really can’t go wrong with either. If you’re looking for numerical comps, I’ve used the cop out of Victor Martinez for Santana, and for Posey, often times I’ve said a la Paul Lo Duca in his prime
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Lo Duca
I think he’ll have more pop than Paul
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santana
he was always regarded as being the better offensive player of the two
Two Cubs pitchers of note pitching tonight
Chris Archer is scheduled to start for Daytona against Lakeland. Since May 1st, he’s been averaging around 11.3 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9. In June, those numbers have been a ridiculous 13.22 K/9 and 1.65 BB/9.
Austin Kirk is also starting for Boise.
Didn't want to create a fanpost on this
But Matt Davidson is someone who has completely shot up my personal list this year.
What is the consensus on him? What kind of player can he ultimately be?
Matty D
As Fredrick has called him,
Is huge kid with a wide base and even wider shoulders.6-3 225 with room to grow.
Maintains a solid 2 handed grip through his swing, using a lot of his lower body with a smooth head and hip rotation. Gets his hands inside on the ball . Is a strait away hitter routinely drives the ball well to CF/RCF.
He has a very solid build that hampers his lateral movement, this along with questionable arm strength and accuracy could make him destined for 1st base.
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by fourfingerwoo on Jun 21, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
RIP Fred.
Not literally that is, if you know what I mean.
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Possibly
I am unable to discuss these actions, since I do not wish to incriminate myself.
However, if you do intend to ask questions, or join the brigade (sp), please email me at my email address. which is casey, the second of three fragments of my user name. at gmail dot com.
No spaces.
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by cwhitman412 on Jun 21, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You Gotta Be Kidding Me
If he got banned, that’s absolutely ridiculous!
by BryceHarper on Jun 21, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhm...
Incriminated? Who are you? Part of a drug bust? If you’re being cute, then I guess it was an interesting attempt. But, if you’re serious, that is just ridiculous.
just a heads-up
I didn’t ban him, nor have I deleted any of his posts. I don’t believe John has done anything either, because usually when John steps in, it’s for a pretty obvious reason, and he’ll almost always give a “don’t do this”-esque sort of message along with it.
I’m also aware that you posted something earlier tonight about “planning something” or whatnot. I’ll be nice and just ask you not to do anything stupid. We don’t need shenanigans going on just because you happen to be bored. It’s been a good few weeks since the “Fred accidentally lets it slip that he thinks he’s responsible for people coming to Minor League Ball” debacle. Just . . .don’t.
by mrkupe on Jun 21, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, you banned him
Love this new regime on this site!!!!
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Well, It's Better Than Bush.
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What new regime?
It’s still John’s site, if Frederick got banned John would have to sign off on it.
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shut up
this stops now.
I banned Fred because he violated the rules, AGAIN. The only person who has the power to ban someone is me.
by John Sickels on Jun 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally
Thanks John.
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banning
Nobody ever gets banned for having an opinion.
They do get banned for violating the clearly-stated rules. Especially when they’ve had more than one warning. And especially when they try to violate the rules specifically when they think I’m not looking.
by John Sickels on Jun 23, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Pardon me?
John, why don’t you go ahead and just delete me from this site? I’m pretty certain I’m not one to be told shut up for voicing my opinion. Clearly, in your view, the “detracting” posts I write with only humor and levity intended far outweigh my analytical posts, comments, and contributions to this site. I’m not the kind of person who is going to say, “oh, I’m the reason people come to this site.” But I’m a damn good contributor, and I’d like to think a valued member of this community. However, clearly, this is not the case in your eyes. While I do enjoy the content on this website, the politics of being a member of a community where there exists an obvious clash between people who try not to take all of this stuff to seriously and those who find anything other than strict prospect discussion to be detrimental is not for me anymore. It’s the internet John, but then again, it is your site, and far be it for me to tell you how to run it.
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grow up
This act is getting so old.
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not to stir up anything
but really, are we talking federick 0220.
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by fourfingerwoo on Jun 22, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yessir
Our bestest fraaand.
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we neeed frederick back
he was great to this site…. maybe even somewhat just a little tinysy bit why i come to this site along with updates… we want fred back!
fred
Fred is a bright guy with good baseball insights, but he rejected/ignored multiple warnings to follow the forum rules and avoid vulgarity. It ramped up again after I told you guys I was taking a bit of time off. That was clearly deliberate, weiner and choad comments and other violations showing up when people thought I was not looking.
A quality troll mixes good posts with ones designed to disrupt the website. I have been too lenient with trolls in the past, and it hurt the site. My priority is to protect the interests of the site by enforcing the rules, so I did so. The decision was mine and mine alone.
I won’t answer any more questions about this topic. Let’s move on.
by John Sickels on Jun 23, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Carlos Perez
He’s apparently hit a grand slam tonight.
Brett Lorin, RHP, Grade C+:
sleeper prospect back from surgery, appears to be starting tonight; has struck out 4 in two innings, allowed one hit, a solo homer.
Play ball!
Rehab start in the GCL
And he pitched against another pitcher making his rehab start:
Manny Banuelos: 2IP 1H 1R 1BB 2K
People are going to jump on this bandwagon so fast
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true
but it’s nice to see him starting off well. I would temper my enthusiasm until I see some Kane County numbers.
by asyouwish33 on Jun 21, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Starts to build?
Kevin Goldstein was championing Ynoa as a once in a generation talent upon signing with the A’s. This was the year that he ranked him as the 15th (I believe) best prospect in baseball, and a year before Ynoa didn’t even show up on his top 100.
I believe the kid will be good, but the hype machine started long ago and has just been lying dormant for the past year or so.
Compare him to the 2010 prep class
As I stated below his peer group was just drafted out of HS. He does not have a “head start” at all on his peer group, which is usually the case for Latin players who are signed at age 16 and usually by the time they are Ynoa’s age the top end of that class is playing in Low A ball.
Velo of 92-94 doesn’t stand out per say within the 2010 prep draft class, although he still has a lot of “projection” left in him.
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by Wilbur Wood on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe there's a lot of reason to think he's still a special talent.
Long way to go, obviously.
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I don't think anyone jumped off
It was just premature to consider him a top X prospect without a professional sample size and a few phantom injuries.
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Hmm...
Well, depends on what “X” is, I suppose. Not sure I agree.
I use this line a lot, but there’s way too much made of what Ynoa hasn’t done/what he isn’t rather than what he is and can do. He’s still remarkably advanced with an extremely projectable frame & the makings of a real plus repertoire.
If we had never had heard of him before he’d be generating a lot of excitement based on reports out of extended spring training and instructionals. I feel Ynoa is now underrated, a victim of his own hype.
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I agree, I like him
But the only reason why he would now be underrated is because he hadn’t debuted after signing 2 years ago.
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He'll be 19 in September
So his “peer group” is now Taillon, Cole, Allie, Whiston, Covey, etc.
is he really “advanced” vis-a-vis this peer group who have spent the last 18 months pitching in HS games, AAU games, AFLAC All-Star games, Team USA 18U teams???
Ynoa and his peer group will all be at similar levels to start the 2011 season.
Ynoa may still be a great pitcher but his development path will trail that of the elite young Latin arms like Felix, Teheran, Martin Perez, etc who were toiling at much higher levels during their age 19 seasons.
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Its a good point
but I think he still compares pretty favorably, yes.
Definitely take Taillon first… the order of the rest is up in the air. Probably go Cole and then Ynoa, personally. Very subject to change.
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Prospect fatigue
It happens a lot with these latin signees. We hear about them when they sign 7 figure deals, but then they lie low in rookie leagues for 2+ years. Yorman Rodriguez is another guy suffering a similar fate.
I never was on the bandwagon
I always wanted to see some results before buying in blindly on him. If the results match the hype, I’ll be more than happy to put him in my top 100 at the end of the year.
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Apparently he was throwing 92-94 mph tonight
Not bad, lets hope he can stay healthy. It took almost 2 years to get in a minor league game in the US
by MagicMike23 on Jun 21, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony Sanchez
2-2, HR, 2 HBP’s…..
I am assuming at least one of the HBPs were a result of the dinger? I can’t fathom how he gets hit twice without any repercussions…..
Anyways, nice to see him jack one, as he hadn’t hit one since the end of April.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 21, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
about time
Seems like I’ve been waiting forever to see this kid get some ABs
I bet donavan
has a posse
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by fourfingerwoo on Jun 22, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
AZL Rangers and Mariners
Jake Skole 1-2 Game still going on
Kellin Deglin 0-2
Guillermo Pimentel 0-3
Erik Bedard rehab start 2.2 IP 4H 1ER 3K’s
5 MORE YEARS OF FELIX!
by Marinerfanjake on Jun 21, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
always good to see the top preps in rookie ball
With the stupid deadline, the top prep players all routinely hold out as long as possible now, which I hate to see. Pro ball is a major adjustment for these guys, and a lot of them end up signing late and getting their first exposure in full season ball, or end up getting their development clocks pushed back by forcing them to start in short season ball the next year. The track record of players who really struggled through rookie ball only to take off the next year is quite good. Nothing quite like getting introduced to the pro lifestyle and wood bats sooner rather than later.
I have a theory that the "signability" trend this year
from many teams had at least a little bit to do with getting guys on the field that much sooner in addition to finances. Get a player whose potential you believe in, sign him quickly and start developing.
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Charles Blackmon
A homer and 2 walks tonight. Came back this month, started with 4 or 5 hitless games, but since then has an OPS around 1000 or so.
Graham Hicks
5 IP, 3 R (1 ER), 3 H, 0 BB, 8 K for Vermont. He was the Nats’ 4th round pick in 2008 and got a $475k signing bonus.
More Rangers
Chris Davis 3-5, 2B and HR. Hitting .479 with 10BB/13K in June.
Mitch Moreland 2-4, 2B and BB.
Salty 1-3, 2B
Teagarden 2-4, BB. Striking out over 30% in AA, jeesh.
Catcher Tomas Telis is coming back from TJ surgery and DH’ed yesterday in the AZL, 1-4.
Mentioned above, Profar was 2-4 and has an XBH in each of his first three games.
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Any news on salty overcoming the yips?
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Sounds like he is
Now he just needs to hit
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by Kinslerhomer on Jun 22, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks
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Some more
Marcus Lemon: 3-5
Christian Villanueva: 2-3 BB
Jordan Akins: 0-2 K
Shawn Blackwell: 4.0IP 7H 3R 3ER 1BB 4K 0HR
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by Kinslerhomer on Jun 22, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent.
Obviously quite early, but very curious about his arm…
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