Cincinnati Reds Draft Review
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Cincinnati Reds Draft Analysis
1) Yasmani Grandal, C, University of Miami-Florida: A very strong defender who took a big step forward with the bat this year, showing power and plate discipline. He probably won't need much time in the minors, and I think he was a terrific pick, though his price tag won't be cheap.
2) Ryan LaMarre, OF, University of Michigan: A fine athlete with excellent makeup, LaMarre can be inconsistent with the bat and struggled with a thumb/wrist injury this spring. He's a good pick in the second round, with loads of upside but some risk as well.
3) Devin Lohman, SS, Long Beach State University: Another in a long line of LBSU shortstops, Lohman has a decent glove at short but may end up at second base ultimately. He can hit for average and show some pop to the gaps, but isn't a huge power guy. In the end he might fit best as a strong utility infielder, but there is a non-zero chance he can hit enough to get beyond that.
4) Brodie Greene, 2B, Texas A&M: Another middle infielder from a strong college program, Greene is an easily-signable senior, runs well, has a strong throwing arm, showed some pop in college, and is very versatile with the glove. His work ethic is excellent and he has a good shot at being a solid utilityman.
5) Wes Mugarian, RHP, Florida HS: He'll need to be bought out of Alabama, but his 90-92 MPH fastball and good curve make it likely that the Reds will do so. I don't think they would have spent a fifth round pick otherwise.
6) Drew Cisco, RHP, South Carolina HS: Another signability question, Cisco is committed to Georgia. He is one of the most polished high school pitchers available and really knows how to pitch (his grandfather is longtime coach Galen Cisco), but average velocity kept him from truly elite status in the draft class.
7) Tony Amezcua, RHP, California HS: A projectability pick, Amezcua throws 90-92 and may pick up more zip as he matures. He will need to be bought out of Long Beach State.
8) David Vidal, 3B, Miami-Dade CC: Vidal is undersized at 5-10, but has a very powerful bat. Scouts aren't sure where he will fit defensively, as he doesn't run well enough to play outfield. His arm is good enough for third, but his hands might not be, and he's too short for a classic first baseman. He can hit though. He will need to be bought out of Florida International.
9) Tanner Robles, LHP, Oregon State University: He has an 88-90 MPH heater, but his breaking ball and changeup are inconsistent, and scouts don't like him as much as they did when he was a Utah high school player.
10) Kevin Arico, RHP, University of Virginia: Arico picked up 16 saves this year, but his stuff is mediocre for a right-hander. He projects as a middle reliever if he makes it.
FOUR OTHERS OF NOTE: 12-Kyle Waldrop, OF, Florida HS; 13-Lucas O'Rear, RHP, University of Northern Iowa; 18-Robert Maddox, OF, University of Ohio; 19-Josh Alexander, OF, Arizona HS:
COMMENT: I like the Grandal selection, and a lot of scouts think LaMarre will blossom as he gets further past the injury. Neither Lohman nor Greene will be stars, but both have a good shot at being major league contributors. The three high school pitchers would be great to add to the system if they can sign them: Reds fans should be happy if two of them come to terms, though they will all need substantial bonuses. Vidal's bat is intriguing, but the ninth and tenth round picks look like stretches. Overall I think this is a good class, with a nice mixture of talents and backgrounds...if they can get some of that high school pitching inked.
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Waldrop has a HUGE ceiling.
This could be a huge pick, especially considering that this is well below where many thought he should have been picked.
This guy is a real athlete, considered a top-tier talent in football (at safety, but also played OLB and WR). He also played basketball. He hasn’t concentrated on baseball yet solely, which makes me think he could take huge leaps in progress. I’ve read where folks have only rated his speed as just above-average, but his H.S. football highlight videos sure do seem like he has plus speed. Could this guy stick in CF?
Also, Any idea of his signability? Anyone have any word whether he is willing to sign, or take off to college? I think he has a football scholarship to Southern Florida.
by wanderinredsfan on Jun 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
How does Grandal rank with respect to other highly ranked catchers?
Someone in the know, could you rank these catchers:
Grandal
Castro
Flowers
Sanchez
Skipworth
D’Arnaud
Lucroy
by wanderinredsfan on Jun 12, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
grandal
I like him better than all of those guys.
by John Sickels on Jun 12, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to know.
It sure seems that their is a lot of contradiction on Grandal. I’ve seen some state that he will never stick behind the plate, and others argue that he doesn’t have very good hitting skills that project well. From what little I’ve seen, I think he looks fine behind and at the plate. Perhaps most of the reviews were from his early college career, and he is starting to ‘blossom’, so to speak.
As a Reds fan, I like your analysis best! Personally, I just hope one of Grandal or Mesoraco evolve into a legitimate major league catcher.
by wanderinredsfan on Jun 12, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Grandal will be fine behind the plate. He’ll never be a gold-glover, but he’ll be better than average. His bat is going to be where he makes his money. If he can be at least an above-average hitter, he’ll be a huge asset at a position that is known for mediocre hitting.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
His defense...
isn’t as good as Sanchez’. Flowers, Skipworth, and Sanchez also have a decent amount of power potential more than Grandal. I would put him tied for second with Sanchez at this point becuase he should hit for better average than him. D’arnaud might be ahead of them both, but all three are around equal in my opinion.
ETHAN MARTIN!!!!
BTW, the link to Waldrop at the bottom of the article links to the Twins' pitcher, not the recent Red draft pick. Probably should fix.
by wanderinredsfan on Jun 12, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
waldrop
The computer did that automatically. I fixed it.
by John Sickels on Jun 12, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully they can get Grandal signed quickly
"I don't challenge Murphy, even if he's 0 for 20. Not him, not ever." - Mario Soto
Arico
has an average fastball (low 90’s), but he got an absolutely filthy slider. His best case seems to be a Michael Wuertz type of guy.
They also selected UVA’s Tyler Wilson, but I imagine he’ll go back to school. I could see him jumping up about a dozen rounds or so with another year, particularly since he’ll be in higher leverage roles.
I am not a fan of this draft...
and the only reason I can even stomach it is because they got the equivalent of a Top 5 pick in Chapman prior to the season. Still, it could have been much better in my opinion.
Why?
Seems like a fairly positive draft to me. I would have liked a high-upside arm at #3 or #4, but I can’t fault them for taking a couple of readily signable middle infielders instead. I think they punted on these picks, because of Grandal’s price-tag and the unknown demands of the high-school arms.
by wanderinredsfan on Jun 13, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Disappointed in Reds 2010 Draft
1st RD
I would have passed on Grandal since Mesoraco has finally emerged as a legit prospect and selected the 2nd best LHP in the draft in Chris Sale.
2nd RD
As much as I like LaMarre and his upside, he’s not an organizational need. I personally would have selected Derek Dietrich (Ohio boy) here.
3rd RD
The Dietrich pick would of allowed the Reds to focus on talent here and I’m sure the Padres were very happy to see the Reds pass on Reed as he was picked right after.
4th RD
I would of much rather had the lefty and former UK pitcher Paxton over a offensively lackluster Greene.
So…
REDS REDS SHADOw
1St RD Y. Grandal © vs. C. Sale (LHP)
2nd RD R. LaMarre (OF) vs. D. Dietrich (SS)
3rd RD D. Lohman (SS) vs. A. Reed (RHP)
4th RD B. Greene (2B) vs. J. Paxton (LHP)
Which draft do you like better?
You are forgetting that this is a small market team.
The Reds coveted Grandal, and I don’t really blame them. He will cost them a lot more than slot, which obviously means that they will have to skimp other places. I prefer LaMarre to Dietrich, and glad the Reds jumped all over him. Again, probably a sign for slightly above slot.
To be able to spend on these two guys, the Reds punted on rounds 3 and 4. I would have loved for the Reds to pick Paxton over Greene, but I’m certain that cost was the issue. Probably the same with Reed. The Reds were more agressive in rounds 5-7, and this will cost them, as well. It’s all about the money, especially when you consider the Reds’ recent expenditures in the International FA market.
by wanderinredsfan on Jun 14, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with Havok
Seems like Grandal’s price tage had a ripple effect, and we went with a lot of signability guys, most obviously with the selections of Lohman and Greene that early in the draft. None of the h.s. pitcher selections really dip into the top names in the pool, which is the clear strength of this draft. Grandal alone has a chance to make this a successful draft, but it’s my sincere hope that we will be much more aggressive in 2011.

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