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San Francisco Giants Draft Review
1) Gary Brown, OF, Cal State Fullerton: Brown's blazing speed and center field defense are big assets, but he draws few walks and might not show much power with wood. I'm not wild about the pick personally, thinking that a power bat would fit better, but from a traditional perspective Brown is attractive.

2) Jarrett Parker, OF, University of Virginia: Quite toolsy, Parker has more power potential than Brown, but an inconsistent track record and questions about his high strikeout rate kept him out of the first round. Could be excellent, could be a bust.

3) Carter Jurica, SS, Kansas State University: A very good college player, Jurica has average tools and a chance to hit well, but range probably makes him a second baseman down the line. I think this was an overdraft by five rounds.

4) Seth Rosin, RHP, University of Minnesota: Rosin has exceptional command and always throws strikes, but the quality of his stuff can vary from outing to outing. He can hit 94-96 at his best but is usually below that, and many scouts doubt his secondary pitches.

5) Heath Hembree, RHP, College of Charleston: Hits the mid-to-upper-90s, but raw as college pitchers go, needing to improve his secondary pitches.

6) Mike Kickham, LHP, Missouri State University: Low-90s fastball, good slider, curveball and changeup, but inconsistent track record kept him from earlier rounds.

7) Chuckie Jones, OF, Missouri HS: Strong power potential, but somewhat raw and will need development work to get the most out of his strength.

8) Joe Staley, C, Lubbock Christian: Defense isn't too hot, but he was a very successful college hitter and this has a decent chance to carry forward. Might end up at first base.

9) Chris Lofton, OF, Jones County JC: Speed demon with questionable bat.

10) Dan Burkhart, C, Ohio State University: Got some attention as batterymate of Alex Wimmers this year. Good defensive catcher with decent arm, bat is doubtful enough that he dropped to this spot in the draft.

FOUR OTHERS OF NOTE: 12-Stephen Harrold, RHP, UNC Wilmington; 16-Austin Fleet, RHP, Coastal Carolina; 20-Brett Bochy, RHP, University of Kansas; 25-Brett Krill, OF, UCLA

COMMENTS: Brown and Parker are good picks from the athlete/tools standpoint, but neither is guaranteed to help the Giants hitting attack until we see if they can handle pro pitching. Brown's speed would certainly help if he gets on base enough, but that is an open question at this stage. Rosin, Hembree, and Kickham could all be good but also have question-marks. Other picks have a similar blend of potential and weakness, and there are no sure things in this class. Overall I'm not that impressed.

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Parker is a better prospect than Brown. Also, I’m not sure how they are going to utilize Brown and Parker as both should be CF’s in A+ ball (next year). Maybe move Brown back to 2B?

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by Gobroks on Jun 10, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

neither is guaranteed to help…until we see if they can handle pro pitching

thanks!!! sounds like Bruce Bochy on Buster Posey, can’t be an MLB catcher until you have MLB catching experience

by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 10, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

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I was just saying I’m not sure about their bats. If you know anything about me at all, you should know that I think young players deserve full chances. Bochy’s handling of Posey is ridiculous.

by John Sickels on Jun 10, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

tongue-in-cheek comment, sorry about that. love your work btw

by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 10, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

Sorry. I haven’t had a day off in two weeks and have no prospect of one for another week. I’m pretty tired and beat up right now. Didn’t mean to be defensive.

by John Sickels on Jun 10, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Power

Everyone has a different definition of the word power. How does John Sickels define the word power? Is it HRs? SLG? What if a player hits a few HRs yet is a doubles machine?

by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

power

ISO.

Can get there with doubles, triples, or homers. I don’t trust Brown to show this with wood against good pitching just yet, but of course I could be wrong.

by John Sickels on Jun 10, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

the meatgrinder got to him

by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 10, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He went from

All OBP with no power to no OBP with no power.

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by Gobroks on Jun 10, 2010 11:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

sounds like a terrible combo

by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 11, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, at this point our best hope is that he becomes a utility guy

Honestly right now I’d teach him LF and RF and make him a guy that can play 1B, 2B, 3B, LF and RF

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by Gobroks on Jun 11, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, at least he can’t play defense well at any of those positions. Given the Giants track record with Velez, this plan might actually “work.”

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by tedfordfan on Jun 11, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really hope he doesn't make the 25 man roster in 2 years

because the Giants are scared of losing him on waivers. Unless he gets his OBP back and starts hitting for power-then he can play on the team

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by Gobroks on Jun 11, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts

I am no expert, but I feel that the “no walk” haters don’t understand that getting hits are preferable to getting walks overall. Brown was hitting .438. I think I prefer him to hit than take a walk when he’s hitting that well.

And it is not like he’s was always like this. I can understand this stance if all we had to judge him on was just this one season. But he has played three seasons. In his freshman year, his walk rate was 8.5% which is almost double what his walks rate in his junior year, this year. And in that year, his batting average was much lower, meaning he didn’t hit as well against pitchers then, and so he worked more walks instead of swinging and getting a hit.

I don’t think people appreciate that there is a point at which it is much better to swing and get a hit than to take a walk. Particularly if he can hit with some power, his ISO was .257 (or so).

Now, if he can’t translate that into the pros using wood bats, then he’s in trouble, as John says. But he appears to have shown the ability to take walks before, but if you are batting .438 and have an ISO of 257, then I would want him to hit rather than take a walk, any day.

Also, Boras is his agent, and judging from what I’ve seen of Boras, he will tell Brown what he needs to do to make it to the majors and help teach him.

In addition, many Giants fans are not aware that Brown has actually spent more time playing 3B this season than the OF. And yet despite that, he plays defense there very well. According to Fangraphs, he had a +3 run, but if you prorate that out for the games he played at 3B plus the games he missed because of his broken finger, it is close to +10, or a win just on defense. Then he only needs to be +10 on offense in CF in order to be a +2 WAR CF, and, if I understand WAR, that is even before the adjustment for him playing a premium position.

On top of that, he was an infielder for the most part in high school and college, and yet is already superior defensively there in sporadic play. I would think that he would be that much better once he starts playing there every day, plus getting professional instruction on how to play that position.

Not to say that I think he will make the pros, just that it is not as bleak as most experts have made Brown out to be. In any case, most late first round picks normally don’t end up being good players, maybe 1 in 10, and then another 2 might be a useful player, a journeyman type player who can start but is only about average. So it is bleak, even before Brown was selected.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 11, 2010 2:16 AM EDT reply actions  

While Brown played all over the diamond in previous seasons this season Brown became the CSF starting CF.

by wilriv21 on Jun 11, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, my mistake, I was reading off the Titan’s player profile, assuming they posted his current season info first, but it was for 2009. I see in the Super Regional notes that he played all 48 games in CF. There goes my analysis, down the drain…

Thanks for pointing it out.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 11, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see the Giants moving Brown back to the infield

Especially with Parker being drafted in round 2. Though, from what I’ve heard about Brown’s speed and arm, 2B seems possible.

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by Gobroks on Jun 11, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

they tried it with Juan Carlos Perez

by wilriv21 on Jun 11, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's true

though I’d imagine Brown is more athletic than JCP

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by Gobroks on Jun 11, 2010 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't see it

They’re not going to move their best defensive CF to the infield to placate Parker – especially when they chose Brown over Parker. The only way they would move Brown to 2B is if he fails to hit – and that would be years down the road.

Most likely, they’ll move Parker to RF with the view that his D will play extremely well there in AT&T, and that his power will develop as he moves up the ladder.

Oh, and haveing a cannon for an arm is just not that important in CF. Brown’s arm is good enough for CF, and it’s very accurate. I would rather have his weaker, but accurate, arm in CF than somebody elses strong arm that can never seem to hit the cut-off man.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 11, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some good points

But, any mention of him moving to the infield is a non-starter

many Giants fans are not aware that Brown has actually spent more time playing 3B this season than the OF. And yet despite that, he plays defense there very well

You don’t move a guy that was one of the top 2 or 3 defensive CFers in college, and that projects to be the same in the majors, away from CF so he can spend time in the IF. Especially when you know that the Giants CF-to-RF expanse is one of the largest and hardest to cover in the majors.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 11, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm underwhelmed by this draft

Especially in its obsession with college players in the first 20 rounds. The Giants only drafted 3 HS players in their first 20 rds. (#7, 18, and 19). That’s just unforgiveable when one of the core strengths of the Giants’ farm system is the development of HS pitchers, and this draft was inordinately populated with good to excellent HS pitchers. In fact, the first HS pitcher they drafted was Allen in rd. 18.

That being said, I’m a bit higher on Brown than most others appear to be, I’m lower on Parker than most others appear to be (I’ve seen him play in person and on TV quite a bit the last 2 years and I’m not impressed), and I’m much higher on Rosin than the apparent consensus.

I think Rosin’s major league floor is as an effective closer, his most likely outcome is as a top-tier closer or #5 starter, and his ceiling is as a #2/#3 starter. I hope that the Giants leave him as a starter in the minors to let him try to develop some kind of consistent breaking pitch (slider, curve, or splitter) to complement his current above-average FB and change. However, if they want to fast-track him to the majors, he has enough weapons with his FB and change right now to make it to SF as a 8th-inning setup man (working into the closer’s role) as early as the end of 2012.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 11, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Oops

That last sentence should read “…as early as the end of the 2011 season.”

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 11, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of the core strengths of the Giants’ farm system is the development of HS pitchers

I’m curious why you’d say this Fla? Most of the pitchers they’ve developed the last say 10 years or so have been college draftees. obviously, Cain is the exception and conceivably you could toss Boof Bonser out there as well (although I think they’d given up on him and the Twins did most of the development), but other than that Lincecum, Sanchez, Wilson, Runzler, Romo, Correia, Lowry, Hennessy, Ainsworth, Ortiz — all these guys were drafted out of college. Really looking through the rosters, the only other high school pitcher I can find beyond Cain is Jerome Williams, and it’s debatable whether or not that was a successful example of development of a HS pitcher.

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by Roger on Jun 14, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jarrett Parker

Is there an easier player to predict to be a bust than Parker? Kid can’t really hit a curveball. Those that have seen a lot of him, like Fla-Giant, wouldn’t be impressed at all with him.

I was praying that the Cardinals wouldn’t draft him…with any pick. I was praying the Cardinals didn’t take Brown at 25. So I’m not a big fan of this draft.

by UncleBuck44 on Jun 11, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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