MILB Gameday Cinco de Mayo
by Mets2k9 on May 5, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
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PrintHolá mis amigos. Porque hoy es Cinco de Mayo, creo que es importante hablar sólo en español, como una forma de honrar a nuestros vecinos del sur, así como para demostrarle a la gente que conozco algo en este mundo (fuera de succión en el béisbol de la fantasía). Para aquellos de ustedes que no pueden comprender esto, el uso de Google traducir. La mayor parte de lo que estoy diciendo ahora es inútil, pero está bien. De todos modos, en los juegos de hoy. Tienes un montón de nombradores grande en la colina de hoy:
Casey Kelly
Kyle Drabek
Brad Holt
Matt Moore
Mike Montgommery
El regreso valiente de Jacob Turner
I know there are a bunch more going, so write 'em down. Also, can someone tell me about Jason Heyward? Seems like an under the radar guy, but he's been hitting pretty well since his call-up. Future fourth outfielder?
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Montgomery
5 2/3 2 H 1 ER 8/4 K/bb
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Dang
The walks were probably just from nerves or something, that’s a pretty impressive debut in AA.
Thats 16 hits allowed in 30.1 innings so far this year. 41 K’s too.
Top 15 prospect right now?
the other pitcher walked like 9 guys in 5 innings
so its possible that it was a really small strike zone
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by billybeingbilly on May 5, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
How's his d been?
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
Wow
That’s a hot start to the year. If he doesn’t get another AB this game as it’s looking like, his slash line will be .420/.508/.960 with 8 BB and 7 K through 13 games. Obviously SSS applies but I’ve had him on my fantasy team since he was drafted and he’s never had a stretch like this. Royals fans, is there anything to explain this surge in production? Guy is in better shape, had lasik, light bulb came on in the off-season in regards to work ethic???
So how long...
Until you’d rather have Moustakas over Alvarez?
Don't read into hits
Too many variables.
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Jemile Weeks
2-5 HR now OPSing .870. Not Bad.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
On the season
.307/.372/.495 w/ 2 HRs and 5 SB.
Meanwhile, Adrian Cardenas returned to action Apr 30 and has struck out at least once in each game with no walk, batting .200/.200/.400. I’m still strongly of the belief Weeks is a better prospect than Cardenas. Will be a better defender. Better tools. Better secondary skills. More speed.
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He can hit for average
I still think he’d be a solid offensive oriented second basemen
This season he has only played 1 game at 2B, the rest (SSS, 4 games) at 3B.
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...and he's not on the same as Weeks, so that's not why
though we really need to start thinking of 3B as an up the middle position. So Cardenas moving there doesn’t really harm his value all that much – but I’ve never been convinced he’s that much of a hitter or defender anyway.
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Michael Kirkman:
5.0IP 3H 0R 3BB 7K
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Kila Ka'aihue
Called up to the bigs for today’s game, but the lineup the Royals have released has him on the bench.
Because, of course, you gotta get Willie Ballgame in the lineup.
clearly your not a smart baseball man
Hillman is a fucking genius. don’t question him.
baseball rules.
What percentage of this do you blame on Hillman vs. Moore
I feel like with the right manager Moore wouldn’t look quite so bad. I do think Moore is a pretty bad GM who doesn’t understand value… but if you pair him with say, Ozzie Guillen? It wouldn’t shock me to see them be one of those teams where I dont understand how they’re around/above .500
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a lot of it is on Moore for getting bad players
but Hillman puts them in the absolute worst positions to win almost all the time. i mean, down by 1 run in the 9th a couple games ago, he lets Bloomquist hit instead of PH’ing any of the guys on the bench. Gordon and Ankiel could have both at least, MAYBE, you know, ran into a ball and tied the game.
a decent manager who had an idea of what splits are and didn’t have absurd loyalties to some players “getting AB’s” would probably help the team win a few more games. definitely.
baseball rules.
Kimbrel
Craig Kimbrel called up after Jurrjens DL’d. Could be activated tonight if he can get to DC in time.
Not bad on the Spanish
Was that a google translated paragraph? Not bad spanish, but a few guffaws
-1 and only member of the Nick Weglarz fan club!
No, that's my spanish skillz at work
Not a native speaker of the language, though, so some comically mistaken phrases are bound to crop up. Like when I asked a spanish person “sabes donde te ducho”
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
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Impressed
With your spanish, then. I’m serving with a few “spanish majors” and none of them write as well as that. Well done.
“Sabes donde te ducho” awkward! Hehe
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Haha, the look I received from the 60 year old hispanic man will haunt me for a while
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
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Donde esta...
Senor Domonic Brown? Este chulo esta quedando la competition. 2-3, R, RBI, SB
Ahora, esta bateando .375 con 3 jonrones y 16 RBIs en sus ultimas 10 partidos…
PPPPPPUNTO 4 MVP 2010
If you knew me well, and knew my daily habits
You’d understand the hilarious irony behind what you wrote.
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
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~que hora es?
me Llamo es Esteban
DAVID BROMBERG VS KYLE DRABEK
Has gotta be the matchup of the night for This frggn holliday
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 5, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
also
Fabio Martinez Mesa is going for the Single A Angels
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 5, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
Jacoby Turner
is going for Single A tigers as well
wait, I thought he was a hurtin?
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 5, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
Pineda
Pitched yesterday but what do you guys see as his ceiling?
General consensus around here, from what I've seen, is most people see him as a #3 or possibly #2 if he maxes out.
But then again he’s worked on his stuff and his FB has gotten better.
yeah probably a #3
but closer to #4 than #2 from me in the might A.L.
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 5, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Awww I'm pretty sure thats impossible
How serious?
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 5, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Impossible?
Apparently you don’t know Jason Heyward.
Jason Parks on Michael Main
Check out the great series of scouting reports Jason Parks is posting over at BBTiA.
Parks ranks Main as having the 16th highest ceiling in the Rangers system:
Conclusion: Didn’t change OFP grade. Main is a fast-twitch athlete with the potential for two plus pitches, average command/control projection, and an aggressive approach on the mound. His FB has above-average movement when located down in the zone and his CB features a late two-plane break that is very effective against RH. His CU needs further development to become an average major league pitch and he needs to find consistency in his mechanics. His overall feel for sequence and situation is present, but often overshadowed by his ultra-competitiveness and desire to attack hitters.
An eventual move to the bullpen would make sense, especially if the CU doesn’t reach its developmental peak; in short bursts, Main could run his FB into the mid 90s and use his CB to miss bats. Tool-based grade: 56; solid-average No. 3 starter/front-line set-up man at the major league level.
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Zack Wheeler
RHP A Augusta SF Giants
Gringo is pitching well tonight.
4 IP
1 H
0 ER
2 BB
7 K
GO/FO: 4/1
Jay Austin
back to back games going 3-5 with a HR. his rate numbers are starting to look pretty solid as well, with a .196 ISOP, 10.9 BB% and 14.9 K%.
at last!
Trivia for you: Name one player who, going into today, had a .200/.322/.263 line.
Here’s a hint: not Grant Green
I heard a rumor
That the Braves are going to trade Yunel Escobar for him straight up, and insert him right into their lineup. Not a huge upgrade, but still worth it.
by auclairkeithbc on May 6, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
no
him = jiovanni mier, the answer to mrkupe’s trivia question. along with several more noteworthy people than myself, i believe that mier is a better SS prospect than grant green. mrkupe probably agrees with the more popular opinion that grant green is at least the slightly better prospect. the rumor of course is a joke, but mier is outperforming escobar so far. it is early yet.
by auclairkeithbc on May 6, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
*struggling
That is, Jio Mier is STRUGGLING in A ball.
lol
yeah, his numbers are better. obviously i don’t think he could step into the braves lineup and do better than escobar right now. he is struggling. with a 4 game hot streak, he’d have nice numbers. it may not happen, but it is early. my opinion of mier is only slightly higher than the average opinion of him, and it is well within the mainstream. i’m not going back to find one struggling prospect any other poster thought was 15-20 spots better than the consensus to prove a point. we are barely into the season, and young guys like mier are several years away from proving us right or wrong.
by auclairkeithbc on May 6, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
your opinion of Mier is clearly far higher than "average opinion"
Green was a top 30-40 prospect coming into the year and hasn’t lost any ground. Mier was no better than top 75 and has dropped since. They’re not close at the moment.
my opinion of mier
is and was very mainstream. several sources more well known than myself had mier ranked better than green. many had them very close, and very very few had green near the top 30.
by auclairkeithbc on May 7, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
There really wasn't much sentiment for Green to be that high
BA had him at #52 and John had him at #17 on his hitters only list. BP/PP/KLaw all had him in the 80-100 range. Mier was lower than Green on all but PP’s list, where he was #64 vs. Green at #82. BA had Green 21 spots ahead of Mier, BP had Green 11 spots higher, and KLaw had him a spot higher. John had Green 29 spots ahead of Mier on the Top 50 Hitters list. The CPL had Green at #47, 23 spots ahead of Mier who checked in at #70.
As for auclairkeithbc’s comments…not sure what to say here. During the CPL process he said he had Mier in the 55-75 range, started voting for him at #61 so he considered him at least a top 60 guy because he had Mier ahead of Green and Dee Gordon for sure and both were already on the list at that point. So Mier as a top 60 guy isn’t really what I’d consider “mainstream” since only PP had him higher than #73. I’m not sure who the “several sources” are that had Mier ahead of Green, as of the most quoted lists only PP had Mier ahead. Not sure how we’re defining “very close” either as only KLaw had them within 10 spots of each other.
auclairkeithbc is right about Green being a top 30-40 guy though, there just wasn’t much support for that. I thought Green’s ranking of #47 on the CPL was too high and I’m an A’s fan.
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i don't know why all this needs to be brought up again.
that is my point. if i said jay austin is a top 50 player, let’s say, since that was the person i was posting about here, that would be clearly outside the mainstream. or if i thought josh thole was better than carlos santana, that would be outside the mainstream. but voting for a guy slightly ahead (yes 20 spots in the 2nd half of a top 100 is very close) of the general consensus isn’t going so far out on a limb that i need people bringing it up randomly throughout the season if he happens to do poorly, like many other top 100 prospect will. also, i don’t think i was so optimistic about him that i’ll deserve any credit if he ends up being better than most people thought. most people think he is in the 4th quarter of the top 100 list. i think he is in the 3rd quarter. NOT a big difference in the scheme of things.
by auclairkeithbc on May 7, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that the bringing up of Mier in the first place
wasn’t really necessary. It’s not funny like the Thole>Santana stuff or anything. I tend to disagree of the “2nd half of a top 100” statement, at least when we’re talking about the 50-80 range. The last 20 spots of a top 100 I see the talent blurring a little more, but I think there is a more of distinction between someone I rank #50 vs. #70 or #60 vs. #80. That’s personal preferrence though, and why I said I’m not sure how we’re defining “very close”. Mier’s average ranking from BA/BP/PP/KLaw is #82, so a 20+ spot difference to me in that range is a big difference and why I disagree with your assertions. No big deal though, my post wasn’t made to attack you or mrkupe-I merely pointed out where I disagreed with both of you and shared the rankings of both players in question.
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yeah thats fine
i just feel like we’ve discussed this issue enough. it is hard for me to imagine a scenario where he proves right the people who had him ranked at the end of the 100, but proves me wrong. if he flops out completely, i guess i was “more” wrong and if he ends up being a solid everyday SS that isn’t a pure defensive no offense type, then i was “more” right. direct comparisons to green and gordon might be more useful, but my views on green at least are similar to most people’s. i was more down on dee gordon than i was high on mier, so i guess tracking dee gordon’s success could be slightly informative. either way, particular players are just a drop in the bucket.
by auclairkeithbc on May 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
also
Fangraphs and Hardball Times have Mier ahead of Green. Fangraphs has Mier at 79 and Green not listed. HBT has Mier at 40 and Green at 48. Those are pretty reputable sites that have put time into their rankings. Maybe they are less reputable than some other experts, but still more so than any normal poster here. Additionally, Baseball-Intellect.com which is less known than FG and HBT, had Mier at 62 and Green at 73. Another site gaining some reputation with a historical statistical comparison approach (Diamond Futures), had Mier at 50 (though they had Green at 30). I have seen a lot more than just PP supporting Mier.
by auclairkeithbc on May 7, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I love fangraphs.com
and THT is a great site also, but I’m not really sure how to gauge them when it comes to prospecting. I’m not saying I’d dismiss their rankings, but I certainly wouldn’t count them in the same category as places like BA/BP/Sickels. I’m also not sure that those lists would necessarily be more reputable than the opinions of some posters here, just because it’s produced by someone at that site doesn’t mean they follow prospects more closely than people here.
fangraphs and THT are certainly reputable sites, but when I think “mainstream” prospecting…they don’t really come to mind, at least not at this point.
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Well
I think you have some very narrow and personal interpretations of a lot of the phrases I have used. Many, though not all, of our debates have been over semantics, like whether ranking someone 60th or 80th is vastly far apart, or whether a we can use the word ceiling to describe a 90% projection instead of a 99% projection, or whether the people tasked with evaluating prospects at certain reputable baseball sites, are experienced or expert enough to broaden what might be considered mainstream views. I’m sure others would consider only BA to be truly mainstream and anyone that ranks a player more than 2 or 3 spots differently must be a radical outside the mainstream. You have a slightly less narrow view, but it is still very constricting. Generally, your tendency to attack arguments based on your own personal narrow definitions of certain words, is not incredibly helpful. In the future, you should assume that people are using as broad a definition of a particular word as is reasonably acceptable, and only argue that the word is being misused or that the premise is false, if you feel the statement is wrong based on that broader definition. You may miss some opportunities to argue against some positions, but you won’t find yourself bogged down in semantics nearly as much. Anyway, no hard feelings. This probably comes off as passive aggressive, but I’m not really pretending to be trying to teach you a life lesson or anything. Just noting a pattern that seems to be emerging with your objections to my posts.
by auclairkeithbc on May 7, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure how to handle them.
Fangraphs didn’t include 2009 draftees, either… so that blows up the argument about the placement of Mier there.
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sorry bud
Mier was a 2009 draftee, so I’m pretty sure the argument isn’t blown up. They didn’t include them in the top 10s, but they included them in the top 100.
by auclairkeithbc on May 7, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, my bad on Green
I had him higher than other people and figured they were smart enough to put him that high as well! A bit raw at the plate but I think ultimately he’ll be a solid SS with the potential to be more than that.
My sentiment doesn’t change on Mier. Nobody thought that dude could really hit much at all before he showed up in rookie ball. He was a solid prospect, but people (not surprisingly) over-reacted to the only statistics on him that they had access to. He’s still a good prospect, but there’s no doubt that his stock has definitely dropped thus far as it’s pretty obvious that his bat is pretty raw. I had Green at 31 (a little too high, 40-50 range now), and Mier at 78 (don’t think he’s going to show enough with the bat this year to rate higher than the 120 range or so for next year).
I understand the focus of this site is on sabermetric-oriented prospect analysis, but still – you’d think SOMEBODY would remember the stuff they were saying about Mier all of 3 months earlier . . .unless of course they didn’t know anything and were just regurgitating stock opinion.
Bingo
My sentiment doesn’t change on Mier. Nobody thought that dude could really hit much at all before he showed up in rookie ball. He was a solid prospect, but people (not surprisingly) over-reacted to the only statistics on him that they had access to. He’s still a good prospect, but there’s no doubt that his stock has definitely dropped thus far as it’s pretty obvious that his bat is pretty raw. I had Green at 31 (a little too high, 40-50 range now), and Mier at 78 (don’t think he’s going to show enough with the bat this year to rate higher than the 120 range or so for next year).
I think Mier is probably edging closer to 150s for me. Still really early, though.
Basically, he really had to rake for me to move him up anyway, since I’ve never been a big fan of his bat, tool wise
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what are you supposed to do?
as a professional prospect evaluator, when you rely heavily on high school scouting reports and come up with an evaluation, then when many many more scouts see him in professional baseball and see the scouting reports were not very accurate? do you think they should rely much more on the new consensus scouting reports or ignore them and rely a great deal on the scouting reports of whoever saw him in high school? the statistics were nice last year, but i don’t see a ton of evidence indicating that was the biggest factor in Mier’s bump in his prospect status. there were several lower end prospect followers who thought Mier had a very solid bat before the draft. i’m sure his stock has dropped somewhat so far, and maybe re-doing a list, he’d be at the tail end or just outside the top 100, but it is silly to put a lot of weight in his pre-draft scouting, which isn’t nearly as intensive as his post-draft scouting.
by auclairkeithbc on May 8, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Miguel Velazquez
2-3, HR, BB
Now hitting .323 with 6 HR and a 12/16 BB/KK ratio in 112 PA.
Velazquez now tied for league lead in OPS
sitting .320/.402/..608 12BB/16K
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mwl action
Ian Krol with another unheralded solid start.
6 IP, 2 H, 2 BB, 4 K
W Myers, 0-2, 2 BB
Trout is 1-3, 2B, SB, BB … and he’s at bat again. srsly this dude is awesome.
I think Trout is bordering on the overrated
He’s good, there’s no doubt about that, but he’s not elite for me and certainly not top 25.
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by The Big Hurt on May 5, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
why not?
his speed is either elite, or his baserunning is, or both.
he is in fact hitting XBH.
he is doing everything right, and in full-season ball and straight outta compton high school
hmmm
this sounds nasty on all accounts Gore haha
by ChalupaCabrera on May 6, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
xbh
Do you think those extra base hits will translate to MLB? No chance.
by richieabernathy on May 6, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
NO THEY DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONE!!!!!ELEVEN!!!
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I just want you to realize
that the odds of him being a rich man’s Ben Revere is much, much greater than the odds of him being a top-flight MLB outfielder.
by richieabernathy on May 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not really a strength issue. Its a swing issue
but I still like him a lot.
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I just don't really get it
his ISOP is .163 right now, which is probably above-avg for an 18 year-old in the Midwest League.
his SLG% = .519
The ISO is solid
but don’t get hung up on the actual SLG% since he’s hitting .356 to post it. Knock him down to a .300 average his SLG% is .463 and doesn’t look so special(though still very good for age/level). His numbers right now are driven by a BABIP over .400, and while he fits the mold of a guy who will have a higher average BABIP it’s not going to be this high.
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Tanner Bushue
7 IP, 5 Ks, 1 BB, 10 Hs for 3 ER
That gives him a 31:12 K:BB over 32.2 IP, for an FIP of 2.50
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Tonight: 2-4, R, RBI, BB
Yesterday: 3-5, HR (1st), 2 RBI, 2 R, BB, K
Maybe now…..?
Engel Beltre
Showing signs of improved plate discipline lately. 1-3 today with a BB, 6 BBs only 3 Ks over last week and a half. Highest walk rate since he was 17 in rookie ball, still just 20.
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Drabek
5.2IP 8H 6R 1ER 2BB 7K – seems like the defense played pretty badly behind him with some inf singles and 2 errors
I'm encouraged
by the fact that he’s striking out a batter an inning over his first 6 starts.
I hadn't looked at his season numbers until you mentioned that
2.9 BB%, 23.2 K%, 59 GB%. Not too shabby, not too shabby at all.
Still bitter the Rays didn't sign him.
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don't think 42 was what dave is going for
think of a day just a little bit over 2 weeks ago….
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