MilB 5/4
by daveh33 on May 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT
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PrintColton Willems, first round pick for the Nats in 2006... has retired...
some idiot kid in Philly was tasered.
no smoking-hot chick with massive chesticles has a birthday today. [at least, not in the public domain... i'm sure somewhere out there, there is a hot chick with massive chesticles that is celebrating something]
but hey, happy birthday to Lance Bass.
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Matt Sweeney
2-2, HR, 2 BB …. looks like KLaw and PP were right on this one. bro can hit. another steal for the Rays
and tim beckham is not playing again
must be that tweaked wrist of his…. which may be partly to blame for his slow start.
Don't worry
you were right on one of the two.
Finished with
3-3, 1 HR, and 3 BBs.
Wow.
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Colton Willems
Good example of a guy who was more of a throwback high school draft pick, to refer to John’s thread about high school pitchers. Willems was raw and didn’t really have much but good present arm strength and the projection to add more.
There have been no concerns...
about him sticking at 3B this year. He has slimmed down a good amount and many believe he could be an average defender there as long as he keeps his weight down.
ETHAN MARTIN!!!!
Zach Britton
5 scoreless innings, just 50 pitches. 2 hits and 2 strikeouts, 8 groundouts and just 1 flyout. Took a comebacker off his arm, stayed in the game got a groundball and threw to first to get the out. That’s why he left the game early!
Randall Delgado
6 IP 4HA 1ER 1BB 7K—pretty standard for him…I know there are a few, like me, that feel he is easily on par with AV and JT, and still has some more projection left…he is at HighA and the others are a notch below in terms of development.
Have to like the K’s and his groundball ratios, I like him to be a big riser on prospect lists this year…
braves rotation is going to be ridiculous in a few years
Hanson, Minor, Delgado, Vizcaino, and Teheran. jeebus… I feel bad for the rest of the NL East
Yeah man, just like
last year, when the giants were stacked for the future with bumgarner, alderson, and villalona…
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
villalona and alderson were never top prospects imo
… and i didn’t like Bumgarner as much as everyone else did either.
also --
“Yeah man, just like a couple years ago, when the Rays had Longoria, Price, Niemann, Davis, Brignac, Upton…”
Like the Twins a couple years ago
With Carlos Gomez, Delois Guerra, Kevin Mulvey, Tyler Robertson, and Anthony Swarzek. Come on man, we can go back and fourth if you want. The point is, while sure, that rotation looks damn good right now on paper, I’d say there’s a 20% chance at best that the full potential of that rotation is realized.
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
You realize...
that’s really not a special collection of young talent and was never considered as such, right? Comparing that to the Rays collection of prospects this decade is absurd.
The Bumgarner/Alderson/Villalona one is hysterical too, considering you left off the team’s best prospect and included a guy who was long on potential but never actually achieved elite status.
There are teams who were thought to be stacked with prospects that didn’t pan out. Your examples, though, are awful.
It was hysterical?
Jeez man, if that’s your level of sense of humor, we should hang out. You’d be the guy who laughs at all my jokes. Additionally, I was referring to his original statement about the Braves. My point was that it’s premature to assume that rotation will be exactly what it projects to be. If that was the case every time, generation K looks forward to their Cooperstown speech.
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Frederick0220
Yes, and obviously that larger point is right...
but these three arms are far better than any of the comparisons you’ve thrown out.
All pitching is risky, but all three guys are very, very good. Probably 3 of the 5 or 6 best pitching prospects in A-level.
no its absurb
that we have this talk without inserting Heyward and Hanson
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by fourfingerwoo on May 5, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
okay
So which two of those five do you think will end up being possibly above-average starters perennially?
Uh Hanson for Sure
He’s already an above avg starter…actually he’s probably already a well above average starter…
maybe you didn't get my point
Even if a guy successfully reaches the majors and enjoys initial success, it’s still pretty likely that he suffers an injury or simply sees his stuff level out within the first several years of his career.
But I’ll give a little ground. Let’s assume Hanson stays healthy. The odds aren’t especially good that even one out of the other four guys will be above-average, but I’ll give you one. So, who is it?
I'm With You
I generally agree with your prospecting skepticism. The fanboy reaction to most prospects is crazy. That said, I don’t think it’s ridiculous to take 4 pitching prospects as good as Vizcaino, Teheran, Delgado, and Minor and say that you expect 1 to be an above average starter (not ace mind you — just above average) in the majors in 4-5 years. In fact, it seems pretty much in line with the conservative prism that we should view these guys through.
The Ks are nice
but the bigger story is his control. In terms of K/IP, his strikeouts have dropped a bit from last year (from 10 to 9.3 or so), but in terms of K/PA, they’ve stayed steady. (The reason is that last year he had a very high BABIP, meaning more hits, and therefore more plate appearances). In terms of his walks, though, both BB/IP and BB/PA show a dramatic improvement from having simply decent control, to borderline-outstanding control. Last year, he walked about 3.5 batters per 9 IP – so far this year, it’s been 1.4, giving him a K/BB above 5.
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by bestbostonsports on May 4, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
Randor goes for Pawsox
Lars has made a nice transition so far
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by bestbostonsports on May 4, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
rizzo
2 for 3 with two dingers – game in progress
time for AA!
If you have a few players/games you want to watch, go to that team's site and to the box score/live game there.
Those update faster… even though it appears it should be the same.
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boom-goes the dynamite
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 4, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Pineda is quietly having a good season
Triunfel and Liddi both have hits in this game too
5 MORE YEARS OF FELIX!
by Marinerfanjake on May 4, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Gibson
6 IP 6 Hits 1 BB 4 SO 2 ER (gets the W)
ERA 1.96
but he was bested by Low A pitcher Tom Stuiffbergen
6 IP 4 Hits 1 BB 9 SO (believe he gets a narrow W as well)
ERA 1.13 (almost as good as Mate Liam Hendriks)
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 4, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
no idea
had some elbow tendinitis. wasn’t going to debut right away anyways because he threw for like 18 months in a row before he signed. someone who knows more than I do said “No Chance” when asked if Arguelles would take Montgomery’s spot in Wilmington, so it doesn’t sound like it’s going to be soon.
baseball rules.
worth asking
What’s happened to his slider? With lines like the ones he’s posting, it sounds like he’s throwing a ton of sinking fastballs.
I really don’t get why they started him in AA.
I really don’t get why they started him in AA.
Because he is 23 and supposed to be relatively advanced/close?
sure
1. ARL doesn’t matter when it comes to pitchers.
2. He barely pitched the year before and could have used a more gradual transition.
3. Even if he’s relatively advanced, he can be promoted once that refinement is showing up in games.
that's still the reason, though
i don’t have a good answer on the slider question. will try to search for an answer.
baseball rules.
RE: Michael Pineda
What does this kid through? Love the high Ks and low BBs.
JOSH THOLE > carlos santana
Pineda...
Pitches: FB, Cutter, Slider, Changeup.
Fastball Sits 92-93, touched 95 on occasion this Spring. Plus-plus control.
homer came off of John Lamb too
and in the same game, W Myers goes 0/5, with 3 SO’s, BB, and an error [throwing]
D.J. Mitchell
He’s been struggling to make the AA transition so far, but tonight was a step in the right direction. 6 IP, 5 K, 1 BB, 7 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 8 GB, 3 FB.
Still more BBs than Ks so far, but he’s still got a GB rate in the mid 60s. He’s a pretty athletic guy who’s still working on secondary stuff, so it’s not a shock he’s struggling. Hopefully this is a sign that he’s turning things around.
Freddie Freeman
2-4, 2 2B, BB
He’s been overlooked on this board due to his horrible start but he now hitting and hitting the ball with authority. His average is up to .286 and his OPS is over .800 and to think he’s the 2nd youngest kid in AAA.
He's 3rd by my count - not that it in any way diminishes what he's done or the original point...
Montero – November, 28, 1989
Ruben Tejada – October 27, 1989
Freeman – Sept. 12, 1989
Bumgarner – August 1, 1989
Trevor Reckling – May 22, 1989
Dayan Viciedo – March 10, 1989
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also explains why reckling should probably still be in AA
to work out his control funkiness
Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson
interesting
You should get the next 4 names on that list to give us the full top 10 so we can track their progression. Especially interesting to consider that the major knock on a few of these guys is their relative lack of polish in their games (Bumgarner with non-fastball pitches, Viciedo with plate discipline, Reckling with command).
Funny to think that Bumgarner and Reckling should both be breaking into AA this year, or even in High A if they had started in short-season ball. Worth watching, even if you’re an ARL skeptic like me.
Jorge Bucardo
Tonight: 5 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 HR, 3 BB, 5 K
Season: 2.67 ERA, 27 IP, 8 ER, 1 HR, 9 BB, 23 K, 4.5 GO/AO, .208 AVG
Play ball!
If only he were a few inches taller and a few pounds heavier
Maybe he’d get more love from the scouts…
Eric Surkamp
A slightly disappointing start, but not too awful…
6 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 6 K, BB, HR
On the season: 3.10 ERA, 29 IP, 28 K, 5 BB, 28 H, HR
Not too bad for the Cal League, and he might start cropping up on prospect lists pretty soon. He’s got a legit out pitch with his curve and has enough velocity to be a legitimate prospect.
Rudy Owens
6ip 0h 0r 1bb 11k
season: 28.2 ip 22h 1hr 3bb 28k
He is...
Duke+ Better change up, fastball, and command than Duke could lead to him being a #3 caliber pitcher with a chance of being slightly better.
ETHAN MARTIN!!!!
So he's nothing like Duke then?
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
no love for brandon belt from the giants fans?
1-1, double off the wall, 4 walks
season: .408 BA, .522 OBP, 1.184 OPS
he has 17 walks and only 8 k’’s in 71 ABs.
Holland
Derek Holland went 5 IP 4H 2R/ER 1BB 8K 5GO 1AO and was pulled after just 83 pitches for no apparent reason…hmm…
Scheppers had what might qualify as his first “rough” outing. 2IP 3H (1 a solo HR) 1R/ER 1BB 2K
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Wow - a walk
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by OldProspects on May 5, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hope...
Texas isn’t bringing him up to put him in the pen!
"God, I'm from Cleveland. When is it going to be our time?"
Unfortunately, that's probably exactly what Texas is going to do
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Frederick0220
Michael Saunders
3-6, bringing his season line to .195/.276/.208. His slow start seems to have been buried by all the hand wringing over Ackley’s slow start.
Rangers
Joe Wieland: 6.0IP 5H 3R 3ER 1BB 8K 0HR
Braden Tullis: 2.1IP 2H 0R 1BB 5K
Miguel Velazquez: 1-4 2BB SB
Leury Garcia: 1-3 3BB 3SB
Edwin Garcia: 3-5
Carlos Pimentel: 5.0IP 4H 0R 2BB 2K
Mike Bianucci: 2-4 2B K
Blake Beavan: 5.0IP 8H 4R 4ER 2BB 7K 0HR
Zach Phillips: 1IP 0H 0BB 3K
Marcus Lemon: 2-4 2B CS
Chad Tracy: 0-5
Chris Davis: 1-4 BB K RBI
Brandon Boggs: 3-3 3B 2RBI 2BB CS
Mitch Moreland: 1-5 2B 2RBI
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He was lucky across the board in 2009.
Unless we see a significant increase in his peripherals, 2010 will likely be a disappointment for Kershaw fans.
Of course, pitching in Dodger Stadium has something to do with that luck, so it might not change as much as it should.
Dodger Stadium hasn’t even been kind to Clayton this year.
I got so much crap here for trying to rein in Kershaw fanboys last year. Looks like he really might not be that dominant ace just yet.
to say the least
One of the guys in that thread projected he would give up 110 hits in 202 innings!
That went way past “not qualified to give a reasonable projection of Clayton Kershaw” and into “not qualified to ever talk about baseball ever again”.
I got so much crap here for trying to rein in Kershaw fanboys last year. Looks like he really might not be that dominant ace just yet.
Not even close. He has some things he does really well and some things he does really poorly.
I got ridiculed for saying I’d take Billingsley and Kemp over him. I’m not 100% sold he ever makes the jump, even with his great stuff.
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Come on now...
just look at his age. I never thought he was an “ace”, but looking at all he has accomplished, his age, and his stuff, I find it unlikely he doesn’t have at least a couple of years where he is a top 3 pitcher in both leagues.
ETHAN MARTIN!!!!
I find it unlikely he doesn’t have at least a couple of years where he is a top 3 pitcher in both leagues.
That’s kind of an outrageous thing to say. Top 3 is a ridiculously high standard.
Forget his age (which doesn’t mean all that much for pitchers, who don’t develop the same as hitters). Look at his control. Unless he drastically improves his command and control he has no chance of being a top 3 pitcher in the bigs.
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Al, age matters a good deal for pitchers
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Frederick0220
It matters less than for position players though
Point is his age isn’t a big deal in terms of predicting his future success. Its a mark in his favor, sure, but not a huge one.
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It really doesn't.
The normal age curve is completely destroyed by dead-arms, the injury nexus, and general wear and tear. It’s really not uncommon for pitchers who make it up as early as Kershaw to peak by age 23.
Or for guys who are 29 to develop a new pitch and dominate for years.
Ask Cliff Lee, Chris Carpenter, Jamie Moyer, etc…
No, you got crap because you told us that Jorge De La Rosa was far more talented than Clayton Kershaw
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
Looking back...
I’m not sure if my previous comment was clear enough for you.
It’s sad that you can’t tell the difference between “DLR is pitching equally well or better than Kershaw this season, despite their disparate ERAs,” and “DLR is way more talented than Kershaw!” Sad, but not unexpected.
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