The Minor League Ball Draft Catch-All Thread
With the major league draft fast approaching, I figured that I as well as others might benefit from having a thread specifically for draft-related information and questions. Signability of various players will probably be a hot topic (and stuff that's good to know for the Mock Draft).
A few things to start off, based on Frankie Piliere's new Mock Draft.
-Supposedly, the Royals are hot on Asher Wojc!@#%&*. They had a huge contingent to watch him this weekend, and with no pick after No. 4 until the second round, they're either thinking that he could drop massively . . .or more likely, they're thinking about him at No. 4. It's probably the latter . . .you don't send your scouting director to watch a kid with a week to go before the draft for the hell of it.
-Mike Kvasnicka seems to have tons and tons of helium, and with a paucity of solid college bats an increasing number of teams seem to be coming to the realization that they might have to think a little more outside of the box to get a guy that fits their MO.
-Piliere has Yordy Cabrera to Oakland at No. 10 . . .despite the Boras connection he sounds eminently signable (probably due to his age), but while his upside is impressive I just don't buy him at all. Nice raw power, but that's about it - I don't think he'll hit for average, and his pitch recognition needs work. I'd hate to gamble a top 10 pick on that package.
Now, my own contribution . . .wondering if anybody has heard anything on the signability of Stanford commits Brian Ragira, A.J. Vanegas, and Lonnie Kauppila. I really like Vanegas, would not want to let him get away to college. Kauppila reminds me a lot of Ryan Jackson (the recent Miami shortstop and Cardinals draftee), and I suspect he gets to campus. I know Ragira is pretty big on going to school, and I'd probably let him go - I suspect he's a tweener, but some time in college might help him mature better and maximize his power potential.
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Asher Wojciechowski
Based on everything I have seen written about Wojciechowski, Kansas City taking him at No. 4 overall would be a monumental overdraft.
yeah, but they're not really looking at that now
At this point you like to see the guy pitching well, but you’re not looking at the statline, you’re looking at what he’s throwing, how he’s throwing it. I’m sure every single one of those guys in that Royals contingent has seen Woj’s stats. They’re looking for the stuff that you can’t see in the numbers, and the stuff that doesn’t always show up that well on film.
I tend to think so too
But the fact that he’s under consideration (and there’s no other way to spin it other than KC’s scouting department being utterly incompetent) really shows the dissatisfaction that teams are feeling about this crop of college pitchers, which is becoming increasingly evident as teams are making those final checks. I think Woj would be an overdraft, but it’s good to think about what he offers so that we can understand what draws teams to him. He’s a college guy with an ideal pitcher’s build, two plus pitches, and he throws strikes. How many other guys offer that package this year?
It should probably also be said that KC is generally an organization that isn’t afraid to throw some money around in the draft, although I don’t know if the recession has affected them. If they took Woj, they could probably actually get him below slot. I’m guessing that with this draft being relatively rich in talented prep players that might drop due to signability, the Royals might try to take advantage of this by using the shopping list approach that the Pirates used last year to such great effect.
Cabrera
I completely agree with you about him. He strikes me as another Wendell Fairley. Also, as far as the Stanford kids go, I believe BA said that Venegas was likely to go to pro ball, but Ragira was likely headed to school.
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cabrera/fairley
Not sure I see that . . .Fairley played himself into the first round as a signability guy with late helium, while Cabrera has been in the first round discussion for quite a while. I do think Cabrera’s power will play (it’s very impressive), just don’t think he’ll hit for average.
I wonder just how much Vanegas wants . . .I was under the impression that he was likely heading off to school because of his Stanford commitment, but he’d sign for first round money then I can add him to my Mock Draft board.
Cabrera/Fairley
I see them comparable because they were both older than their competitors, and are both toolsy guys. Though Cabrera’s arm and power are definitely better than Fairley’s.
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by Gobroks on Jun 1, 2010 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*Oh and Vanegas
I think he’d sign for 1st rd money
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by Gobroks on Jun 1, 2010 12:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
two cents on draft info
why would any scouting directors or anyone within the organization give any valid information to a national publication such as BA or Fanhouse etc.?? They all know Callis and Pilliere et al use this info for their mock drafts and write ups, so if the Angels are truly high on Griffin Murphy, would they really tell these guys these things? Maybe I’m a conspiracy theorist, but If I love a guy and am very high on a guy, I am telling nobody.
good question
I understand the whole “scouts are underappreciated and like having somebody talk to them” angle, and maybe that’s true, but business is business and most people understand the need to stay quiet.
Still, a scout who talks to somebody at Baseball America gives them valuable information – it’s information that they used to distinguish themselves, and that they use in the publication of materials that they charge money for. I’m guessing most if not all of those guys aren’t dumb about the business, they know the value of their information, and they want something in return. Obviously recognition isn’t the reward, because they have to remain anonymous. So what can they possible receive in return?
Pretty easy answer. My personal suspicion is that there is a LOT of “under the table” information trading that goes on unreported. Like, a scout who has recently scouted Delino DeShields (random example) gives information to Baseball America, and gets some information back from BA that another scout gave them on another prospect. Now, teams have information on pretty much every major draft prospect obviously thanks to their own organizational efforts, but trading for information from the “brokers” is an easy way to quickly check up on things and to get another perspective on a prospect of interest. This information travels faster through those networks than it ever will through the means that we have access to – that’s why all of a sudden we’ve seen Mike Kvasnicka fly up draft boards 40-50 slots seemingly overnight – teams aren’t that irrational, they’ve been on him for quite a while, and it’s only now getting written up.
Well, that’s my theory anyways.
I don't know if I agree with that
I know some of the guys at BA, and I know some front office guys as well. I don’t think there is too much info BA would give to an organization that the organization couldn’t get on their own. Obviously they could give opinions on guys, but I don’t know how much value there is there.
We are talkin about an industry where Braves scouts were hiding in the bushes to keep a low profile when scouting Heyward in order to not tip their hand. I think there is probably as much mis information pumped through the network as there is good info.
As far as the prospect handbook and those types of works, I know each writer spends several hours talking w/ the scouts, scouting directors etc., because they want as much good info to be written about their guys.
agreed except for
any writer/reporter worth their salt would mostly ignore what teams say and go based on whom they are scouting.
If KC is sending area and roving scouts for 2nd and 3rd looks at a player in the month leading up to the draft then they are definitely interested. Each team has only so many scouts and can’t afford to play around this way just to throw off the opposition.
not really true
you always see Callis and the big boys talkin about how they are workin the phones and such. . . they get a ton of input from people in the organizations, and they are just one guy, they can’t see most of the players
Rob Brantly
C UC Riverside
Read he has a first round bat but questions about his D at catcher. A first round stick is valuable. Where does anyone seeing Brantly landing?
I love Vitek 2B
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 2, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions

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