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MiLB 5/3

On this day, 35 years ago, the good Lord gave us Christina Hendricks. 

some starters on the bump for today:

Aroldis Chapman
Jeremy Hellickson
Chris Tillman
Tim Alderson
Mauricio Robles
Mark Rogers
Martin Perez
TJ House
Jake Odorizzi
Cody Scarpetta
Kyle Lobstein

 

and its after noon, so Mike Stanton and Carlos Peguero have already hit home runs.

I don't have milb.tv, but anyone who does might want to be tuning in right now to see Wil Myers play... my crush has 4 homers and a .391 OBP over his last 10 games. dude will hit

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Christina Hendrick's Prospect Status

Is going wayyyyyyyyyyy up in my book. They should have started her off in DD…er, I mean, AA

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by Mets2k9 on May 3, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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by gatling on May 3, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Her Bday

Just got a mention on PTI.

by killa on May 3, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is her name?

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by acie4mvp on May 3, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christina Hendricks

She’s the woman daveh33 mentioned in the opening line.

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by gatling on May 3, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burlington/Quad Cities is on MLB Network also

Myers just hit an RBI double.

He doesn’t wear batting gloves, which is pretty badass.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on May 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

sure thing

watching these low level minor league games really gives you appreciation for the fundamentals and “baseball IQ” of Major League players. been some mistakes that really shouldn’t have been.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on May 3, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah

Wish I got the mlb network, arggg damn Canada.

by The_Bunk on May 3, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doug "The Thug" Mirabelli

-1 and only member of the Nick Weglarz fan club!

by Jgaztambide on May 3, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

officially a double

supposedly went to third on the throw. not sure what throw because the coverage of the game kinda sucks, but yeah.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on May 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

god damn

Myers just gunned a guy down on the bases and it wasn’t even close!

baseball rules.

by doublestix on May 3, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

The announcers were like “Holy!” “What was that!??” “Laser…” “Inning ends on a.. cannon (laughter)”

I see why they’re keeping him at catcher.

by alskor on May 3, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Trout

jacks another one out.

he is uber-impressive.

by daveh33 on May 3, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

sure could

he’s top 25 for me right now.

was not expecting this kind of immediate dominance… he’s been burning the basepaths up, and now he’s hitting some home runs for good measure.

by daveh33 on May 3, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depending on who’s ranking. Given how low he is on the totem pole, not sure if I could squeeze him into my Top 10, but I can’t imagine him being out of the Top 25. He strikes me as the 2010 version of 2009 Westmoreland, only he’s doing it at a higher level and playing the field everyday.

by PhillyFriar on May 3, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with Philly

There’s to many guys ahead of him who won’t graduate and doing well enough to merit him skipping ahead of them. He’s definitely top 25 though

by Archie A on May 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few red flags

I like the kid and think he’s top 100 easy but I’m not convinced he’s top 25 and definitely not buying into the top 10 yet. His BAPIP is .447 heading into today and his line drive % is 8%. ISOp is .139 heading into today. He’s definitely putting up the ridiculous numbers so far but his OPS is gaudy right now because of the high BA that is unsustainable.

Just for comparison sake he and Wilmer Flores were born a day apart and are both in low A. Flores slash line is .341/.388/.560. Flores has a high BAPIP too (.359) but nothing like Trout and his ISOP is .219. Flores is also striking out at a lower clip. I don’t see anybody flipping out about Flores jumping up to the Top 10 yet and deservedly so but I like him better as a prospect than Trout.

by joerote on May 3, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

all things being equal then

i’d rather have Flores. I think he is destined for a corner, not necessarily LF.

by BryceHarper on May 3, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's his next move

with thoughts that he’ll move to RF/LF down the road. His value would certainly increase if he can stick at 3B.

by BryceHarper on May 3, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: Corner OF

There is no chance he winds up a corner OF. He is way too slow. He will go from SS → 3B → 1B if he moves off third. I think he’ll stick there. Remember he is a very raw international talent.

by JD Sussman on May 3, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

LASER

Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

by PissedMick on May 4, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Laser, rocket arm..."

is a reference to a Peyton Manning commercial.

by alskor on May 4, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arm

A players arm is so insignificant in terms of his overall value it is barely worth mentioning here. Additionally, why wouldn’t that be an asset at third base?

Overall it is difficult to find a plus outfielder with subpar speed. He is a 20 on the 20-80 scale. He won’t be an OF unless he is pushed there by Wright and Davis.

by JD Sussman on May 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

20??

as in Bengie Molina 20?

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by gore51 on May 4, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

i always just assumed he’d have average speed, since he’s at SS and they are usually athletic, but I guess Bengie Molina once was a SS too….

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by gore51 on May 5, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

No...

Flores is incredible slow. I’ve seen him listed a pure 20 runner from more than one source. There’s some speculation he broke his foot and it healed wrong. He can’t run for s*** and he’s definitely not a SS.

by alskor on May 5, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still hoping for 3B

But if he ends up in LF, I think the difference in the bats is fairly substantial. Assuming Flores is a LF, they would be close in my rankings right now but I would give the edge to Flores.

by joerote on May 3, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carlos Peguero

1-3 10HR.

Keeping his OBP up too. Move him up your rankings.

by BryceHarper on May 3, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

quick blueprint/roughdraft of a top 40 spects for me, as of today

mostly just to show guys whose tools are turning into skills / or who have more tools/skills than i previously thought . also accounting for graduations / guys currently in the show…

1. Michael Stanton – OF FLA
2. Stephen Strasburg – P WAS
3. Carlos Santana – C CLE
4. Buster Posey – C SF
5. Jesus Montero – C/DH NYY
6. Aroldis Chapman – P CIN
7. Desmond Jennings – CF TB
8. Dustin Ackley – CF/2B SEA
9. Domonic Brown – OF PHI
10. Martin Perez – P TEX
11. Mike Montgomery – P KC
12. Jeremy Hellickson – P TB
13. Starlin Castro – SS CHC
14. Pedro Alvarez – 3B/1B PIT
15. Christian Friedrich – P COL
16. Logan Morrison – 1B/OF FLA
17. Aaron Hicks – CF MIN
18. Devaris Gordon – SS LAD
19. Tyler Matzek – P COL
20. Julio Teheran – P ATL
21. Wil Myers – C KC
22. Freddie Freeman – 1B ATL
23. Mike Trout – CF LAA
24. Brett Wallace – 1B TOR
25. Matthew Moore – P TB
26. Lonnie Chisenhall – 3B CLE
27. Kyle Drabek – P TOR
28. Alex Colome – P TB
29. Shelby Miller – P Stl
30. Mike Moustakas – 3b KC
31. Arodys Vizcaino – P ATL
32. Michael Taylor – OF OAK
33. Casey Kelly – P BOS
34. Chris Carter – 1B/DH OAK
35. Kyle Gibson – P MIN
36. Chris Withrow – P LAD
37. Aaron Crow – P KC
38. Jordan Lyles – P HOU
39. Fernando Martinez – OF NYM
40. Nick Weglarz – OF CLE

 

by daveh33 on May 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

STANTON OVER STARSBURG, zOMG YOU CRAZY

Seriously though… Castro, Gordon, Myers and Lyles have some serious helium right now.

by PhillyFriar on May 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stanton is so very legit right now.

He can’t not be #1….

Castro and Gordon have been really impressive. particularly Gordon to me… he looks very impressive right now. I had Lyles at 41 on my feb list, so he hasn’t moved too far up, as I was expecting him to do well in AA

by daveh33 on May 3, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know, Stanton has had one crazy start to the season

But considering his limitations with making contact and where he can play defensively, wouldn’t Strasburg still rank ahead of him? Strasburg is crazy.

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by Satchel Price on May 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a fun debate, and I’m still going with Stras, but I think it’s more semantics than anything else. Everyone’s pretty well aware of the respective upsides, limitations, etc., and at some point it becomes a subjective personal preference thing.

by PhillyFriar on May 3, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Stanton is going to walk as much as he is going to strikeout

then his limitation is greatly diminished. in fact, he has no limitation if he keeps close to a 1:1 bb:k ratio. dude is OBPing over .500 right now because he is walking so much

by daveh33 on May 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t see Stanton keeping that ratio though. Goldstein’s reports on him indicate that Southern League pitchers have basically stopped pitching to him, and that simply doesn’t happen in the majors to anyone not named Barry Bonds.

by PhillyFriar on May 3, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Stanton is going to walk as much as he is going to strikeout

Which he will not be doing, unless he drastically cuts down on his Ks. He’s not going to have a 23% BB rate in the bigs.

by aCone419 on May 3, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lyles

Yeah, you were expecting a 19-year-old to make a (nearly) flawless transition from A to AA.

Reasonable expectations! Absolutely!

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by criminal type on May 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I was never super high on Ackley … and his performance so far, albeit with a really small sample size, doesn’t indicate SUPERSTAR potential.

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by criminal type on May 3, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm on board with a lot of this

I like the aggressive ranking on Weglarz, Gibson, Colome, and Myers. Some of my personal favorites

I’m still a Drabek doubter, and I’m not quite so high on Vizcaino, but I like how that list looks

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by Jgaztambide on May 3, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would put Tony Sanchez...

over Weglarz. Catcher with good defnsive ability tearing apart the FSL. He is going to be AMAZING!

ETHAN MARTIN!!!!

by joegonzo on May 3, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I’d go with Strasburg mainly because he has zero red flags while Stanton’s only one is an elevated K rate. The ranking that I strongly disagree with is Chapman. I wouldn’t put him in my top 50 at this point. He’ll never make it as a starter because he reaches 100 pitches by the 5th inning every game, just like today’s game. All he’s got is a 100 MPH heater, pretty much the anti-Leake.

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by WayneCampbell08 on May 3, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a pretty sweeping judgment to make regarding a 22-year old defector after just 5 pro starts (all of them Triple-A), don’t you think?

by PhillyFriar on May 3, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree that Strasburg has zero red flags

Scouts have said that Strasburg’s mechanics could lead to arm trouble down the road.

by Hank Aaron on May 4, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jacob Turner?

Falls out of the picture b/c of the forearm tightness?

He’s looked as good as any prep pitchers in ST and A ball so far.

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by Wilbur Wood on May 4, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Turner still has to be ahead of Shelby Miller right now. He was looking more dominant prior to the forearm issue. Of course, if it turns into TJ I might be convinced otherwise.

by guru4u on May 4, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I almost put him on there

decided to put Weglarz instead… he is not far behind Miller, but I like Miller a bit better

by daveh33 on May 4, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is clearly better than Shelby Miller

Better breaking ball, better command.

Putting a guy like Weglarz over him is borderline crazy.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am most confident that Weglarz will hit in MLB

his ceiling may not be as high as the other names on the list… but I am very certain that he will hit. and notice how I wrote “as of today” … meaning the list is pretty tied to current performance/trends…. and for a HS kid to have arm trouble within the first month of his full-season debut kind of worries me…

by daveh33 on May 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

Stras has an era a bit above 1.50, is striking out 11 per 9, walking only 2.5 per 9, and a whip of .85. Stanton’s been lights out, but Stras hasn’t exactly been slummin’ it. He’s still my #1

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by Mets2k9 on May 3, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

i think if I had him as my #1 before, then I might still have him there

as it was, I had Heyward #1…. and I don’t regret that at all.

not including today’s stats… Stanton is ISOPing .512…. let me rephrase that. .512. through 111 PA.

and he has another home run today.
last year in AA : 9.1 BB%, 29.1 K%
this year in AA: 22.5 BB%, 21.6 K%

I’m sorry but he is the top dawg right now. he is showing real improvement in cutting down his K’s… his BB% is rising faster than my boner, and his power is otherworldly. his wOBA right now is .515 …. he is putting up high school numbers in the Southern League, and he will be 20 years old this entire season.

by daveh33 on May 3, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

up to

523 ISO after today pretty amazing

by Fishfan79 on May 3, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bowden going for Pawsox.
What do people think of Bowden? I thinks he’ll be a bust.

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by bestbostonsports on May 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I see him...

being a solid #3 if he ever pitches in the bigs for them

ETHAN MARTIN!!!!

by joegonzo on May 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He totally went off the rails when he got promoted to Triple-A. Not sure exactly why, but he’s never really recovered. Strikes me as the sort of guy who’s in between roles at this point — unless something changes, he’s not good enough to be a starter, and his skill set is not a good fit for the bullpen.

by PhillyFriar on May 3, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lacks a real out pitch and mechanical changes have set his command back. Fringy starter at best currently and that would have to be outside the AL East. Has youth on his side and will need to be reevaluated should he settle in with his new mechanics. But right now it’s simply not good.

by eriatarka on May 3, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan Schafer

is debuting tonight correct?

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by acie4mvp on May 3, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

D. Robinson

1-3, 2bb/1k – continues his hot hitting and ability to get on base

by hybrid on May 3, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Moustakas

same game 2-3, double, bb – are there any Royals hitting prospects who aren’t hitting great right now? Kila, Moose, Robinson, Hosmer, Myers, etc

by hybrid on May 3, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hosmer

1-2, double, bb – at least something is going well for royals fans right now

by hybrid on May 3, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

noticed a lot of Hosmer's doubles are going to left and center

one of the few knocks on him as an amateur was that he didn’t pull the ball much. if/when he figures this out, could be a friggin monster. i seem to remember Adrian Gonzalez having this same sort of knock (i think, might be wrong). he’s become awesome even in that ballpark because he now can crush it out to RF.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on May 3, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

jerry sands

continues to dominate..

just another day

2 for 2 with a homer and a walk

Promote

by matthewmafa on May 3, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Austin Romine 1-1 HR 1 BB

Hitting .357 with a 10/13 BB/K. Talk about a breakout this year, he is pushing Montero now IMO to beat him to NY if Posada has a major injury.

by Bravesin07 on May 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a big fan

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by The Big Hurt on May 3, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trayce Thompson

Currently 2/3 with his 4th home run

This after a recent 1-16 stretch.

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by The Big Hurt on May 3, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Ryan Kalish

A low BABIP is hiding his great start:

.230/.381/.432, 20BB, 9K, 4HR, 7SB, 1CS, .203BABIP

by Jeff Reese on May 3, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Love it

Power, speed, control of the zone…he’ll be fine even if he has to play in a corner.

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by gatling on May 3, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neil Ramirez

6 ip, 9k, 0bb

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on May 3, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

Of course the way his season’s gone he’ll walk 9 and K none next time out. I really like this kid and hope he’s getting things together. So talented.

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by gatling on May 3, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Leake

6 IP, 4 H, 2 R (1 ER), 1 BB, 4 K against the Mets tonight

Season numbers: 5 GS, 33.2 IP, 28 H, 2 HRA, 16 BB, 22 K, 2.94 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 59% GB%

He had 12 walks in his first two starts over 13.2 IP. Over his past 20 innings, he’s allowed just 4 walks and struck out 14.

by Geki on May 3, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

Still early in the season, but this is awesome.

by mrkupe on May 3, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another bomb for Mike Stanton today

Unless I’m reading something wrong: 2-4, HR, K.

Unreal.

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by Jivas on May 3, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

how about this blast from the past

Phil Humber: 7 ip, 2 h, 0 r, 0 bb, 7 k

baseball rules.

by doublestix on May 3, 2010 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

O = M = G

really?

Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 3, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

JC Ramirez

7 IP
4H
1ER
1BB
7 K

He’s been all kinds of inconsistent this year.

by slamcactus on May 3, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Wilson Ramos

ohh, he only ended up with a 4-5 Major League Debut at the plate yesterday
and today he decides to settle for a 3-4 game with 1 more AB likely pending.

Not to mention he’s every bit as good as that Mauer guy behind the dish

Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 3, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I hated the Mauer extension absolutely hated it

Because I knew Ramos was a stud, and Mauer a future left-fielder/ 3rd basmen / 1st basemen isn’t worth 23-24 M a year
he should have got 18-20 22 tops…

Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 3, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok I was a little bit firm there

But from the moment of the news of the extension
I disliked it for my twins.

1. Mauer has an injury history, period.

2. He doesn’t have A-Fraud or Albert Pujols type of game changing Power, or intimidation
(don’t get me wrong he intimidates the Heck out of pitchers just not the same way Bonds or Pujols does)

3. He gets Sundays off regularly becasue of the position he plays, SO WHY TWINS WHY?

without realizing it, they made what was sooooo fun about the Twins, and what made them My Favorite team and many other fans like me’s billy beane phillospy like franchise into an orgainzation that just spent over 1/4 of the ENTIRE cap on 1 friggn player…..

Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 3, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Best player in the game and HoF track catcher >>> Latino A.J. Pierzynski

by mrkupe on May 3, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I should probably note

That’s his upside, not what he actually is at this point.

by mrkupe on May 3, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude we went fishing in Cabo

by wilriv21 on May 3, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playstation is for children

And Mauer, yes a Minnesota boy, doesn’t actually fish

Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 3, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is not even allowed in a fish house

by wilriv21 on May 3, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randal Grichuk

2-4, HR, K
3 HRs in last 3 days

by legger06 on May 3, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Matt Rox' #6

Tim Alderson
5 IP, 5 R (4 ER), 9 H, 0 HR, 0 BB, 8 K. 7 GO:0 AO

I guess this is an improvement…

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by gore51 on May 3, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

how did he manage to get all those K's?

were they all looking? no way the majority were swinging…

by daveh33 on May 3, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christina Hendricks was in the crowd

front row

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by gore51 on May 3, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odd start

He struck out more guys tonight than he did in his previous four games combined. Combining that with his 7 ground outs, you have to call this his best start of the year, right?

by Jeff Reese on May 3, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Juan Francisco

4-5, 3 2B

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by gore51 on May 3, 2010 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Nick Noonan

3-5, HR. in AA

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by gore51 on May 3, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Wynn Pelzer

one of John’s guys:
6 IP, 4 H, 1 R (Unearned), 4 K, 2 BB.

Also, I saw Wilking Rodriguez went, not too great:
5 IP, 3 R, 8 H, 2 K, BB

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by gore51 on May 3, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

apparently Martiin Perez threw today

5 Ip, 1 R, 4 H, 4 K, 3 BB.

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by gore51 on May 4, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Re:

Maybe it’s nickpicky, but I’m a little worried about his stamina. Seems like he always is pretty dominant for 3-4IP and then gets knocked around after that. I realize he didn’t get killed today — but this does seem to be a repeat pattern.

by Dfarth on May 4, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not too worried

he’s 19 and in AA. If he’s 22 and still struggling, then I could see something to worry about.

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by gore51 on May 4, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

For Sure

Like I said, it’s nitpicky. But I think lasting longer in games is his biggest hurdle to the majors. It will be interesting to see how he develops in that regard….

by Dfarth on May 4, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He only threw 80 pitches tonight

Maybe they’re intentionally limiting him, I don’t know.

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by t ball on May 4, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re:

I’m talking about effectiveness more than pitch count.

by Dfarth on May 4, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he just turned 19 a month ago

and is striking out 24% in AA. I’m not too worried. Elvis had less than overwhelming stats, too, when he was very young for each level. I expect Perez to adjust just fine, as Elvis did and his line will improve month to month over the season.

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by t ball on May 4, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aroldis Chapman

5Ip, 6 R, 1 BB, 8 K, 9 H

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by gore51 on May 4, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

He has two HRs now - one off a LHP as a RHH & one off a RHP as a LHH

Both were absolute blasts… no doubt, pitcher didn’t turn around HRs.

His first jack was off Gavin Floyd and travelled 411 feet (true distance 409 ft.). Here is the path:


http://hittrackeronline.com/hrdetail.php?id=2010_598

The chart and data for tonight’s wont be up until tomorrow… but I’m guessing ~390-400 ft.

by alskor on May 4, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some video

HR #1: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7730903
HR #2: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7817987

Interestingly his video page on mlb.com already has three defensive plays on it -
1) “Smoak shows his range”: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7608667
2) “Smoak’s sweet stop”: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7672105
3) “Smoak’s leaping grab”: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7727307

It is not too late to buy stock in this kid, no. Come jump on the bandwagon. We’ll even forget you questioned his power for no good reason (yes, being concerned over SSS splits on a guy coming off a lingering oblique injury in AAA a year after being drafted in the face of scouting reports to the contrary = no good reason.).

by alskor on May 4, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's been having solid at bats

and for the most part not swinging at anything bad. Several well hit outs before he smacked his first hit. And had a HR absolutely stolen by Ichiro yesterday. http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7801747

Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam

by t ball on May 4, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

frankly

Coming out of college, if there was a question about his bat, it was whether or not he would hit for average. The power wasn’t a question.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

those are beautiful

his lefty stroke looks like Chipper

by daveh33 on May 4, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Saunders

Showing signs of life after a terrible start to the season. Last 3g, 4-9, double, 4bb/1k, 3sb

by hybrid on May 4, 2010 2:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Hellickson with another gem.

7 IP, 4 H, 1 HR, 2 ER, 8 Ks, 0 BB.

On the year:

6 G, 5-0, 35 IP, 2.57 ERA, 1.086 WHIP, 9 K/9, 1.8 BB/9.

When he’s still rookie eligible next year where will he slot? Gotta be top 5-10 right?

by rglass44 on May 4, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

well actually

He was better in AAA last year than this year, so how much higher can you push him on the basis of this year’s performance?

He’s about as much of a sabermetric darling as you can find, but still . . .

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So continued dominance doesn't bump him along with graduations?

His scouting reports have been pretty glowing for at least a year now. He got swinging strikes on 15% of his pitches at AAA this year, and he’s right there again. He has swing and miss stuff and great control.

What pitchers do you think will be better that will be prospects still next year?

by rglass44 on May 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

numbers are good

But there’s still only so much you can take from them.

The question isn’t which pitchers are better prospects (ranking prospects relatively rather than absolutely never ends up well), it’s which prospects.

I had Hellickson at No. 14 last year, which is still pretty high and higher than BA (No. 18).

Interesting note: When Jim Callis was asked about guys with No. 1 starter potential, he specifically omitted Hellickson.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

IDK your list specifically.

I’m assuming you have some combo of Heyward, Stras, Matusz, Feliz, Posey, and Santana on there. I’d expect all of them to lose rookie eligibility, so unless he gets vaulted by a few guys he’d be right at the top 10. That was my question.

Number 1 starter potential is what will carry Feliz to the bullpen and Chapman as well. I’ll take a 2 starter.

by rglass44 on May 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

“Number 1 starter potential is what will carry Feliz to the bullpen and Chapman as well. I’ll take a 2 starter.”

Explain please.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They throw hard.

They don’t have great control or secondary offerings. Both seem like they may never be starters in a big league rotation.

by rglass44 on May 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

so

It doesn’t sound like you think either one of them has No. 1 starter potential.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have the potential.

They don’t have the liklihood.

I guess my issue is what is number 1 stuff and why is it so important. Do the Rays have a true number 1? No, but they have the best record in baseball. Did any of the Braves HoF triumvirate have number 1 stuff?

by rglass44 on May 4, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, all three of them did.

All three of them had multiple aspects of their games that rated as at least 70s and in some cases true 80s on the 20-80 scale.

Hellickson doesn’t have that. The BA top 100 list noted his best grade is on his command, which gets a 65.

If you’re looking for guys to be true No. 1 starters, then you need to find guys who grade out exceptionally high in at least one part of the game. Fastball velocity is a popular choice of focus for prospect-watchers because it has appeal both quantitatively and qualitatively, but it’s by no means the only way a pitcher can become truly elite.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen multiple reports that has

everyone of his pitches between 55-60. So you put 3 plus pitches with nearly plus-plus command, you have the potential for an ace. Certainly it’s more likely he’s a #2, but he could easily have ‘ace’ stuff.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on May 4, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

I was responding to another poster who brought up Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz, and I explained that they all had multiple parts of their games that rated as 70s if not 80s, which Hellickson doesn’t.

And you just responded with “every one of his pitches is between 55-60”, and BA has his command as 65.

Where did we disagree?

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ultimately it's numbers on the scouting scale are

very educated hypothesis about how ones stuff will translate to the show. I’ve read scouts saying Hellickson is better than Price and clearly Price has ace potential. I doubt many scouts would have rated anything Glavine did in the minors a 70/80 because scouts are ultimately going to conservative with guys that are pitchability types because they’re not sure how exactly big league hitters will react to their command even if they have above-average stuff. I guess my only real disagreement is that his ceiling isn’t an ace. I think he could be an ace. Will he be? Probably not, but I would say that about every pitcher not named Stasburg.

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by Tyler on May 4, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think I can go more than a couple spots higher

His ceiling remains unchanged and I was already pretty certain he was a MLB ready, very good pitcher. There isn’t a whole lot he can do to go higher this year for me. The guys above him were already overwhelmingly guys with superstar kind of ceilings… a few guys will jump him this year based on ceiling again.

by alskor on May 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

again

Where he rates among pitchers is irrelevant. He could (although probably won’t) be the top pitcher in the minors and still not rate among the top 10 prospects overall.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's still clearly behind at least Chapman, Perez, Turner (if healthy) and Matzek (as well as presumed grads Stras, Feliz, Matusz)

and could easily end up behind guys like Kyle Drabek, Casey Kelly, Julio Teheran, Christian Friedrich, Tanner Scheppers, Alex Colome (yes really), Simon Castro, Jennry Mejia, Mike Montgomery, etc…

If any of those guys has an excellent season (which most of them are having great seasons in the same neighborhood as Hellickson) and had better scouting reports (not a huge stretch – though Hellickson’s reports are very good now) they could easily end up above him for me. Lets take Scheppers as an example. If he stays healthy all year with that stuff… hard to keep him down. His stuff is much better than Hellickson’s, and that’s nothing against Hellickson. Teheran – same kind of thing.

We’re only a month in and lots of things could happen still…

by alskor on May 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need to presume

Matusz is already over 50 IP.

by aCone419 on May 4, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Casey Kelly's a joke.

That is all. When he Ks a guy an inning I’ll buy his great stuff.

by rglass44 on May 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI

Kelly has 10 K’s in 10.2 IP as one of the youngest players in AA. He’s 20 years old in his first full season of pitching and league average for pitchers is 24.3.

by alskor on May 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

That’s why it was half tongue in cheek.

by rglass44 on May 4, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no prospect in baseball I dislike more.

Not his stuff or his potential. I just hate the hype surrounding him. It nauseates me. I at least will admit to an extreme bias against him.

by rglass44 on May 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

tell it PHAN

his longest outing this year is 3 1/3 innings, as well.

by T Pac on May 4, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not me.

This is pretty much exactly the response I envisioned. It seemed like you were looking for names to nitpick, but I figured Id give them to you anyway.

by alskor on May 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for nitpicking.

I just think it’s frustrating that a guy who has great stuff (as evidenced by his high K and swinging strike numbers) gets lumped in as “not number 1 material” because he doesn’t throw 96.

by rglass44 on May 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

but that's not the reason

It’s not just that his fastball doesn’t get a really high grade, it’s that NONE of his pitches get a really high grade.

Command is a frustrating thing to figure out, but usually it’s better to err on the side of caution. Sometimes you’ll find a Matusz type who, as it turns out, lacks a true out pitch that stands above the others primarily because ALL of his pitches are out pitches. But that’s usually not the case.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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