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Either/Or: Stephen Strasburg vs. Bryce Harper

Usually for these I pick players who are very similar, play the same position, etc. But today I want to do something different.

If you could have Stephen Strasburg or Bryce Harper, which one would you pick?

Strasburg...amazing pitching talent, future number one starter (assuming he stays healthy), ready for the majors and just waiting for the service time clock to move forward a bit more. Draws comparisons to Roger Clemens and Tom Seaver. Possibly the best pitching prospect of the draft era. 21 years old.

or Harper...a 17 year old catcher with enormous power, currently dominating JUNIOR COLLEGE competition when other kids his age are mere high school juniors.

Now, your first reflex would probably be to go with Strasburg, since he's already shown what he can do in pro ball and there is less projection involved. But don't just go with your first reflex, and sit down and really think about it. Given the importance of age-relative-to-competition, the fact that Harper is absolutely dominating players two or three years older than he is should weight significantly. If he really develops into the monster hitter that scouts expect, would an everyday bat like that (especially if he remains a catcher) be more valuable than a guy who plays once a week?

Harper may end up getting a larger bonus than Strasburg did. Should he?

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If you could have either Bryce Harper or Stephen Strasburg, who would you pick?
Bryce Harper
344 votes
Stephen Strasburg
988 votes

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Olney

I think Buster Olney said it best in his blog today that Strasburg is the next Lebron James of baseball

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by Love Twins on May 21, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

If given a choice, I'd take Harper

Because he is a position player. I’m not dealing with that attrition rate, especially when there are mechanical concerns as well. On talent alone, yes, Strasburg is better, but I don’t have confidence that he will be healthy on any kind of consistent basis.

I would take Anthony Rendon over both of them, however.

by OremLK on May 21, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

So do you think Harper won’t stay at C then? Because I think you would have to worry about injuries piling up if he is behind the plate

by AKinn15 on May 21, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strasburg

I see Harper as an average (maybe slightly below) defensive RFer with big time power and a strong arm, but mediocre contact ability. I definitely go Strasburg here, but putting Rendon in the mix would complicate matters for me.

by Jeff Reese on May 21, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I fail to see the comparrison

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by Mets2k9 on May 21, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gimmie the stud everyday hitter.

"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein

by Syphon on May 21, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

High schooler position players with Harper's hype are almost always great

Throw in the fact that he should only be a junior in HS and he’s dominating in JC with a wood bat and I’m sold on Harper. I like Strasburg a lot and I thought I’d end up going with him, but the more I thought about it, the better I felt about Harper.

by nixa37 on May 21, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

This is so tough

I think Harper is going to be great. And if he becomes what he can become, he’d be my choice no matter what Strasburg becomes. The way I project them, I like Harper better even though I love Strasburg. But if you held a gun to my head today, I’d take Strasburg because he’s safer and really, really good.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

If the over/under for games caught in MLB by Bryce Harper is .5

I would take the under. I predict a Justin Upton-esque move to right field immediately following the draft.

by richieabernathy on May 21, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Even with...

Talk of moving Norris off of catcher?

I would imagine that they would at least give him a little while at the position in the minors before making such a move.

by turambar85 on May 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bonus...

Yes, it makes sense for his bonus to be higher. He has more leverage than Strasburg has, and bats typically receive larger bonuses than do arms.

But, if we’re talking talent alone, I would rather have Strasburg.

by turambar85 on May 21, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Stras for me

and I don’t really understand how people are hyping Anthony Rendon over either of them. I just don’t see it, in fact, I don’t even think I’d take Rendon #1 overall next year, Gerrit Cole and Sonny Gray are right there too.

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by gore51 on May 21, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

You my friend are crazy...

if you do not see the hype on Rendon. Just look at his stats for the past two years. He is projected to have plus hit tool, plus power, plus plus strike zone judgment, and above average defense at third. The guy is an absolute monster. I don’t really want to say it because it sounds almost crazy, but he could end up being a perennial .320 hitter with around 35-40 homers every year. Basically, he is the closest thing to Albert Pujols we will ever see come out of the draft. I would trade half my team for this guy and easily choose him over Harper or Strasburg. I think the better question would be Strasburg and Harper or Rendon? I still would consider Rendon(though I probably wouldn’t pick him over both).

As for this question, I would take Strasburg who is much closer and much more of a sure thing than Harper. I still think Harper has a disgusting swing which might keep him from being anything more than a .280 average guy with 40 homers playing decent defense in right field. I would rather have the stud, potentially once in a generation type pitcher.

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by joegonzo on May 21, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see the hype

and he is a very good prospect, top-5 in 2011 for me easily, but I could be swayed to take Cole or Gray if they have a really strong 2011 collegiate season. I like Rendon, but I have doubts about the swing, and I would really like to see how he adjusts to stronger pitching that isn’t so afraid of him. It would be really cool if there was some collegiate statistic database that showed the players stats against guys who have been/projected to be drafted in the earlier rounds (maybe top-10 rounds or so) so we can see how the player holds up against the more elite class of the NCAA arms.

As for the discussion question with the addition of Rendon, give me the pitcher who has dominated AA and AAA so far in what limited time he has over the collegiate 3B and JC C/3B/RF. I know Stras is a huge injury risk, but I love me elite pitching and if a guy like Stras turns out near his projection, he could become the player of our generation. I know Harper and Rendon have the same potential, but they still haven’t become professional baseball players, which can totally mess with some guys.

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by gore51 on May 21, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad...

they’re winning games this year. They better hustle if they want Stras, Harper, and Rendon!

by turambar85 on May 21, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stras Easily

Before April 10th, it would have been close.

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by cwhitman412 on May 21, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Strasburg

…will dominate. And so should Harper… But Strasburg had to work hard to get where he’s at. But he’ll fit in. He was undrafted out of HS.

Harper on the other hand pulled an end-around to skip the normal process. He’ll be too young to get a beer with his teammates. He won’t be able to relate to a lot of them. How do we know we’re not looking at the second coming of Josh Hamilton (the bad version)? I don’t wish that on anyone, but if I have to choose between the two, I choose Strasburg and mostly for those unknowns.

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by pffriberg on May 21, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

justin upton was too young to get beers with his teammates....

so was griffey, so was arod…and EVERY other HS player drafted…ever

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on May 21, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

now I'm too lazy to look this one up

but there is a 20 year old HS student at my school this year and there is an 18 year old sophomore who are old due to moving from foreign countries, so there might be some HS player once who was 21+ at the time.

Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson

by gore51 on May 21, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or you know, the 16 year old IFAs

There are plenty of kids that will around his age when he joins the Nationals.

by Jeff Reese on May 21, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't know the difference

… between the resources of the Devil Rays system that Hamilton came up in and the present day system that Harper would come up in. I’m not sure we can assume a significant risk of Harper’s career path being a repeat of Josh Hamilton’s. Many top teenage prospects enter and move up their respective systems without ending up like Josh Hamilton did.

by Gomez on May 21, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

Because, you know, crack addiction is the norm for high school bonus babies.

by Fanon on May 21, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Stras

I think its tougher to get a legit #1 SP than anything else in baseball, and there are no guarantees Harper stays behind the plate.

2010 Tigers contracts coming off the books:

Maggs (18M)
Willis (12M)
Bonderman (12.5M)
Robertson (9.5M still being paid this year)
Inge (6.6M)
Damon (8M)

2011 is the year of the Tiger!

by sportznut3081 on May 21, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

and Strasburg has shown he can do it at the pro-level. Harper may be better, but at this point, Burg is the choice.

by Travis G on May 22, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Selling tickets and winning games within a month...

So I take Strasburg. Strasburg could have a career somewhate similar to Mark Prior, but that’s the chance you take. If I knew anything about Harper’s strike zone discipline that would make it closer if it was good.

The stuff about Harper taunting people rubbed me the wrong way when I first read it but it seems the JC guys are razzing him pretty good – so I think it’s not a big deal given he’s 17. Last, I do not think Harper should get a larger bonus than Strasburg.

by Chris06422 on May 22, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I chose Stephen because

Championships are built on pitching and defense.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on May 22, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm a Nats fan that chooses Strasburg because he's closer to MLB ready.

The Washington Nationals were an afterthought until they got Strasburg. He comes with super stuff and has building momentum for some time. When they get him, they know that he’s going to be in the majors within a year and instantly address their credibility and start upping those season ticket renewals. Every 5 days will be a happening in DC with him around.

With Harper, the bat is certainly impressive. The makeup questions and the likely two year gestation period in the minors will create a lapse in season ticket buzz. In the DC market, all I can remember is how everyone was saying how Wieters was going to be the next Joe Mauer. He still may be, but it takes time for ballplayers from their initial debut to make that transition to superstar. And in the meantime, Matt Wieters is not drastically impacting ticket sales.

Once every 5 days for the rest of this year, DC will be a center of the baseball universe. After his inital debut, I’d be shocked if anyone can maintain a Jason Heywardesque bout of sustained must see performances.

Ian Desmond...because the future starts now for the Washington Nationals.

by souldrummer on May 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

First Thing

To call any pitcher “a guy who plays once a week” is a gross exaggeration. Without a calendar in front of me, I’d say there are about 25-26 weeks in season and most aces & #2s will have at least 35 starts in any given season so they’ll average about 1 1/2 starts per week.

As for the question at hand, it’s tough. Strasburg’s ceiling is almost as high as Harper’s but his floor is exceedingly higher than Bryce’s. So to me, that would be the deciding factor if you put a gun to my head. You could build a championship caliber team around either one of them, I believe.

If you want to toss in Rendon to muddle things up either further, go right ahead Gore. The Owls have their schedule online with links to every box score so you could find all the starters he’s had to face so far. He’s putting up video game numbers at a major college program. He’s got it all: power, patience and athleticism. I guess I would put him second but that’s still no slight to Harper. There are no real losers in this group.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on May 22, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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