Mike Stanton
by mlefkee2 on May 2, 2010 9:24 PM EDT
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PrintIs ridiculous that's about all I can say about him. I wouldn't be surprised if he is the next Ryan Howard but an Outfield with more speed. I wouldn't be surprised if Uggla is traded very soon and Coghlan moves to 2b with Stanton in RF Maybin in CF and Ross in LF. Stanton proved he could hit Major League pitching in Spring Training (hit a bomb off Liriano) and when June 1st hits, he should be called up.
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Isn't everyone jumping a bit ahead of themselves?
he hasn’t even hit in AAA yet. I think he’s gonna be great. And he could probably be pretty good if he got called up to the majors in June, but wouldn’t the marlins benefit more to leave him in AAA until september?
Put him in AAA asap
If Coghlan or Maybin dont get their asses in gear by June, bring up the monster.
JOSH THOLE > carlos santana
Miguel Cabrera
I didn’t know he played in AAA. And Sizemore does not look like his old self. Ryan Howard strikes out a lot but he hits a lot of HR. Stanton will be a great player he isn’t challenged in AA…so either move him up to AAA or the majors and challenge the kid.
Agreed
It sounds like a good chunk of the walks in AA is pitchers not wanting to pitch to him. I would like to see him with an extended look at AAA and I still think he’d get exposed rather badly by good major league pitching once the book gets out on him.
The makeup sounds great and he does seem capable of making adjustments so I have high hopes for him long term. However, patience should still be the plan for now.
it doesn't make sense
2-4, HR, 3 RBI, K…TODAY. I thought I was reading yesterday’s box score. Or Saturday’s. Unbelievable.
2/4 1 HR 3 RBI
a slow day for Mike
so in 10 games he has 9 homeruns
now stats:
360/.504/.884/1.388 13 HR 29 RBI 25 BB in 24 Games
can we safely say number 1 prospect in the minors?
You forgot the 25 strikeouts
Which places him among the top 10 in his league. Over 29% of his ABs are ending in a K. Its easy to lose sight of that in those gaudy numbers (and his numbers this year are probably the best among prospects in the minors), but it was his biggest red flag coming into the season and he hasn’t done a whole lot to alleviate those worries.
I know the percentage of PAs
However strikeout rate is generally listed as K/AB, so I stick with that convention. It allows for easier comparison to the numbers listed on a site like fangraphs. I do think that K/AB is probably a more descriptive stat, but since no one else seems to use it I don’t either.
I didn't say he hadn't made any progress
Just that he hadn’t done a whole lot to alleviate the worries about his strikeouts. To be honest, he really hasn’t. Sure the 29% K rate is better than the 33% K rate he posted in AA last year, but its also worse than the 25% K rate he had in A+ ball last year. Its improvement, but it doesn’t come close to alleviating the worry. What sort of ML K rate do you think a 29% K rate in AA translates to? I’d think it’d be significantly worse than Mark Reynolds MLB worst 38.6% K rate from last season.
Funny you bring up Mark Reynolds:
Level, Age, K-Rate
A+, 22, 26.4%
AA, 22, 32.5%
AA, 23, 23.9%
Stanton:
A+, 19, 25%
AA, 19, 33%
AA, 20, 29%
So his performance is eerily similar and he’s 3 years younger. Yet you are unsure if he’ll be able to match Reynolds’ pace?
Ryan Howard:
Year, Level, Age, K-Rate
2001, 21, A-, 32.5%
2002, 22, A, 29.4%
2003, 23, A+, 30.8%
2004, 24, AA, 34.5%
2004, 24, AAA, 33.3%
2005, 25, AAA, 31.4%
Granted I know these are confirmation bias and all, but still. I don’t see his contact problems completely dwarfing the good things he does. If Stanton is Ryan Howard and a plus defender in the corners he’s a hell of a talent.
Please point out where I said the contact problems dwarf the good things
I think he’s probably among the top 5 prospects left in the minors, if not the top 2-3. As I said earlier, his stats thus far are probably the best among prospects in the minors. I just don’t think its smart to focus only on the good stats and ignore the issues he’s still having with strikeouts. I think they make him the clear choice for the most likely elite prospect to bust.
Chill with the badittude...
I was just pointing out that the contact rates, while a concern, have improved. He has adjusted, and he is on par with some damn fine players.
Strasburg has one red flag. He’s a pitcher. Pitchers love to get hurt. I have no idea which prospect I’d rather have though. As a Rays fan, give me Stanton. As a team without so much pitching I’d probs take SS.
additionally
Stanton’s swinging strikeout rate is way down.
2008 (A): 20.8%
2009 (A+): 13.8%
2009 (AA): 21.4%
2010 (AA): 12.6%
Notice how Reynolds took a big step forward?
Then immediately went back to striking out 35+% of the time when he got the call to the bigs?
If you pay attention to what I said, I wasn’t saying that Stanton couldn’t eventually improve either, I was wondering what sort of K rate you thought he’d post in the majors right now based on his 29% K rate in AA. I personally think it would probably be north of 40% right now. Since you’re basically using a sample size of one, how about this one…
Heyward:
A+, 19, 15.9%
AA, 19, 11.7%
MLB, 20, 32.1%
Those major league pitchers throw some nasty stuff compared to the guys in AA.
Though
Those 25 walks mitigate that somewhat. I’ll take that 1 to 1 ratio anyday.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on May 3, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The 1 to 1 ratio is great
I’m just not sure I buy that the increase in BB rate corresponds to an increase in skill that will carry over to the majors. It could largely be a function of people completely pitching around him at certain points this season, as opposed to him really improving his eye or pitch selection. I’d personally rather see a worse K:BB ratio with a lower K rate, than the 1 to 1 ratio with a ridiculously high K rate.
dont you
dont you have to admit that getting pitched around has some assistance in a raise in a K rate? If you arent getting many good pitches it would normally cause your K rate to go up by swinging at some of the junk.
How is swinging at junk a good thing though?
I’m not talking about getting pitched around in the ML sense either. We’re talking about AA pitchers here, they don’t have that same sort of command. I’m really speaking of the old unintentional intentional walk where the opposition doesn’t throw anything remotely hittable.
Hmm
So what you’re saying is that he has a “ridiculously high K rate”?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on May 6, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jacksonville Suns right fielder’s name is listed on his birth certificate as "Giancarlo Cruz Michael Stanton," a long name for a long-ball hitter. The first half was given to him by his mother of Puerto Rican and African-American descent, and the second half is the same name as his Irish father.
By fifth grade, the kid’s first name had been mispronounced and misspelled so often by teachers, it just became convenient to go by Mike Stanton. Short and sweet, just like his baseball swing.
he proved what? LOL
saying that he proved he can hit MLB pitching because he hit a spring-training HR off liriano is silly
Stanton Won't Spend a Day in Triple-A
Lots of hitters have been promoted to the majors straight from AA as the Marlins did with M. Cabrera, Hermida ( who was actually promoted from single-A) and H. Ramirez. There are a few more crafty veterans in Triple-A, but otherwise the pitching is pretty much the same as AA. New Orleans is a lousy hitting environment, so they probably don’t want him to lose momentum by playing there. Stanton will be in the majors NLT June.
Hermida promoted from single-A?
How about no.
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