Dumb Decisions to begin 2010
Use this thread to discuss dumb decisions teams have made for 2010.
Keep in mind that sometimes something that looks like a bad decision can actually turn out okay, or even really good. I thought the Tigers were making a bad mistake when they jumped Porcello up last year, but that worked out fine, at least in the short run.
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Mike Jacobs
Batting cleanup. Even though they’re platooning him, it’s an awful decision. He’s got a career .325 OBP vs. RHP. This simply doesn’t make any sense.
Temporary
It’ll only be ’til Beltran comes back in May. Provided Beltran does, in fact, come back in May.
Even if that's the case
You’re wasting Bay by having him bat behind a black hole like Jacobs, lineup balance be damned.
Mike Jacobs in the lineup PERIOD is dumb
Chris Carter or Nick Evans would both be better picks to fill in, and that’s just internally.
There’s probably quite a few guys available for league min on the market.
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Evans I disagree with
He’s also pretty bad with the glove, has less power, and the Mets really didn’t need another righty in the lineup.
This isn’t to say that they couldn’t have found someone better than Jake.
Mike Jacobs +2
Dontrelle Willis over Nate Roberston
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This
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10 million dollars for Ben Sheets
Billy Beane is a brilliant revolutionary, but he’s never been good at dishing out big money. Sheets isn’t fully healthy yet and his effectiveness is seriously in question.
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+1
Don’t forget Jack Cust. They sign him to 2.5 million in January and then they cut him from the major league roster. I’m also not too sure why he gave 5.5 million to Coco Crisp when they were already stacked with OFs.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Crisp
Coco is there for two reasons. One, if/when Rajai Davis proves to be a total fluke, you need someone who can play CF full time. The A’s didn’t have anyone that really fit that description, as Sweeney can hack it there in stretches, but not for a long term hitch. Two, the CF market will be pretty much barren next year, so if Davis proves he’s somewhat legit and Crisp can get healthy and be productive, the A’s are in a position to make a deal.
He and Sheets are alike in that the A’s had to spend some money somewhere because the payroll is awfully low otherwise. Marquee free agents weren’t going to come to Oakland at this point, so you either dramatically overpay to bring a second tier guy in that could adversely effect your payroll situation long term or you make a couple of smaller, short term moves that could potentially net you some talent in trade later.
As for Cust…well that one was a bit of a surprise I will say, but according to Susan Slusser’s notes on it last night Cust has to accept the demotion to Sacramento to get that $2.5 million. If he refuses and goes on the FA market the A’s are off the hook. I have a feeling he ends up in Sacramento though and as soon as Chavy proves he can’t even DH every day or he breaks again, Cust will be back up on the MLB roster. I’d have just cut ties with Eric Patterson myself, but the day before the first games is played most teams aren’t looking for a DH and the market proved once already that Cust wasn’t a hot commodity.
They aren’t necessarily deals I’d have made in Beane’s place, but their not just random moves with no legitimate thought process behind them either.
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Crisp and Sheets
Why would Beane think he can be healthy and productive? When was the last time that occurred? The guy has never played 150 games in a season and hasn’t been a productive hitter since 2005. Why exactly was he rewarded with a 5.5 million dollar contract in an offseason when all the middle free agents were being squeezed? Oakland did not need him, especially when it is obvious that this team is not ready to compete in that division. That money would have been better spent on the draft, or a position where they had a more pressing need.
The Sheets situation is ridiculous to me. They spent 10 million on a guy that nobody else was bidding close to that amount. He is constantly hurt, and now has to make the jump to the AL which often does not bode well for pitchers (although Oakland’s park should help). When you combine that with his decreased strikeout rate from his peak years, we could very well be looking at Beane throwing away 10 million which is unacceptable for a small market team. The fact that Beane spent 18 million on 3 questionable contracts is very troubling for a small market team such as Oakland. It should be interesting to see if ownership keeps him in charge if/when the team in fact moves to San Jose.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Texas offer close to 10 mil for Sheets?
They weren’t the only bidder.
And what you’re suggesting is ludicrous. No reason for Beane to go. None of this hurts the future of the club. Just looking for a chance to contend, which can happen if everyone stays healthy.
But really, you make it seem like these contracts have sunk the team into huge debt, not even close.
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I never stated that Beane should go
I am stating that other GMs have caught up to him. At a time Beane was a cutting edge general manager. Those days however are long gone.
I have never read a report that Texas offered close to $10 million for Sheets. I knew they were interested but I heard they weren’t going hire then 7.5-8 million.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Texas was likely out of the equation
I know the speculation in most places was that if he signed with the Rangers, it’d be an incentive-laden deal with a fairly low (4 mil?) base. The Rangers have very little disposable income; they’d already purchased their glass-armed lottery ticket with Harden.
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That was in 09 before he missed the year
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by Kinslerhomer on Apr 4, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of people seemed to be interested in Sheets
His elbow is his biggest injury of his career. You must have read the homerific and stupid analysis at LL to come up with the “advanced analysis” of his K rate. Sheets could easily be a great signing.
Come on KBR
We’re going to evaluate a plus defender in CF strictly on his bat to decide if he’s worth his money? He was worth 1.2 wins last year in about a third of season. He played in 118 games the year before, and 145 the year before that. Not sure what 150 games has to do with anything, but ok you’re right he hasn’t done that in the majors. He did do it in 2003 though, playing in 155 games between AAA and Cleveland and he’s played in 145 games twice and 139 games another year. He was the 4th OF in Boston in 2008 so you can’t really hold that year against him. So we’re talking a broken finger in 2006 that cost him 41 games and the injury last year. He was productive last year, but hurt. He was healthy in 2008 but unproductive overall because his defensive numbers were way out of line with his career numbers. 2007 meets your criteria though, healthy enough for 145 games and he posted 3.8 WAR. As it’s mentioned below, the A’s have separate budgets and while in some cases I think spending money just to spend is a mistake, this isn’t the Astros signing Pedro Feliz and Brandon Lyon because they needed to spend the money.
I added up the A’s payroll for the top 26 players listed on mlbcontracts.blogspot.com and assumed $500K for the players without listed salaries, higher than it will likely be. If they didn’t spend the money they spent on Sheets and Crisp, they’re in Marlins territory and people would complain about them taking revenue sharing cash and pocketing it. Can’t have it both ways.
None of us are privy to the actual contract negotiations or offers for Sheets, so it’s as likely that other teams were in the general area money wise as it is the A’s were the only ones there, but we don’t know for sure and there isn’t any reason to speculate one way or the other. What we do know is that Sheets has had a year and a half off from pitching and should be healthy. He also threw just under 200 innings in 2008. As for the K rate…he’s never had a consistent K rate, it’s been all over the board his entire career. He maintains a low walk rate and has only had a FIP over 4.00 once outside of his rookie year.
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The Cust move just makes zero sense
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
Exactly. That's just dumb.
The only rationale I could possibly see is due to Cust’s salary, he’s likely to clear waivers and go to the minors, where he would be called up once Chavez gets hurt.
But it still makes no sense…much safer to take that risk with Chavez than Cust…
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It won't hamstring the A's
In any way
It’s not like that’s stopping us from doing something else, and it’s 1 year.
And he is full healthy.
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Care to wager if he will stay healthy this year?
Sheets rarely is “fully healthy”. His velocity isn’t the same as it was before the injury when his fastball was 92.5 mph. He may still be an effective pitcher but the A’s likely could have had him for less.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right.
The Sheets signing was a bad move because Oakland should have tried to squeeze him by 1-1.5 million.
That’s ridiculous. The A’s got the high-upside guy they wanted, and since he’s risky, they were able to do it on a one-year deal. To knock the deal because you think Sheets should have been valued at <2M less for that one year just smacks of going out of your way to skewer Billy Beane.
I like Beane
For some reason if someone is critical of A’s moves, their fanbase accuses the poster of hating Beane. I am actually a big Beane fan and feel that he is arguably the best at finding good pitching in the draft. Learning how Beane did things in Moneyball changed my view on how MLB clubs should be run. He was undoubtedly ahead of his peers and revolutionized MLB front officfes.
However, he does make mistakes and this has not been a good offseason for him in my opinion. If someone can show me a legit source that said any other team offered Sheets a non-incentive laden deal close to the 10 million I would like to see it. However, I have never seen such a report and highly doubt that any other team was going to sign Sheets to such a contract. Instead Oakland paid Sheets for his high reward upside without accounting for his high risk. That is not a smart contract in my opinion. They should have at least insisted on a club option in the contract to help mitigate the risk. When you combine that with throwing away 2.5 million on Cust, and signing an injury prone, poor hitting CF for 5.5 million, I don’t see how anyone can say that they were happy with Beane’s offseason.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Sticking with the Sheets deal...
how does a 1-year deal for a 31-year-old pitcher with Sheet’s success not count as “accounting for his high risk”? It’s ridiculous to knock a team (that had the money to spend) for this deal more than you would the generic “3y/12M for a mediocre middle reliever” deals we see every offseason.
A lot of people on AN are starting to think Beane isn't actually making most decisions these days
This offseason (and, to an extent, last offseason) was completely out of character for him. What’s more, a lot of moves are made without any identifiable plan. The team just doesn’t have Beane’s touch anymore. Either he’s losing interest or somebody else is calling the shots.
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by thejd44 on Apr 4, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Very possible
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What is up with the personal shot?
Stay classy bud.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What's your evidence that his velocity will be down?
Is it because he threw just as hard as ever in his tryout? Is it because he did so well in his previous STs?
Just imagining that he could be had for cheap doesn’t make it so.
Because it has been down
He is working around 91 when his velocity in his 2008 was 92.6. It isn’t a huge drop but it is something to note. When you combine that with Sheets extensive injury history, I have a tough time believing that he will stay healthy this season.
Also, my argument isn’t that Sheets can’t be valuable. My argument is that the A’s paid 10 million to a guy when nobody else appeared to be bidding close to that amount to acquire him. Has anyone heard one legit source claim that another club offered him anything close to 10 million guaranteed? All the reports I heard were for around a base salary of 4 million with another 4 million in incentives.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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He did not throw just as hard in his tryout. He topped out between 90-91 in his tryout. He worked at 92.6 in his last season pitched.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
NEWS FLASH!
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This just in -
According to anonymous media sources, pitchers this Spring are throwing at a velocity lower—that’s right, LOWER—than their usual midseason velocity. In extreme cases, this can mean a difference of up to 1-2 mph! Details are coming as we look more closely into this as of yet unexplained phenomenon, but be sure that we at Minor League Ball will be keeping you informed as we learn more.
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This.
The A’s had the money to spend. They have separate Major League and amateur signing budgets, and there was really nobody left to sign. Sheets was not a bad deal.
That said, their decision to keep a corpse over Jack Cust is, at the very best, baffling. At worst, it reeks of the stupidity that bad GMs like Sabean and Minaya bring to the table.
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by thejd44 on Apr 4, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cardinals Closer
The Cardinals lack of solid, reliable options at closer is realllly scary. I remember watching Izzy implode night after night…at least Izzy had a good track record. Ryan Franklin is NOT a closer…I’d just like a more solid option to close out games.
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Yeah
and trading away two late inning arms in Perez and Todd for a couple of months of DeRosa doesn’t help that situation any. Though maybe DeRosa netted them a pick or two? Don’t have the time to go back and check that now, heading out for a long and hopefully enjoyable Easter Sunday.
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Im pretty sure he was a type b
so one sandwich pick (chris perez was a sandwich pick)
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Derosa was a Type B, so yes.
It’s unfortunate, but we still have a good supply of RHP, and Perez was not a sure thing. It would look a hell of a lot better if Derosa didn’t get injured and we got further in the playoffs.
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The white sox not resigning Jim Thome on the cheap seeing how they are going with the “DH by committee” theory…I was especially confused when they didn’t jump on him when they found out he was going to a division rival just to stick it to them…ouch!
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The Royals
enough said.
But lets say things anyways
Kendall
Betancourt
Brian Anderson
Farnsworth?!
Kaaihue
Callaspo
Guillen
Bloomquist
Outfield defense
etc etc etc.
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The opening day Lineup from Trey is just horrendus.
Absolutely awful. I can’t believe Grienke is still playing and hasn’t left baseball again. Duffy has it right. Get out while you still can.
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The best thing about this one is that Brayan Pena is one of the better 'backup' catchers in baseball
and younger, cheaper, and better than Jason Kendall.
How's his defense in comparison?
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by Daniel Berlyn on Apr 4, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know he's better than an old Jason Kendall?
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by Daniel Berlyn on Apr 5, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No one said he's better.
I simply don’t believe he’s “much worse”. Many accounts over the last couple of years have Pena as an average defensive catcher, and I’d be surprised if Kendall is still any better than that. He was never known for his defense in the first place.
Whose accounts exactly?
I’d say Kendall has been known for his defense in the past.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Apr 5, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball America has, in the past.
and Driveline Mechanics’ attempt at evaluating catcher defense statistically put him in the middle of the pack, ahead of decent-defense, bat-first guys like McCann and Molina.
And I guess you can remember Kendall’s early career the way you want, but he’s always bounced between decent and terrible with his CS numbers, and never came close to winning a gold glove, despite being one of the best hitting catchers of the late-‘90s (enough to win innumerable decent defenders the honor). Now that he’s worthless offensively people like to talk his defensive reputation up, but it was never there while he could hit.
This happens frequently with catchers and shortstops
If they stick around long enough, they start getting lauded for stellar defense.
CS% and gold glove
why would you ever need advance scouts?
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by Daniel Berlyn on Apr 9, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not stupid but surprised Tyson Ross
makes the A’s opening day roster as a long man in the pen. Most likely will be sent down when Devine and Wuertz come back but ading to 40 man and not stretching him out to start seems odd to me.
Dont get me wrong I have been on the Ross bandwagon for about 8 months and expected a huge breakout this year just not sure about using him in the pen when other options available.
Guess A’s are hoping for Andrew Bailey part deux.
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by Pablo Zevallos on Apr 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What a jack-ass organization
I’d despair of life if I were a Mets fan.
Yankees trading for Vazquez. That will not work out for them.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
Very little chance he works out
That was a bad trade.
I know, God forbid they trade for a guy who was one of the top 5 starters in the NL last year. I’m sure he’ll wilt under pressure / struggle in the New York spotlight / [other old-timey baseball colloquialism related to intangibles].
Actually,
it won’t work out because he’s a fly ball pitcher who will make half his starts in the new Yankee Stadium.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 6, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Vazquez didn’t work out in the AL last time, not to mention the Yankees.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
K's are nice but results are better
Vaz appears to be a pitcher better suited to the NL. In five AL seasons his ERA is around 4.50. Usually I worry more about peripherals but in this case it appears that he is one of the pitchers that peripherals don’t tend to tell the whole story (i.e. the Glendon Rusch phenomenon).
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason peripherals (and FIP, and thus, WAR)
don’t work with Vazquez is that those assume a pitcher will be equal with and without runners on base. Vazquez is a MUCH WORSE pitcher when pitching from the stretch. This means that the hits and walks he gives up will happen more often with men on base, causing more runs. So, his ERA will almost always be higher than you would expect with his peripherals.
He’s still a good pitcher, but I’m expecting a down year for him (worse than with the Sox) because of Yankee Stadium. He’ll give up a ton of homers, and that’ll hurt him a lot.
You can expect him to give up 40 home runs and he still will be a far above average #4 with his control and strikeout ability coupled with his durability
and quite frankly the upside is there for him to be a true ace the way he was last year. Vizcaino, Dunn, and Melky was a very small price to pay quite frankly.
Yeah, It’s a good move to sign a guy who had a 4.51 last time he pitched for you. He was ran out of New York and Chicago. It is a much tougher AL east now than it was with the Rays a team to worry about now.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 4, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s also not a good way to judge a guy on a year that was 6 years ago, when he was an all-star the first half and was injured the second.
Its the only time he was in the AL, and I an certaintly not going to judge a guy in the AL off his stats in the nL. We all did that with John Smoltz, and that worked out so well.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 5, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
John Smoltz walked 9 and struck out 33 in 40 innings for Boston.
If you think he pitched badly because his ERA stank, you don’t have a very good idea of how to evaluate pitchers.
No, I watch every Red Sox game and I think he pitched badly beacuse my eyes told me that. I went to two games Smoltz pitched. He gave up 5 and 6 runs and went five innings. The Red Sox lost one game 9-1, and won the other 9-7. If a pitcher is giving up a lot of runs, then he’s bad. Period.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 5, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And Javier Vazquez isn’t a 42 year old coming off shoulder surgery with diminished stuff. Any way you look at it, trading for a pitcher who has pitched 10 straight years of >200 innings (one at 198) to be your #4 starter shouldn’t be up there with other dumb decisions like the Lyon signing, anything the Royals did, etc.
Vazquez is an NL pitcher. Great with Montreal and Atlata. Bad with New York, mediocre in Chicago.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 5, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Vazquez: Career- 142-139 4.19 ERA 320 HR
Career in NL- 90-93 4.02 ERA 22 CG 1 SO 1,506 K
Career in AL 52-46 4.52 ERA 4 CG 747 K
He was not great in New York last time, and that was without the Rays as contenders. So it’s gonna be even tougher now.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 6, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees didn't get him to be an ace.
They got him to be a durable mid-rotation pitcher. They have CC and AJ. Javy will more than deliver on that.
He doesn’t need to pitch like one of the best pitchers in baseball (like he did in 2009) to be a net win for the Yankees.
The Yanks are in a position with such a tough division (and position on revenue curve) to pay a premium for the gain.
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As a sidebar to this discussion...
…(seeing as the “pro-Vazquez,” if I can call them that, contingent that argued here more than made the point I was trying to make)…
Vazquez is an NL pitcher.
This is exactly the kind of viewpoint that pisses me off. Jamie Moyer is an NL pitcher because that’s the only league he can survive in; Javier Vazquez is a damn good pitcher in any league, and if his ERA jumps by half a run because he’s moving to a tougher division and a bandbox of a stadium, it doesn’t mean he’s an “NL pitcher.” It just means you’re ignorant and provincial.
Look, no one disputes that the AL is a better league than the NL — but you seem to be of the mindset that the gap is exponential. Do you think Tim Lincecum would suck in the AL East, simply because it’s the AL East? Would Tim Wakefield magically become a #2 starter in the NL?
That’s stupid. Wakefiled is already a good pitcher in the AL, but he would not be a #2 pitcher anywhere. If you put Linceucum in the AL, he would still be good. Now, he does pitch in the weakest divison in baseball, so who knows. Look at Penny and Smoltz. They where awful in the AL, went to the NL and pitched good. Same with Vazquez. Not true about Moyer. He was good in Seattle.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 6, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying that to me??
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 5, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget
That he gave up 8 bombs in 40 innings. That is an insane homerun pace, regardless of sample size. People who watched him pitch in the AL knew that his stuff wasn’t the same. His velocity decreased on his fastball, curveball, split finger, and slider while his changeup actually increased. With such little variance between his fastball and changeup, guys were teeing off on him. Father time caught up to Mr. Smoltz last year and he couldn’t handle the tougher AL Beast.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 5, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And Josh Beckett gave up 14 HR over 5 consecutive starts last year.
Sample size issues DO apply. Smoltz was still a successful pitcher in 2009, and his peripherals show it even if his ERA doesn’t.
LOL
So you choose to ignore the drop in velocity in all four of his pitches, while his changeup actually increased leaving little difference between his heater and his change? Smoltz was decent in the NL but he had no chance being successful in the AL East.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 5, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
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His flyball rate jumped drastically in 2009 which explains the additional homeruns.
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by King Billy Royal on Apr 5, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Smoltz’ average fastball in 2009 was faster than it had been in any of the previous four years, and he threw his changeup <2% of the time. Hitters made less contact with his pitches than they had in any of the previous three years, and his swinging strike rate was the highest it had been since 2005.
There was no problem with his stuff, and control obviously wasn’t a problem either. Try again.
oops.
Foot in mouth there. Somehow Fangraphs defaulted to the batting tab on Smoltz’ page.
The point stands that Smoltz’ stuff wasn’t appreciably worse, and he put up a 4.19 xFIP with the Sox. He had terrible luck, and still has plenty left in the tank if he wants to return to the game.
Are you serious? Successful pitcher in 2009? What pitcher where you watching? Did you watch one of his outings?
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 5, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't evaluate performance in any way that's worth discussing.
Thanks though, I don’t get enough obnoxious Sox fans here in Brighton.
I was just gonna say, “Hate to be the one who says it, but…”
And I love Leake. But in a year that the Reds don’t necessarily expect to contend (not that they’re far off, mind you, and I think they have a shot at that division, but realistically they’re probably a year away), it seems an unnecessary risk to jump a guy straight from the Pac-10 (or, I guess, the Arizona Fall League) to the majors. It could be a Porcello-type situation that ends up working out, but the risks outweigh the benefits IMO.
Yeah that was a risky move
if the Cardinals hadn’t signed Holliday then maybe but that move really seperated them from the competition and I could see this move hurting the Reds when Arb/FA come around
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Arizona Diamondbacks' lack of pitching
will sink an otherwise improved ballclub. Relying on Brandon Webb to bounce back from Labrum surgery and return to Cy Young form is foolish. It will be even worse because they didn’t get any insurance for their rotation. Poor Haren stuck on a loser again.
today
The pitchers the Dodgers trotted out to the mound today were just awful in general. And I don’t mean giving up 11 runs to the Pirates. Padilla, Ortiz, Ortiz, Monasterios and Weaver on opening day? All on the same staff? Damn.
Such a joke
There’s never been any reason to give an opening day start to Vicente Padilla, nor will there ever be.
Jenrry Mejia in the bullpen
Aside from a few early performances, he didn’t have a dominant spring. He should be in the minors starting, working on his secondary pitches, and developing into a No. 2 starter. Instead, he’s in the majors, where his growth will likely be stunted by a lack of innings.
the bullpen doesn't bother me, it is the timing
Starting out a pitcher in the bullpen has actually never bothered me…….
Mejia starting out in the majors this season bothers me.
+1
and Tejada sucks too. And what’s with a 98-loss team signing a Type A free agent closer to a 2-year deal?
Because it doesn't cost a draft pick
They have a top 15 pick.
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Ahhh, misworded.
Thank you for the correction.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
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Giving up a 2nd rounder
Not exactly good either. The bigger problem is signing a closer to a good deal when he’ll be on a bad team. Seems like a waste of resources to me.
Atkins was a bad deal but
Tejada may be an ok deal, especially if they can trade him or get a B pick for him at the end of the year. It’s a one-year deal that may also bring some more Os fans to the park while biding time for Bell. Plus it makes the veterans happy. Depending on how well Tejada adjusts defensively it could end up being a good deal.
Atkins simply doesn’t make sense at first especially when there are a couple of minor league first basemen that could fill the position much better.
The two-year deal for a closer is likely because they see the Orioles being close to contention in 2011. By then they should have some good pitching while at the same time the Yankees core may be out (Posada, Jeter, etc) If that doesn’t seem likely then they can trade him like they did Sherrill.
But the good news is that a lot of money expires next year and the year after.
Royals and Multi Year Contracts
to replacement level players when they probably have superior or at least equal players in their system (Maier-Lough-Parraz-Kila- even Manual Pena) it’s bad enough to sign some of these guys but guys like Bloomquest-Betancourt-Kendle for more than 1 year above minimum is mind boggling
The Giants' offensive "additions"
Thanks to Sabean, these often are dumb
Hughes over Chamberlain
Rather than letting Joba build off what he’s done as a starter and finally be free from pitch limits, they’re starting the whole thing over with Hughes.
Same
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 5, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like either in the rotation. I would have kept Mitre or Gaundan and used Joba and Hughes in the pen.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 4, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Jacobs, Alex Cora, and Gary Matthews Jr
In the starting lineup over Chris Carter, Ruben Tejada, and Angel Pagan. Jacobs and GMJ shouldn’t even be on the 40 man roster.
Phillies giving Juan Castro a major league contract
when he and/or better players could be had for an MLC. Only a minor dumb decision though.
here's a few
Parnell in the minors - he lacks the secondary stuff to ever become a good SP, and he’s already demonstrated mastery as a reliever.
Jason Heyward as opening day RF- Yes, he’s ready for the gig. However, the Braves won’t lose a significant amount of wins by keeping him in the minors for a few weeks. And, Hinske/Melky/Diaz aren’t bad.
More on a “he’s enough of an elite prospect that an extra entire year of team control is HUGE”
Mejia in the MLB pen – Starters have more value than relievers, and the Mets just sent two very capable relievers to the minors.
Eric Patterson making MLB roster – On a team with depth at 2B and in the OF, and quite a few guys who have good baserunning speed, he’s very redundant.
Jack Cust DFA — You don’t DFA your best hitter. Even if he most likely will clear waivers, its time to end the Eric Chavez Corpse era.
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An extra year of team control at 80% of his free market value
is nowhere near as valuable as a lot of people make it out to be. It also completely ignores the possibility that the Braves extend Heyward at some point in the next 5 years or so.
signing Beckett long term
The Sox will regret this. They have Lester’s, Lackey, Buchholz, Dice-k, and Jelly long term already. One has to wonder if the A-gon rumors are true now with Buchholz more expendable.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 5, 2010 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
The Mariners choosing
Mike Sweeney over Ryank Garko for a 25-man/40-man roster spot. Garko got claimed by the Rangers, luckily, so the M’s are off the hook for his 2010 salary. But still…
Why go with the guy who hits lefties a LOT better when you can have team spirit, chemistry, and hugging—along with a bad platoon DH in Ken Griffey, Jr and Mike Sweeney. And Sweeney won’t play in the field anywhere—oh wait, he might have to back up 1B now and then when Casey Kotchmann needs a day off, which he will.
Ov vey.

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