Runoff for Community Prospect #74
by gatling on Mar 9, 2010 11:56 AM EST
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Alright, runoff time. Reid Brignac vs. Ryan Kalish. I will let this run until about midnight unless we get plenty of early votes and a clear winner emerges.
1. Jason Heyward - 51%
2. Stephen Strasburg - 76%
3. Buster Posey - 20% (43% runoff)
4. Michael Stanton - 20% (54% runoff)
5. Jesus Montero - 20% (45% runoff)
6. Brian Matusz - 21%
7. Pedro Alvarez - 23%
8. Desmond Jennings - 29%
9. Carlos Santana -37% (50% runoff)
10. Neftali Feliz -37% (50% runoff)
11. Justin Smoak - 46%
12. Domonic Brown - 23% (59% runoff)
13. Madison Bumgarner - 30%
14. Martin Perez - 28%
15. Dustin Ackley - 31%
16. Chris Carter - 33.6%
17. Jeremy Hellickson - 29.4%
18. Michael Taylor - 36.9%
19. Alcides Escobar - 37.0%
20. Christian Friedrich - 29.0%(53.2% runoff)
21. Logan Morrison - 45.6%
22. Ryan Westmoreland - 24.7%
23. Aroldis Chapman - 32.0%
24. Wade Davis - 40.8%
25. Fernando Martinez - 30.5%
26. Aaron Hicks - 33.3%
27. Kyle Drabek - 34.0%
28. Lonnie Chisenhall - 24.5%
29. Jenrry Mejia - 18.8%(51.6% runoff)
30. Yonder Alonso - 25.5%
31. Matt Moore - 19.0%(70.7% runoff)
32. Brett Wallace - 24.3%
33. Dan Hudson - 20.2%
34. Freddie Freeman - 17.4%
35. Jhoulys Chacin - 21.2%
36. Casey Kelly - 27.8%
37. Casey Crosby - 29.8%
38. Starlin Castro - 27.5%
39. Brett Lawrie - 18.4% (42.9% runoff)
40. Derek Norris - 17.3% (42.9% runoff)
41. Tyler Flowers - 20.2%
42. Tyler Matzek -22.7%
43. Jacob Turner - 23.0%
44. Michael Montgomery - 30.8%
45. Dee Gordon - 22%
46. Julio Teheran - 19.4%
47. Grant Green - 24.4%
48. Hector Rondon - 20.9%
49. Josh Bell - 22.4%
50. Jaff Decker - 22.3%
51. Michael Saunders - 22.6%
52. Chris Withrow - 19.4%
53. Aaron Crow - 21.2%
54. Jason Castro - 18.8%
55. Tanner Scheppers - 23.2% (60.9% runoff)
56. Jordan Lyles - 23.2%(39.1% runoff)
57. Jake Arrieta - 28.0%
58. Todd Frazier - 23.1%
59. Jared Mitchell - 28.8%
60. Arodys Vizcaino - 21.1%
61. Zach Britton - 21.0%
62. Matt Dominguez - 19.7%
63. Simon Castro - 25.0%
64. Jarrod Parker - 24.6%
65. Zach Stewart - 18.5%
66. Tim Beckham - 22.2%
67. Alex Colome - 20.3%
68. Wil Myers - 23.1%
69. Mike Leake - 18.3%(55.1% runoff)
70. Jiovanni Mier - 20.7%
71. Josh Vitters - 20.3%
72. Kyle Gibson - 18.9%
73. Donovan Tate - 17.6%
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Vote with a +1 here for Reid Brignac
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by gatling on Mar 9, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
+1
yuck or yucker indeed, in that order
by PrincetonCubs on Mar 9, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
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i sort of want to abstain … but i’ll vote. Personally, I think it’s 10 spots or so too high for both guys./
Vote with a +1 here for Ryan Kalish
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by gatling on Mar 9, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
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His batting eye is way too good to call him a Tweener. If he can run a .380 OBP it doesn’t matter if he only has 10HR power. That said, I see more juice in the bat than that.
pros/cons
Kalish cons:
“tweener”
CF?
limited streaks of success
Brignac:
on-base ability / batting average?
….is that it?
and fyi, Briggy is doing great work in ST thus far.
+1
I don’t think either will be more than average at their positions, but give me the good defensive SS over the corner OF in that case.
by jc3 on Mar 9, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Give me the guy
who had a BB% around 10% as opposed to 6%.
Kalish
is a better hitter in my book. The walk rate is one element (and that was just ghis AA line). I don’t think Brignac will put up as good obp’s as Kalish. Brignac is reputed to be a good fielder now. Kalish would be a plus corner most likely or ok in cf. I’ll go with the better hitter despite the position adjustment.
OK
he was negative per total zone in 2009, per minorleaguesplits. Not sure I trust that, and it did have him averageing near 10 in the few years before that. He is reputedly very good per scouts. Not sure if he is Andrus or Everett or Escobar. i just don’t know, but yeah, ok, very good. It’s close. I think kalish will be a noticeably better hitter.
we'll see.
One of these days we’re going to have a better sense of what “plus” defense means when it shows up in a scouting report, but that day has not yet come.
The problem for scouts is that they’re comparing a guy like Brignac to the other players they see, and not to a league average major-league shortstop. That bar is much, much higher.
I’m not sure Brignac is a true plus defender at short relative to other major league shortstops, and I won’t be until I see him at the position in Tampa Bay. I wasn’t sure Andrus was a plus defender either, and he turned out to be, but Asdrubal Cabrera was also billed as a defensive wizard, and in almost 2 seasons his UZR/150 sits at -5.6. When we see talk of a minor league shortstop being “plus” or “good” at the position, I think the best that we can comfortably assume is that we don’t have to worry about them switching off of it. We can assume when someone like Alcides Escobar is called “the best shortstop in the minors” that he’ll be a true plus defender at the major league level, but beyond that there’s not a lot scouting reports can tell us about true defensive value and how to weigh it when considering prospect status.
i have seen him play in MLB
at Yankee stadium. and I’ve seen him on tv several times. his actions are quick and smooth and his range is great
Again, we'll see
He’s had all of 23 starts at shortstop in the majors. Interestingly, the range you call “great,” the play-by-play metric saw as average. UZR and Total Zone both didn’t like him very much in 2009.
I don’t put much stock in defensive stats until there are 2-3 seasons worth of data, but I also don’t put much faith in the extremely unscientific translation that occurs in the minds of prospect followers when they try to convert words on a scouting report to an abstract idea of a prospect’s defensive value.
I agree with most of this
Except I put more value into the positional difference. I think they’re both solid MLB regulars, but I’ll take the SS.
it is a close call
And I was pushing for Ike here. Brignac of course could be Steve Drew with a better glove. It gets really hard to vote this deep in the poll. Two guys might reasonably be number 1, but you could make a case for dozens of guys now.
This was the route I took
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
3 years ago
and he was repeating the level (he averaged 5.8%BB in about 120 PA in 2006 in AA), and his walk rate slipped after that. And the K rate was 17.8 per fangraphs. Brignac has walked at a 6.4% and 6% clip in 2008 and 2009 in AAA.
Kalish ws averaging 18.2 BB% in FSL before his promotion. He has consistently been above 10% over a full season. Brignac has never averaged 10%.
Obviously I’m well aware of the stats since I recently just looked at them. I was more or less being sarcastic in how your use of stats well, was a bit pointless if that is how your deciding since it was a bit out of context. Also fangraphs has it calculated wrong, it was 15.8 K%.
Kalish defiantly has more patience at the plate, though I view their bats as similiar enough to give Brignac the edge for def/pos. Anyways I can see how someone would prefer Kalish as he looks intriguing in his own right
Denard Span was called a Tweener
Instead, his batting eye gives him more than enough offensive value in a corner outfield position. It’s a mistake to focus only on power when a guy does something else so damn well.
Last year, the guy BA left off their top-100 who I thought would make everyone look foolish was Jeremy Hellickson. This year, my pick is Ryan Kalish. If he hits like I expect him to this year, I could easily see him in the discussion as a top-25 prospect a year from how.
a year from *now.
Having a little trouble here :)
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