Not a Rookie: Daniel Murphy
Not a Rookie: Daniel Murphy
There were some mixed signals coming out of Mets camp in February regarding first baseman Dan Murphy. In mid-February, GM Omar Minaya said that Royals reject Mike Jacobs would compete with Murphy for the first base job in spring training. This was contradicted a couple of days later by Manager Jerry Manuel, who said that it wasn't a true contest, implying that Jacobs (and Fernando Tatis) were around to provide pop on the bench.
Does Murphy have enough in his bat to hold down first base? Let's take a look at Murphy's development as a prospect.
Murphy played college ball at Jacksonville University, being used as a bench player his freshman year, then taking over a regular job at third base as a sophomore in 2005, hitting .329/.381/.429. In '06 he hit .398/.470/.534, with 34 walks and just 13 strikeouts in 221 at-bats, earning plaudits as Atlantic Sun Conference Player of the Year. Questions about defense and injuries hurt his stock with scouts, and he was just a 13th round pick despite his performance. He played 25 games split between the Gulf Coast League, Kingsport, and Brooklyn after signing, going 17-for-80 (.213) with two homers, 12 walks, and seven strikeouts. I did not put him in the 2007 book, but would have rated him as a Grade C prospect, pending more pro data.
Assigned to Class A St. Lucie in the Florida State League for '07, Murphy hit .285/.338/.430 with 34 doubles, 11 homers, 42 walks, 61 strikeouts and six steals in nine attempts over 502 at-bats. His OPS was okay at +8 percent, above average but not dominant. He drew positive scouting comments for his work ethic, feel for contact hitting, and solid gap-to-gap power. On the negative side, he made 35 errors at third base, plus scouts felt his range was just mediocre and he faced a move to the outfield or first base. I gave him a Grade C in the 2008 book, noting that he was a sleeper, but needed to show more pop with the bat, especially if he was going to switch positions.
Murphy played 95 games for Double-A Binghamton in 2008, hitting .308/.374/.496 with 13 homers, 14 steals, 39 walks, and 46 strikeouts in 357 at-bats. This earned him a promotion to New York when the Mets needed a bat, and he performed even better in his major league trial, hitting .313/.397/.473 in 131 at-bats. He was one at-bat beyond the rookie limit so I didn't put him in the 2009 book. I did write this comment about him in August 2008, writing that I expected him to settle down as a .280ish hitter with touches of pop, not a star but a useful player.
Murphy hit .266/.313/.427 last year in 155 games, 508 at-bats for the Mets, with 38 doubles, 12 homers, 38 walks, and 69 strikeouts. His career line is now .275/.331/.437, which I think is his true level of ability. He played mostly first base last year and UZR liked his glovework, with a 7.6 UZR/150 mark. Fielding Bible gave him a strong +14 rating, with 10 runs saved ranking as the second best defensive first baseman last year.
The numbers tally well with visual observation: he's slick with the glove.
But will he hit enough for first base? His overall WAR last year was 0.9, indicating (by that measure anyway) that his defense didn't fully compensate for a bat that is below average for a first baseman. Can the hitting improve? Murphy certainly has the size and physical strength to hit for more power, and at age 25 he is just now approaching his prime seasons where power production often increases. On the other hand, his power production has been quite steady since college, with little variance in his isolated power numbers. He hits a lot of doubles, and some of those could turn into more home runs in time. But even at his peak, I think Murphy will be hard-pressed to knock more than 18 or 20 in his prime seasons.
That said, I think he's the best choice to play first base for the Mets right now, keeping the position warm for Ike Davis. I would favor Murphy over Mike Jacobs and Fernando Tatis, since Murphy is a young guy who still has a chance to improve.
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do u think the mets made the right choice
It not signing delgado or branyan to play over him?
Injuries were the issue there
Delgado is undergoing yet another hip surgery and everyone had serious questions about Branyan’s back (which is why a guy coming off a 31 homerun season had trouble getting signed).
by Lunkwill Fook on Mar 8, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Can he move to 2B?
That’s my key question. If he can, that .275/.331/.437 triple-slash would be good to have. And really, we’re looking at -10 RAR from Castillo anyway….
I doubt it
Murphy is only a glove man by the low, low standards of first base. I’m not eager to see the headlines when he crashes and burns as a middle infielder. Murphy and Castillo have similar offensive value (i.e. very close to league-average) so Murphy would actually have to be significantly better than Castillo at 2B to justify the switch.
The thing is
If you buy into fangraphs positional adjustments, and assume playing second base wouldn’t effect Murph’s offense, he’d need to be 15 defensive runs less valuable at second base for him to be more valuable at first base than second base. That’s a huge amount, so even if he’s -10 butcherish at second base, he’d still probably be roughly as valuable there as he would be at first base. He may not be a huge short term upgrade over Castillo, and someone like Reese Havens or Ruben Tejada could wind up a better option by the time Castillo is no longer even serviceable, but Murphy’s offense still could improve a bit. Once Davis (hopefully) eventually steals the first base gig, I’d love for the Mets to send Murphy down to the minors for a year or so to play mostly second base and some outfield and turn him into a Mark DeRosa type super utility guy, capable of playing full time by virtue of his ability to handle multiple positions, whose bat is his best tool, but not quite good enough to make him a starter at an offensively demanding position on a first division team.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 8, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think...
…you underestimate just how much of a butcher Murphy could be at second. What if he combines Castillo-like range with loads of beginner errors and bad double-play turns? He could very easily be a downgrade.
I understand its possible
And I in no way advocate trying it as an experiment at the major league level, but given some minor league time, getting within -10 really doesn’t seem than unreasonable. He was roughly an average third baseman, and while the skillset is very different and Murphy does seem to have more of the physical requirements for third than second, a 10 run difference per 150 games is huge. If he’s -7 or -8, he’d be even more valuable at second than first.
Also, saying Murph and Castillo have similar offensive value is misleading. Murphy wasn’t as good last year, and they have identical career wOBA’s (.330, dead average as you say), but every projection system favors Murphy’s bat in 2010 (though CHONE has them very close). Castillo’s clearly on the decline, while Murphy is just entering his prime. There really shouldn’t be any question as to who will be the more valuable offensive player in 2011, which is the earliest I see Murphy ever playing second base for the Mets, and that’s only if Ike Davis steals his first base job and the Mets wise up and send Murph down to open up his versatility, not just at second base, but also in corner outfield spots, where given enough reps he could also probably be serviceable.
Honestly, the biggest question I’d have about Murphy moving to second base would be how it might effect his offensive game, and in this regard I think he’s a decent candidate for it. He’s got a very upper body oriented swing, lots of hands and arms, not much legs. Taking some hard slides in the field might not really effect his bat much. Plus, he’s also not someone I’d really want to be an everyday second baseman. I think if handled properly he’d be better than Castillo in 2011, but as I said, that ideally he’s turned into more of a DeRosa super utility type. Then again, part of me feels that way because I think it would increase his perceived value even more than his actual value, and that the Mets might be able to trade him for something useful just as he hits arbitration and let someone else figure out exactly how to best deploy him.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 9, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Havens
His line last year translated to the cal league: .280/.414/.489. If he had played for lancaster: .306/.435/.528. Luck adjusted and traslated to Lancaster: .340/.463/.572. Whew, Lancaster must be quite the hitting environment. I take that with a giant family-sized container of Morton.
The FSL is so ridiculously pitcher friendly
Havens was in the top 10 in the league in OPS and 11th in wOBA among batting title qualifiers, and that was with a .279 BABIP. The CAL is like the polar opposite though. Try Kirk Nieuwenhuis and Zach Lutz (who were #1 and #2 in the FSL in wOBA) in the CAL. They’re off the charts.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Cap't Kirk
.307/.435/.528 in the cal league, neutral site.
Key question?
That’s wishful thinking at best.
Who loves orange soda?
by Kenan and Kel on Mar 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Jacobs
is a one trick pony: power, that’s it. No thanks Mr. DH. But he’s a nice Triple A roster filler and emergency pinch-hitter to stash away.
Give Murph a shot to keep the spot warm for Ike, if the other playerson that team play up to their potential, the pressure for Murph to perform league average lessens.
No offense to Doug Mientkiewicz, but if he can carve out a nice career than so can Murph.
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