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Thinking about Oliver Perez

Thoughts on Oliver Perez

   We had a contest winner a few weeks ago select Oliver Perez as a subject for a prospect retro. We've covered his background in previous posts, a Young Pitcher Symposium in 2005 and a "is there hope for Perez" piece in '06.  Let's catch up with him.

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Perez was signed by the Padres out of Mexico in 1999. He posted a 5.08 ERA with a 37/16 K/BB in 28 innings in the Arizona Rookie League that year. I didn't write about short-season prospects much back then, but his K/IP was impressive enough that a similar pitcher nowadays would probably be on my radar as a Grade C type.

In 2000 he split the season between Yucatan in the Mexican League (4.36 ERA with a 37/17 K/BB in 43 innings) and Idaho Falls in the Pioneer League (4.07 ERA, 27/9 K/BB in 24 innings). He wasn't in my '01 book, but drew some attention from scouts due to a 90 MPH fastball and a promising breaking ball. Statwise his K/IP continued to stand out, and I'd give a similar guy now a C+ most likely pending higher-level data.

In '01, Perez pitched at Fort Wayne (3.46 ERA, 98/43 K/BB in 101 innings, 84 hits allowed) and Lake Elsinore (2.72 ERA, 62/25 K/BB in 53 innings, 45 hits allowed). I put him in the 2002 book, noting his 90 MPH fastball, developing breaking stuff, and strong K/IP marks, writing that I was "rather optimistic about his chances to be a decent pitcher" provided he didn't get hurt. He got a Grade C+.

Perez gained velocity in 2002 and ended up spending most of the season in the majors, posting a 3.50 ERA with a 94/48 K/BB in 90 innings with 71 hits allowed. He's been up-and-down ever since.

Picking up where the old posts left off, after a difficult 2006 season, Perez rebounded with a 15-10, 3.56 season in '07 with the Mets, then a decent 10-7, 4.22 campaign in '08, though the later season was marred somewhat by a National League leading 105 walks. Last year he was back to being terrible again, posting a 6.82 ERA in 14 starts with a 62/58 K/BB in 66 innings, but a knee injury was at least partially responsible for that. Perez's velocity was down slightly last year compared to 2007 and 2008, but the knee problem likely impacted that.

His original comparable pitchers list from 2005 is interesting to revisit. Remember he was coming off a 2004 season that saw him go 12-10, 2.98 with 239 strikeouts and 81 walks in 196 innings at age 23.

Pete Falcone
Sandy Koufax (!)
Rube Bressler
Steve Trout
Vinegar Bend Mizell
John Henry Johnson
Balor Moore
Mark Langston
Ken Holtzman
Billy Pierce
Jim Merritt
Juan Nieves
Mickey McDermott

That's an interesting list, with Koufax the Hall-of-Fame outlier but several impressive power lefties also showing up...along with injury/command busts like Falcone, Moore, and Nieves.

The current Sim Score list (through age 27) is a lot different: Bobby Witt, Randy Wolf, Randy Lerch, Ryan Dempster, Mike Moore, Joel Pineiro, Jason Jennings, Darryl Kile, Mark Langston, Alex Kellner.  Basically a group of talented but erratic pitchers, just like Perez.

What should we expect for 2010? I have no idea. Projection systems give the following results:
Bill James      4.73, 170/100 K/BB in 173 innings, 8.84 K/9, 4.98 FIP
CHONE         4.96, 118/71 K/BB in 127 innings, 8.36 K/9, 4.90 FIP
Marcel            4.50, 103/63 K/BB in 112 innings, 8.28 K/9, 4.81 FIP
ZIPS               4.93, 132/87 K/BB in 144 innings, 8.35 K/9, 5.01 FIP

All pretty similar. But I think that's deceptive. The projections all focus on the "midpoint," if you will, if possible outcomes for Perez, and given his track record that is understandable. However, a healthy Perez is fully capable of doing a lot better than that. He could easily post a 3.50 ERA (or even a 3.00) again with better command and a 9.00+ K/9.  He could also get knocked out of the league.

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one of the more infuriating things I have had to deal with as a Pirate fan

was his good 2004 season and then the next season when he couldn’t find an arm slot he liked so he tried them all and none of them worked. I have no idea what caused this but it was infuriating to watch that for sure

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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 20, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough to watch

At least through an entire season, especially as a Mets fan. When he is on (which can be as brief and ephemeral as a single batter per game), he looks unhittable. When he is off, he looks worse than a RF brought in at the end of a blowout to save the bullpen’s arms. You can see it so clearly in his body language, as well, when that switch flips from amazing to awful, and clearly batters have keyed in on that and either wait out his erratic stretch or sit on a weak fastball down the pipe. The guy has the ability to be a shutdown starter, but not the makeup to maintain it. At this point, it will take a truly spectacular pitching coach and some serious sports psychology to get him to live up to his potential ever again.

Also, the “knee injury” last year really struck me as a cheap excuse to get him off the mound without saying, “He can’t handle being a big-league pitcher right now.”

by pooptallica on Mar 20, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Why don't you all move him to the pen

if the switch in his head can flip from unhittable to worse than Dennis Tankersly. so you can minimize his chances to suck

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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 22, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's also not worth $36M/3 years

Or whatever Omar signed him for, a Project Pitcher like Perez should be in Triple A to work things out . His incompetence and inconsistency makes him a fifth starter at best. I don’t care if he has “potential” to be a number two or ace, he has no business being paid like an ace and no one in their right minds would depend on Oliver Perez in a good rotation.

He’s no longer that young, injuries aside, I don’t think he will ever pan out. He’s as good as he’s going to get, if he were 22 and under we can talk about his “potential”, not when he’s 27.

“Good Ollie” might never make an appearance again, I hope he makes me eat crow, but I doubt it.
 

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by feslenraster on Mar 21, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll always have a soft spot for Oliver Perez

He won me five different fantasy leagues in 2004. I remember reports of the Pirates messing with his mechanics in 05. I don’t know if that was because they had to intervene or they decided to. Whatever. O. Perez in 2004 throwing 95+ with sick movement and a wipeout slider was perhaps the closest thing to Randy Johnson I’ve ever seen.

by AgitationStation on Mar 22, 2010 6:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Inconsistency Kills

He never settled with one approach and was constantly trying gimmicks like erratic leg kicks that I believe hurt his development. He never settled his mechanics into something that could harness his massive potential. Inconsistent mechanics create someone who “flashes” plus for awhile then mysteriously implodes.

Barry Bonds thought he had the best left handed stuff he’d ever seen. To bad Perez never lived up to it.

"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me

by padmadfan on Mar 23, 2010 7:32 AM EDT reply actions  

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