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Albert Pujols Prospect Retro Reviewed

Prospect Retro: Albert Pujols

I first did a Prospect Retro on Albert Pujols five years ago. It's time for an update.

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First, here is what I wrote in 2005.

Pujols was drafted by the Cardinals in the 13th round in 1999, out of Maple Woods Community College in Missouri. He was considered to be a promising bat, but there were questions about his defense, and many scouts thought he was too fat. Some scouts also questioned his listed birthday of January 16, 1980. He was born in the Dominican Republic.

Pujols made his pro debut in 2000, hitting .324/.389/.565  in 109 games for Class A Peoria, with 38 walks and just 37 strikeouts in 395 at-bats. He also got into 14 games at Class A Potomac, hitting .284/.341/.481, and went 3-for-14 in three games at Triple-A Memphis. I was extremely impressed with his bat, and gave him a Grade A- in the 2001 Minor League Scouting Notebook, rating him as the Number 18 prospect in baseball. I was a bit ahead of the curve on this. Baseball America put three different Top 50 lists in their '01 prospect book, written up separately by Jim Callis, Allan Simpson, and Will Lingo. The highest ranking for Pujols was #39.

While most people, including me, thought that Pujols would start 2001 in Double-A, he had a terrific spring training and won a starting job in the Cardinals lineup, hitting .329/.403/.610, quickly emerging as one of the very best hitters in baseball. His power has developed beyond where it was in A-ball, and he's maintained his exceptional plate discipline.

Did Pujols really come out of nowhere? He was a year ahead of schedule, but it's also true that Baseball America was tracking him, and I was tracking him, and other experts were tracking him too.

Comparable Players to Albert Pujols, through Age 24

Frank Robinson
Hank Aaron
Joe Medwick
Eddie Murray
Rico Carty
Jack Clark
Will Clark

When the WORST guy on your comp list is Jack Clark, you are a special hitter.

I think the only real question about Pujols is his age curve.

Well obviously he has aged very well.

Five years later, and the guy remains an absolutely amazing player, one of the top five right-handed hitters who have ever lived in my opinion, as well as a great defender at first base. He's played through injury problems. He's now a career .334/.427/.628 hitter. He's hit .323/.429/.593 in 53 post-season games.  Although he should be entering the decline phase of his career now at age 30, there's certainly no evidence of any slippage in his numbers yet.

The Sim Score list is different than it was when he was 24. The Top Ten comps for Pujols, through age 29:

Jimmie Foxx
Hank Aaron
Lou Gehrig
Ken Griffey Jr
Frank Robinson
Mickey Mantle
Juan Gonzalez
Mell Ott
Hank Greenberg
Orlando Cepeda

Nine Hall of Famers there, with one guy (Gonzalez) who looked like one at points in his career before being dragged down by injuries and other problems that Pujols doesn't share.

Pujols' Black Ink score (34, average HOFer is 27), Gray Ink score (189, 144 is HoF average), Hall of Fame Monitor score (226, likely HoF is anything over 100) all show that he's already done enough to get in. If his career lasts long enough, he'll approach some historical milestones. Bill James estimates Pujols has a 44% chance to get 3,000 hits, an 18% chance to hit 762 home runs, and an 18% chance to get 2298 RBI, which would set all-time records. He has a 14% chance to exceed 6857 total bases, a 12% chance to hit 800 home runs, a 30% chance to hit 700 homers, a 64% chance to hit 600 homers, and a 20% chance to hit 793 doubles.

Not bad for a 13th round draft pick from an obscure junior college in western Missouri.

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by hero66 on Mar 19, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

reading this makes me realize

that even though Pujols is widely accepted as the best player in the game right now, he may still be underrated

Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson

by gore51 on Mar 19, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

The fate of players in the midwest...

First Musial, now Pujols.

Even with all their numbers, the championships they win, and their great personalities on and off the field, they still don’t get the recognition they really deserve.

As a Cardinal fan living in St. Louis it’s still hard to imagine how lucky I am to get to see this guy play all the time.

by oplaid on Mar 19, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. If the Yankees or Red Sox had drafted Pujols instead, his popularity would dwarf Jeter’s and I’d be sick to death of hearing about him.

by Cormican on Mar 23, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great, geat player...

I feel very baseball stupid because I haven’t seen this guy live yet in 9 years.

by SenorGato on Mar 19, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I think I only saw him once

Wild game at Shea a few years ago, Cards up, Fernando Tatis and someone else with late homers to tie. Then Pujols comes up in the 11th with runners on against Aaron Heilman, and everyone in the stadium just seemed to know he was about to win the game before he even took the bat off his shoulder. Hit a monster three run homer and that was all she wrote.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 20, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta come to St. Louis...

Best baseball city in America. I’m biased, of course.

There’s nothing like watching Albert play, though. Everything stops when he steps up to the plate.

by cardinalpride on Mar 21, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

can he challenge for pete rose's all-time hit record

because I think of all the players in the league right now he has the best chance

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 19, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Very Unlikely...

Just looking at the numbers…he needs more than 2500 the rest of the way. He’s had over 200 hits once in 9 seasons, Rose had 200+ ten times.

So even if Pujols averages 200 hits each season for the rest of his career, he’ll have to play at that level for 13 more seasons.

Pujols just doesn’t get the PAs or ABs(spot in the order, lineup turnover, walk rate) that Rose did, so even with the higher batting average, it’s a huge long shot.

by BobbyS on Mar 20, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh

but at least he is a sure fire Hall of Fame

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan

by WVPiratesfan on Mar 20, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

He gains eventual HOF eligibility on opening day by playing in his 10th season

He’s done enough to get in already. After his age 29 season, he’s already got 4 HOF-ers in his career comps (Greenberg, Mize, Kiner, Klein).

by DavidRF on Mar 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just fascinating

Stories like these of low rounders becoming stars. Makes you wonder what these scouts saw in him when he was in the draft. I’m going to look at some old draft reports.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

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-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 19, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, look at where he played in college. A lot of it might be that he just wasn’t seen. He was also a guy who could probably be described as without a position at the time with poor defensive skills. I don’t think he’s the premium defender that he’s made out to be today.

I vaguely remember a story about the guy who “discovered” him. I’m not sure, but I believe he now works for the Brewers in Latin America.

by JetSam on Mar 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

13th round really isn't that low

If you’re drafted in the 13th round you may still have significant upside, but high risk. Someone Like Piazza is an amazing low round story. 62nd round to a HOF career as, arguably, one of the 3 or 4 best offensive Catchers of all time (admittedly his defense was never stellar). Pujols is an amazing story for a 13th rounder, but I don’t think the Cards ever thought of it as a throw away pick to just fill out their A-ball team for a season or 2.

by Cormican on Mar 23, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember reading that NO ONE would pitch to Pujols in high school and college. I think that was a big factor in Pujols not getting recognition, though he got the Bonds treatment before Bonds ever got the Bonds treatment.

by Ivdown on Mar 25, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is genius

Really – he is almost incomparable.
As an aside, what were the age concerns alluded to in the first line of the original prospect retro? Is it purely because he’s from the DR and turned out good (!), or were there (are there? don’t think so) genuine doubts out there?

by Kirkie on Mar 20, 2010 7:40 AM EDT reply actions  

There are still doubts

The dude has always looked old for his age. When he first came up in 2001 he looked like he was 30. However, his family migrated to the US in 1996 and he attended high school in the Kansas City area graduating in December of 1998. Remember after 09/11 there were several Latin players whose ages were found to be different than advertised as the Visa process became more scrutinized? I think if he made it through that, as well as the fact that he’s had this age question for his entire 9 year career that if he wasn’t legitimately born in 1980 we would have found out by now or we never will.

by vpuckett74 on Mar 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Fantasy Perspective

Anyone who follows fantasy baseball knows that only a few points separate any 2 players. For example in my H2H league’s 2009 stats, the #2 – #6 highest scoring hitters were 47 points apart. But between the #2 (Fielder) and #1 (Pujoles)? 139 fantasy points!

The man walks in his own league.

by Jihan1 on Mar 20, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I find it

even more amazing that he has a torn elbow ligament, and is still hitting like he is. A few years back he had plantar facilitus (spelling) and still put up monster numbers. Imagine what he would have done over the last two years if 100% healthy.

by napes22 on Mar 22, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

If he keeps this going...

It’s always awesome talking about the great potential prospects and young stars this game has. But when we talk about Albert now, it’s about potential too… the potential to go down as one of those inner-circle HOFers, and one of the greatest RHH of all time.

He’s already won the decade Triple Crown (if you count the decade starting as 2000), shared by only a few other players who are all time greats themselves

by nickramz on Mar 23, 2010 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

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