Who has the best inventory of young talent
by bravitos5122 on Mar 12, 2010 2:12 AM EST
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PrintCut off age is 27 the full season. Only really thinking about about players in the majors or at least in strong contention to make the opening day roster. It seems the last couple of years the consensus was the Rays. Has that changed? I dont know but several teams are catching up.
Perhaps a top 10 list of cores on who you would take going forward? Off the top of my head I think I would rank as such:
1. Rays
2. Orioles
3. Dodgers
4. Braves
5. Marlins
6. Giants
7. Red Sox
8. Rangers
9. A's
10. Reds
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I think the Indians should be in there somewhere:
Asdrubal Cabrera
Luis Valbuena
Justin Masterson
Chris Perez
Lou Marson
Fausto Carmona (I know he has sucked, but we also know about the 07 season)
David Huff
Tony Sipp
Matt LaPorta
Not sure if these guys make your cutoff:
Grady Sizemore (turns 28 in august)
Shin Soo Choo (turns 28 in July)
I left out most prospects close to the majors such as Santana, Rondon, Brantley, Carrasco, Jason Donald etc as well as some of the more fringe guys like Joe Smith, Aaron Laffey, Jeremy Sowers, Mitch Talbot and a couple of others.
Might not be filled with all stars, but it’s a tremendous group of young players who are very likely to play a big role on this team in 2010 and beyond.
+1
I like the Indians young talent all the way down to A ball. I believe Shapiro has done a good job of retooling this franchise in quite an effecient manner.
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by fourfingerwoo on Mar 12, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
The Rays still have a pretty strong list
Wade Davis
David Price
Jeremy Hellickson
Matt Garza
JP Howell
Jake Mcgee
Dioner Navarro (bad season last year but already has 1 ASG)
Evan Longoria
Sean Rodriguez
Reid Brignac
BJ Upton
Matt Joyce
Desmond Jennings
I Would Think the Dodgers, Others
People forget how huge of a cutoff 27 is. Pedroia doesn’t turn 27 until August. Hanley doesn’t turn until December. Guys like that (esp Hanley) are worth 4-5 guys like Sean Rodriguez and Matt Joyce.
Anyways, the Dodgers would be pretty solid —
- Kemp
- Billingsley
- Kershaw
- Martin
- Broxton
- Loney
- DeWitt
- Withrow
- D Gordon
- Martin
- Lindblom
- Lambo
- Elbert
- J McDonald
- Even Ethier is currently 27 (turns 28 in April)
The Mets ?
Sounds odd and maybe unpopular but the Mets “young” talent isn´t too bad either:
These are 10 players who appeared in the majors last season and have a good shot at a roster spot out of spring training in 2010:
3b David Wright (27)
SS Jose Reyes (27)
RF Jeff Francoeur
1b Daniel Murphy
OF Fernando Martinez (with Beltran´s injury)
RHP Mike Pelfrey
LHP Jon Niese
RHP Francisco Rodriguez
RHP Fernando Nieve (27)
RHP Bobby Parnell
Plus prospects
Ike Davis
Josh Thole
Ruben Tejada
Jenry Mejia
who are having a good spring and are very likely to see major league action at some point in 2010. I don´t think I´d rather want to have the Indians players listed above in exchange for this group of players – even with Choo and Sizemore included.
By the way, a team that also belongs in the discussion – at least in terms of major league talent – are the Rockies with
Tulowitzki – I.Stewart – Fowler – Gonzalez – Ianetta offensively
Jimenez – Morales – Chacin – Street
Pretty thin on the farm though in terms of prospects likely to make an impact in 2010 beyond possibly Christian Friedrich or Eric Young jr.
It's worth noting that Familia has added some serious velocity this spring as well.
Here. John had him as a sleeper, but if he’s throwing that hard with his movement he could easily be following Mejia’s skyrocket through the system.
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by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 12, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
CHONE has that group (minus K-rod) valued at 20.9 WAR for 2010,
and that doesn’t include any of the prospects. I don’t see how they wouldn’t be in this discussion, and should probably be quite high on this list.
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by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 12, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
The teams that come to mind
Are obviously the teams with good farm systems.
Among those I would take as the top 10 (in no particular order and listed with their best MLB players under age 27):
Boston
Buchholz (25)
Bard (25)
Lester (26)
Pedroia (26)
Ellsbury (26)
Lowrie (26)
Westmoreland, Kelly, Reddick, Kalish, Tazawa, Rizzo, Iglesias, Bowden, Anderson
Tampa
Longoria (24)
Price (23)
Upton (25)
Joyce (25)
Garza (26)
Jennings, Wade Davis, Hellickson, Colome, Moore, Beckham, Brignac, Torres, Barnese, Wilking Rodriguez
Baltimore
Tillman (22)
Wieters (24)
Jones (24)
Pie (25)
Hernandez (25)
Reimold (26)
Matusz, Bell, Arrieta, Britton, Hobgood, Erbe, Snyder
Texas
Andrus (21)
Holland (23)
Davis (24)
Borbon (24)
Harrison (24)
Salty (25)
Teagarden (26)
McCarthy (26)
Feliz, Smoak, Perez, Scheppers, Profar, Main, Beltre, Font, Ross
Atlanta
Schafer (23)
Hanson (23)
Jurjjens (24)
Medlen (24)
McCann (26)
Heyward, Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado, Bethancourt, Freeman, Minor, Kimbrel
LA Dodgers
Kershaw (22)
Kemp (25)
Billingsley (25)
Loney (26)
Broxton (26)
Gordon, Withrow, Martin, Miller, Elbert
San Francisco
Sandoval (23)
Cain (25)
Lincecum (26)
Posey, Bumgarner, Wheeler, Runzler, Neal
Oakland
Anderson (22)
Cahill (22)
Mazzaro (23)
Barton (24)
Gio Gonzalez (24)
Sweeney (25)
Suzuki (26)
Pennington (26)
Buck (26)
Bailey (26)
Carter, Taylor, Ynoa, Weeks, Green, Cardenas, Stassi, Ross, Figueroa
Florida
Maybin (23)
Volstad (23)
Coghlan (25)
Miller (25)
Hanley Ramirez (26)
Gaby Sanchez (26)
Josh Johnson (26)
Anibal Sanchez (26)
Leo Nunez (26)
Stanton, Dominguez, Morrison, James, Tucker
Colorado
Fowler (24)
Carlos Gonzalez (24)
Franklin Morales (24)
Tulowitzki (25)
Stewart (25)
Jimenez (26)
Street (26)
Friedrick, Matzek, Chacin, Rosario, Gomez, Rogers
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Atlanta — don’t forget Yunel Escobar (27) and arguably Martin Prado (26).
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by alexwithclass on Mar 12, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot Prado
Didn’t list everyone under 27 but I should have gotten Prado.
I only went age 26 and under, since that seemed to be how the question was phrased. If we open it up to 27 year olds lots of these teams add guys… Twins get Mauer, for instance.
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I would include
Sean Rodriguez and Jake McGee on your list of non-major league talent in TB and might move Joyce onto the non-major league part of the list as well despite his experience in the majors as he is not certain to make the team yet.
I would think that the Dodgers would lead in young, established talent.
IMO, prospects that are really high are still a level below players that are successful in the majors. When your young talent is Kemp, Kershaw, Broxton, Loney, Martin, Billingsley, Kuo, Belisario, Ethier plus top prospects(Gordon, Withrow, E. Martin, Miller, Lambo, yes I know he had a bad year, but being 20 and in AA and at least being OK has some standing, etc, they have the best core of established players with prospects to boot.
Now, if all players are the same(all prospects and MLB players are expected to succeed), then it goes to TB
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 12, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions
You: Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers Dodgers.
Maybe relax a little bit with that.
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He's got a good point though.
Thats a great top end of the rotation, a pair of solid bullpen arms, an elite center fielder, an above average catcher, and two nice complimentary players. Not many teams can match that.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 13, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
If my favorite team was the Astros and I posted that, ok
But when the team is undoubtedly in the discussion and if we are talking established players, very close to the top of the pack… this just seems like something you have been wanting to post for a while and when you got a chance, you took it, even if it wasn’t the smartest place.
But eh, whatever, if you have a problem with me.. you aren’t the first and probably won’t be the last, but I’m not going to change how I feel to please you. If it angers you that much, just pass over my comments.
And honestly, how many teams have two TOR arms that are 25 and 22, one of the best CFs in the game, who’s 25, one of the top RFs who is 27, a top 7 catcher in all of baseball even with his worst year, two of the best young pen arms in the game and a complementary 1B? Not many…
One final thing, if you read my post I say that if we are counting prospects equally with MLB players, then Tx and TB are at or near the top. But If MLB players have more weight than prospects, which, IMO, they should because they are established, unlike prospects, then the Dodgers are at the top…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 13, 2010 2:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Worst year offensively*
When I’m talking about Martin
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 13, 2010 2:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t want to speak for alskor here, but I sincerely doubt he has a problem with you. I do think he has a valid point, though — in a community focused on minor league players, 98% of your comments revolve around the Dodgers. I realize that’s your area of expertise (as the Phillies are mine, as the Red Sox are alskor’s), but it might help to broaden your horizons just a bit.
by PhillyFriar on Mar 13, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, most of my posts are about the Dodgers
Im not going to lie, I am very new to prospecting. I have learned the Dodger’s system fairly well because that is the team I focus on the most. I have found that when I make statements about other team’s prospects, more times than not, I end up looking like a moron. IMO, it’s better to comment on what you know than comment on something you dont and look like an idiot…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 13, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I should say
What irks me isnt the fact that he decided to call me out.. whatever. But the fact that he picked a forum where what I said isnt at all homeristic and has a lot to do with the conversation… the fact that he picked this place, to me, seemed to hint that he had been wanting to write it for a while and when he got a chance to do it, took it…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 13, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I did.
I totally “called you out.”
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Sorry
do you want me to say “he questioned my beliefs and the fact I make lots and lots and lots of Dodger posts” in a little poindexter voice? What would have been the better way for me to describe it? Please, enlighten me
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 14, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
You could take it as me saying "lighten up" or "chill out"
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Gotta take the Barves...
Jason Heyward
Tommy Hanson
Brian McCann
Jair Jurjjens
You could add anyone else and I think that is the best top 5.
After that I would go
2. Tampa
3. Texas
4. Tampa
5. Baltimore
6. Florida
7. Colorado
8. Dodgers
9. Oakland
10. Boston
as far as top 5 you listed
Heyward > Jennings
Hanson = Price
McCann<<<Longoria
Jurrjens<<Garza
anyone< Davis or Upton, whichever you would probably rate 5th for the Rays
those aren’t in order as I’d rate them as the Rays would probably be
Longoria
Garza
Jennings
Price
Davis/Upton
If you’re looking at what they have done in the majors thus far it’s hard to say that Hanson=Price, that would need to be changed to Hanson>Price.
by atl14yearsschaffer on Mar 13, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Heyward >>>Jennings – Just because Jennings is within the top 10 prospects with Heyward doesn’t mean that he’s only one “>” away. Jennings could be an allstar, but Heyward could be much, much more.
Hanson=Price – I’ll agree with you on this one, I think they are both great. Although, Hanson’s road dominance of the Yankees and BoSox last year almost gets him the “>” here.
McCann<<Longoria – See the Heyward/Jennings explaination. McCann is going to make alot of all star teams, but just can’t hang with Longoria. Two of my favorite players, and all-around good guys.
Jurrjens>Garza – You do know Jurrjen’s ERA was over a full point lower than Garzas (@ two years younger)?? IDK, an equal score is tempting here, however retaining a sub 3.00 ERA over 200 IP as a 23 year old is pretty special.
Medlen>Davis – Davis had great results in his brief MLB stint last season, however, I’m not buying. I hate fastballs with no movement, and thats exactly what Davis has. They both have great curves, but Meds has the better change.
Schafer<Upton – Both struggled last season, I’m giving Upton the benefit due to past MLB results.
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by bwellnjonesco on Mar 15, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Twins?
Denard Span
Francisco Liriano
Joe Mauer
Kevin Slowey
Kyle Gibson
Wilson Ramos
Aaron Hicks
Ben Revere
Delmon Young
Jason Kubel
JJ Hardy
David Bromberg
Nick Blackburn
Angel Morales
Daniel Valencia
Rene Tosoni
Billy Bullock
Max Kepler
Miguel Sano
Joe Benson
Parmelee, Polanco, Ty Robertson, Carlos Gutierrez, Deolis Guerra, Adrian Salcedo, Anthony Slama
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 13, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions
Major league ready ?
I thought the discussion was regarding major league talent or talent that´s almost major league ready. While Joe Mauer alone should bring the Twins into discussion, at least Kepler & Sano probably won´t make their major league debut – in a best case scenario – before late 2013.
Milwaukee Brewers
Give me a better, more established top-3 than Prince-Braun-Yovani. They definitely have the field beat in the top-2. Add in Alcides Escobar and Brett Lawrie and you have a true foundation for the future. They may lack a bit in pitching…well perhaps more than a bit, but they can certainly fill out a lineup to supplement that lack.
C-Lucroy/Salome (I’m a big-time Angel fan. A year removed from pacing a stacked Southern League in BA – and really hitting)
1B- HoF Fielder
2B – Weeks
SS – Escobar
3B – Gamel
LF – Braun
CF – Gomez/LoCain/Schafer
RF – Kentrail Davis/Caleb Gindl
And a lot of interesting arms. Quality bats. Quantity arms.
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
Nevermind
Rickie Weeks. DOB – 09/13/82 . Just BEYOND the cutoff. 2B is where LeBat Blue plays.
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
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