Community Prospect #76
by gatling on Mar 10, 2010 9:13 PM EST
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With 21.7% of the vote, Ike Davis is elected Community Prospect #75.
1. Jason Heyward - 51%
2. Stephen Strasburg - 76%
3. Buster Posey - 20% (43% runoff)
4. Michael Stanton - 20% (54% runoff)
5. Jesus Montero - 20% (45% runoff)
6. Brian Matusz - 21%
7. Pedro Alvarez - 23%
8. Desmond Jennings - 29%
9. Carlos Santana -37% (50% runoff)
10. Neftali Feliz -37% (50% runoff)
11. Justin Smoak - 46%
12. Domonic Brown - 23% (59% runoff)
13. Madison Bumgarner - 30%
14. Martin Perez - 28%
15. Dustin Ackley - 31%
16. Chris Carter - 33.6%
17. Jeremy Hellickson - 29.4%
18. Michael Taylor - 36.9%
19. Alcides Escobar - 37.0%
20. Christian Friedrich - 29.0%(53.2% runoff)
21. Logan Morrison - 45.6%
22. Ryan Westmoreland - 24.7%
23. Aroldis Chapman - 32.0%
24. Wade Davis - 40.8%
25. Fernando Martinez - 30.5%
26. Aaron Hicks - 33.3%
27. Kyle Drabek - 34.0%
28. Lonnie Chisenhall - 24.5%
29. Jenrry Mejia - 18.8%(51.6% runoff)
30. Yonder Alonso - 25.5%
31. Matt Moore - 19.0%(70.7% runoff)
32. Brett Wallace - 24.3%
33. Dan Hudson - 20.2%
34. Freddie Freeman - 17.4%
35. Jhoulys Chacin - 21.2%
36. Casey Kelly - 27.8%
37. Casey Crosby - 29.8%
38. Starlin Castro - 27.5%
39. Brett Lawrie - 18.4% (42.9% runoff)
40. Derek Norris - 17.3% (42.9% runoff)
41. Tyler Flowers - 20.2%
42. Tyler Matzek -22.7%
43. Jacob Turner - 23.0%
44. Michael Montgomery - 30.8%
45. Dee Gordon - 22%
46. Julio Teheran - 19.4%
47. Grant Green - 24.4%
48. Hector Rondon - 20.9%
49. Josh Bell - 22.4%
50. Jaff Decker - 22.3%
51. Michael Saunders - 22.6%
52. Chris Withrow - 19.4%
53. Aaron Crow - 21.2%
54. Jason Castro - 18.8%
55. Tanner Scheppers - 23.2% (60.9% runoff)
56. Jordan Lyles - 23.2%(39.1% runoff)
57. Jake Arrieta - 28.0%
58. Todd Frazier - 23.1%
59. Jared Mitchell - 28.8%
60. Arodys Vizcaino - 21.1%
61. Zach Britton - 21.0%
62. Matt Dominguez - 19.7%
63. Simon Castro - 25.0%
64. Jarrod Parker - 24.6%
65. Zach Stewart - 18.5%
66. Tim Beckham - 22.2%
67. Alex Colome - 20.3%
68. Wil Myers - 23.1%
69. Mike Leake - 18.3%(55.1% runoff)
70. Jiovanni Mier - 20.7%
71. Josh Vitters - 20.3%
72. Kyle Gibson - 18.9%
73. Donovan Tate - 17.6%
74. Reid Brignac - 19.0%(54.5% runoff)
Players will get 1 round on the poll as a tester, if they fail to draw 5% they will then be removed and sit out up to 3 rounds.
Players off the poll(will sit out up to 3 rounds: Miguel Sano(#75-0%), Tim Melville(#75-0%), Drew Storen(#75-3.3%)Jay Jackson(#74-0%), Jason Knapp(#74-1.6%), Danny Duffy(#73-2.9%), Randall Delgado(#73-0%), Ethan Martin(#73-0%), Alex White(#72-0%), Alex Liddi(#72-0%), Wilson Ramos(#71-1.7%), Michael Main(#70-0%)
Tester pool: Josh Reddick, Eric Hosmer, Wilmer Font, Jemile Weeks, Adrian Cardenas, Mat Gamel, Jose Igelsias, Travis D'Arnaud, Hak-Ju Lee
The candidates with previous round vote %:
Thomas Neal 5.0%
Mike Trout 6.7%
Tony Sanchez 6.7%
Nick Hagadone
Brett Jackson 13.3%
Hank Conger 5.0%
Ryan Kalish 15.0%
Mike Moustakas 18.3%
Zach Wheeler
Over 130 AB/50 IP cutoff for eligibility
Please vote using the +1 system, not the rec system. Rec'd votes will not be counted in this poll, only actual posts with +1.
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Vote with a +1 here for James Darnell
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by gatling on Mar 10, 2010 9:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Vote with a +1 here for Mike Trout
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by gatling on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Vote with a +1 here for Tony Sanchez
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by gatling on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Vote with a +1 here for Shelby Miller
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by gatling on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
long overdue, imo. 5-tool (if you buy the arm) OF that should stick in CF. Potential 20-25 HR hitter. Positive reports on his one area of concern. Should be in AA at some point this year. A perfect prospect? No. But one with immense upside, a good start, and the floor is higher than given credit for (I could easily see him as a Mike Cameron-esque player, which while it isn’t his floor, is far from what his ceiling could be.
fwiw
I have him at #35, so yeah, I’d say he’s long over-due. His tools are generally outstanding and he stepped right into pro ball and was excellent. If he had put up that line during his college season (translated), he would have been the potential top 10 pick that some suggested his raw talent level would have warranted.
I would say, though, that you’re really underrating Cameron here. If his floor is even somewhat close to what Cameron has been and his ceiling far exceeds that, then Jackson’s a no brainer top 15 overall prospect and probably better.
by mrkupe on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for Cameron Love
Very underrated player.
Vote with a +1 here for Hank Conger
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by gatling on Mar 10, 2010 9:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Vote with a +1 here for Ryan Kalish
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by gatling on Mar 10, 2010 9:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
+1
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Mar 11, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Crash Davis
by Terry Ryan Jr on Mar 10, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
me too
but that is also how i feel about alonso and wallace.overrated. anthony rizzo is about as good as those 3. personal opinion.
You can add in Freeman and Morrison
I just don’t think these guys have elite bats. Morrison and Alonso are the best of the bunch, but I don’t think they’re top 50 guys.
disagree on Morrison
we haven’t seen his true power yet. when he is healthy, he will mash. same with Weglarz, who i’d definitely take over Ike Davis 8 days of the week.
weglarz over ike?
Yeah . . .you can have that.
I don’t think Ike will be a great player, but I think he’s a solid regular for somebody at either 1B or corner OF. I’m really skeptical that Weglarz is going to be that useful . . .his defensive limitations mean that his upside is a solid average player all things considered. That’s not a bad guy to have in your minor league system, but he’s not somebody you should get excited about at all until he’s clearly major league ready.
Exactly
People seem to love to bash Morrison, while forgetting just how much power he flashed earlier in his career when he wasn’t obstructed by a fluke injury or one of the worst hitting environments in the minors.
Morrison is most definitely a top 50 prospect. I argue he belongs in the top 25 easily.
My concern about his power goes beyond his statistical profile
Scouts have questioned his power a lot. His swing is a line drive, inside out job. I hate that in a 1B. I question how much of the “he will hit for power” stuff comes from him being a big kid.
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The LaRoche comp is laughable
Ike will be better than LaRoche in the majors this year.
+1
Not an impact guy. Average 1B at best. Long swing = contact issues and lots of Ks. People are falling in love because he has big time power. It takes more than that to be a good 1B in the bigs.
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average at worst
This is going to be interesting to watch.
Ike should be higher actually.
62 BA, 64 KLaw, 57 PP. BP at 87 is one of his lowest ranks. People underrate the value of even an average first baseman. I think they think a mid-level ss or cf have higher WARs than a mid-level 1B, but they don’t. And I actually think that’s about his floor, not his ceiling, although I don’t think he’ll be elite.
I'm just so glad...
that we voted a guy with an 86-89mph heater as the #13 prospect.
Yup, that’s right:
bad day for giants pitchin. bumgarner is not able to put it where he wants
http://twitter.com/FrankiePiliere/status/10340162206
86 to 88 by end of the inning for bumgarner. at some point i have to wonder where the velocity is
http://twitter.com/FrankiePiliere/status/10340259064
bumgarner 86 to 89 overall today for everyone asking
http://twitter.com/FrankiePiliere/status/10340359530
bumgarner’s delivery just doesnt lend itself to being a hard thrower. didnt are much of him before last year though. not much lwr half drive
http://twitter.com/FrankiePiliere/status/10340656201
bumgarner living around 86 mph now…
http://twitter.com/FrankiePiliere/status/10340975186
full count breaking ball from bumgarner misses. you think he knows his velocity isnt the same? oh yeah
http://twitter.com/FrankiePiliere/status/10341123603
This is why we don’t assume things like velocity will come back.
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More
One scout in attendance clocked #Giants prospect Madison Bumgarner between 86 and 89 but said his arm slot was low, flattening his pitches
http://twitter.com/SI_JoeLemire/status/10342762656
Until this year Bumgarner was a guy I hadn’t seen live aside from late ‘09. I’m pretty disappointed in how he looks
http://twitter.com/FrankiePiliere/status/10342669128
I’ve been asked why I ranked Bumgarner high if I’m down on him. Well that was Jan when I thought his stuff would come back. So far it hasn’t
http://twitter.com/FrankiePiliere/status/10342907242
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I can confirm Madison Bumgarner’s velocity topped out at 89 mph. Some 84s and 85s in his second inning. He walked four of 11 batters. Ouch.
http://twitter.com/extrabaggs/status/10343267148
That from a Giants beat writer (Baggerly).
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It actually wouldn't shock me if he was hiding an injury.
As was mentioned above, he doesn’t involve his lower half much. He also stays closed late and throws across his body. Shying away from his fastball and reduced velocity are typical of that (and 1000 other things).
Sounds more like the kind of things that lead to shoulder stuff rather than elbow, but I’m already way too bullshit speculative for my tastes at this point…
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Bam
So, where did the velocity go? I took the time to go back and look at some old footage of Bumgarner to confirm what I was already pretty certain of. His mechanics have not changed, at least in any way drastic enough to alter his velocity. But there has long been concerns over his cross-body delivery and the stress it may be putting on his shoulder. Bumgarner does not throw like an injured pitcher. In fact, his delivery is rather easy and not violent. At the same time, he does very little work with his lower half and most of his velocity is created by his arm action.
Over time, many scouts thought this might become a concern. Perhaps it is already. He may not be breaking down, but given the extra workload put on his left shoulder with the limited drive he is creating with his lower half, it’s possible that maybe he just could not maintain that previously mid-90s velocity.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/03/11/scouting-notes-the-curious-case-of-madison-bumgarner/
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