Chapman and Strasburg: What is to be Done?
What I Would Do with Chapman and Strasburg
Well, we finally got to see Aroldis Chapman and Stephen Strasburg in actual game action, and the results were quite strong.
Chapman made the Royals look silly with his 100 MPH fastball; veteran scout Art Stewart said he has the best southpaw arm he's seen since Herb Score.
A fireballing lefty, Herb Score had two amazing seasons with the Cleveland Indians in 1955 and 1956 at age 22/23, but he hurt his arm and was never the same after that, reminding us that even the very best young pitching prospect is still a pitching prospect and carries significant risk. As for Chapman, he showed more polish in his first spring outing than pre-season reports indicated, though of course we need to see if that holds up.
So what should the Reds do with Chapman? If he continues to pitch like this, pressure to bring him north will increase. I can understand that. I don't know and can't predict what will happen roster-wise, but I can tell you what I would do if I were in Cincy's shoes. If he keeps blowing people away this spring, I would be publically non-committal about bringing him north until the last minute, then assign him to Double-A Carolina to begin the season. I would keep him there for a minimum of 10 starts, focusing on getting him acclimated to the United States, the language, and professional baseball. Even if he's blowing people away, the cultural transition can be a very difficult one for Cuban players. Psychologically, if he has a rough adjustment it could have a negative impact on what happens on the field. Therefore, I would be cautious until I was sure he is comfortable off-the-field as well as on.
After 10 starts, I would re-assess. If he's struggling or just mediocre, leave him there. If he's dominating the league, I'd move him up to Triple-A Louisville. At Louisville I'd re-assess after five starts. If he's shutting down Triple-A, then I'd promote him to the majors at that point. If he's struggling or mediocre, I'd leave him there until September. So, if I were in charge of Cincinnati's player development, Chapman would get a minimum of 15 starts in Double-A and Triple-A before being pushed into major league action.
Stephen Strasburg, meanwhile, was also very impressive in his spring training debut, although he threw "only" 98 MPH compared to Chapman's 100. Like Chapman, Strasburg will put a lot of pressure on Washington's front office if he has a good spring. And as with Chapman, if I were running the show I'd send him to the minors to start his pro career even if he continues to shut hitters down.
In Strasburg's case, the cultural/language adjustment factor isn't an issue, but I would still rather not rush him. The Nationals aren't going to win this year even if Strasburg makes 32 starts and throws 200 innings. I'd start him off at Double-A Harrisburg, with the same 10-starts-before-promotion philosophy I have with Chapman. Even Tom Seaver and Roger Clemens spent time in the minors, and it can't possibly hurt Strasburg to do the same. It can only help him.
Generally speaking, my philosophy for the advancement of pitching prospects is quite conservative, even in cases of extreme talent like Chapman and Strasburg. Of course, this is all theoretical: I'm not running a team, and it is easy to make grand philosophical pronouncements when millions of dollars are not on the actual line. Real teams face the pressure to win now, and sometimes that overrides the long-term consideration of pure player development.
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Chapman
I am 100% with you John. The Reds have plenty of other options for the #5 spot with Travis Wood, Matt Maloney, Micah Owings and the major underdogs Justin Lehr and Mike Lincoln (please no) that they have the ability to not rush Chapman out of need.
+1 John
Obviously the fans want to see these guys up with their MLB team right away, but why rush these guys? Especially in Chapman’s case, these guys could use the extra seasoning in the minors to get acclaimated to professional baseball. Plus, like you mentioned, its not like either of these teams will be in contention in the immediate future.
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true with the Nats
but the NL Central is wide open, and the Reds could contend this year. I say this as a Cubs fan not looking forward to facing that lineup repeatedly.
by PrincetonCubs on Mar 10, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, I like this Reds team quite a bit
If the pitching stays healthy, I think that they give the Cardinals a run for their money
I agree
It’s not like the two teams don’t have mediocre pitching on their staff. Why rush them if they are a “surefire” good talent anyway? How much more wins can Chapman and Strabsurg add in the standings?
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I agree
PItchers that have been thrown to the wolves have not fared well. I would start both in the minors (AA) so they can get their feet wet and work on their secondary pitches. If both are blowing away minor league hitters in June or July, I call both up to serve as middle relievers for two reasons. First, I think learning to pitch in those situations will prove valuable. Second, I don’t think you want to put 200 innings on either arm in their first pro season.
Isn't there a bit of a difference between the two due to their contracts?
The Nationals can save money by keeping Strasburg in the minors, but Chapman receives the full amount no matter where he’s playing? So that would give the Reds more motivation to rush Chapman and the Nationals at least some to keep Strasburg down.
Correct me if I’m wrong on this, I could very well be.
Chapman
Would still need 6 years of service time to become a free agent. He also probably can void his contract in favor of arbitration as well.
Stats are not a euphemism for tits
You're a bit wrong
The wording of Chapman’s contract is confusing, but basically if he started the year in the majors, he’d be arb eligible in 2013. He’s guaranteed $2 mil that season, but if he is arb eligible that money becomes a bonus and he gets what he can in arb. Then in 2014 he’s guaranteed $3 mil, but that would also become a bonus and he’d get what he got in arb.
So basically, the difference between his callup in April and mid-June is probably around $5-8 million and a year of team control. For a guy who’s only 22, it doesn’t seem worth it to have him start the year in the bigs.
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I would leave Strasburg in AAA until after the middle of May
That way I’ll be able to see him at Pawtucket!
Care to guess why I would keep Chapman in AAA until the middle of June?
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AAA is the way to go
Strasburg needs to go to AAA Syracuse so I can catch a few starts
by GoldenSpikes24 on Mar 11, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
The X Factor
If I’m running the Reds, I keep Chapman in the minor until I’ve found an excuse to fire Dusty Baker. I’m not letting him shred such a promising arm.
What about Jason Heyward?
I lean towards letting him have some success in AAA and delaying his service time, but you can make a good argument that he’s their best RF right now, and service time may not be such a big factor for a larger revenue club like the Braves.
Another interesting topic – would you offer Heyward a long-term deal now?
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I'd send him down as well
The Braves have improved their OF enough where it shouldn’t be a huge downgrade to go with some combination of Melky/Hinske/Diaz in the corners. I also think it’ll be best for Heyward’s development to get some AAA time.
John
Absolutely with you on this. Living in these times of instant gratification, many people will call for both of them to start the season in the bigs without considering any of your valid points.
Let’s just stop, take a deep breath, and look at the big picture.
No reason for these guys to start any higher than AA…..
Waiting for the first "snow game" in Minnesota.....
Grow the hype
Send them both to the minors, regardless of how they do. If they happen to do well early on, there respective teams should start an ad campaign revolved around their lore. Set a date for their debuts, and hype them as much as you can, not like they haven’t been already. I think once they arrive, people will forget they might have been sent to the minors necessarily and they will just enjoy the ride.
I was in Cincy on business the day Homer Bailey made his first start and it was all anyone would talk about. Not being there full time, did any of that hype and the subsequent mediocore start to Bailey’s career jade any Reds fans to hype for great pitching prospects and the surrounding hype?
I'm sure it did for some.
It didn’t for me because of Bailey’s age and ceiling. I expected him to be about where he is. The average fan will always ride the talk radio rollercoaster. Cincinnati is no different.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Heyward
Yes, its Spring Training. And yes, its a super-small sample size.
But Heyward looks ready to me. He should start as the Braves’ opening day RF. If he struggles after a month, you can still send him down to save his arb clock.
Generally speaking, my philosophy for the advancement of pitching prospects is quite conservative
I agree with you. I woul drather see both get a full season in the minors, if they are doing well at AA move then to AAA at the allstar break. I think it is important to get their arms ready physically for the long hall. Remember the mets with Pulsipher, Wilson and Izzy back in the early 90s, blowing out their arms from over use to early.
That said I see both teams bring them up mid-summer, and this is why. Both teams will be mediocre at best and fighting for fan attendence. One way to boost attendence is to bring up the best prospect, people will come out and see them every time they pitch the rest of the year regardless of outcome, for a hope at a glimpse of greatness to come.
it is sad but the all might $$$$ will rule here
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 11, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions
You left a door open with Strasburg...
Hypothetically speaking, what if the Nationals were in a position to contend in a tight NL East? Those 15 GS in the minors means someone you consider an inferior talent gets those starts in the Show and that could be the difference between winning the pennant and falling a game or two short.
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John
I sure you are, but are you factoring in innings pitched? It seems to me that neither guy is likely to be asked to throw 200 innings this season without building up for a couple of seasons. Thoughts?
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
I think that is something that makes Chapman a bit different
He has been throwing pretty much year round in Cuba. From what I’ve read about Jose Contreras Cuban baseball doesn’t really value pitch counts either. So I don’t think the Reds will need to limit his innings as compared to somebody with a more traditional baseball background.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 12, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions

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