Tim Lincecum
I don't think there is a need for a report on him but there was some interest.
Fastball
- Velocity averaged 92.5 I think. A drop from 2008. From watching it he was 93-95 early in the game and then the velocity decreased. Occasionally he would reach back for extra later in the game.
- Excellent late life. Sometimes a ton of hard late life. Most of the time good late life, but he does throw some flatter fastballs as well.
- Tailing action similar to his change. Just doesn't dive down like the change.
- Doesn't seem afraid to come inside
- Throws a lot of strikes
- Location is an issue. He doesn't have very good command. With his velocity, movement, and secondary pitches it shouldn't get as much hard contact as it does. But he frequently throws in bad locations.
Change
- Nice tailing action with solid downward movement
- Can throw it for strikes or use as a chase pitch. Not hittable when used as a chase pitch
- I've seen hitters sit on the change and crush it. I've also seen a hitter sit on the change only to get 3 grooved fastballs down the middle with his bat on his shoulder. I doubt he does that again.
- I saw one game where Cincy hitters sat on breaking pitches. The first 4 hitters had 2 hard hits, one hard hit out and a walk. I'm not saying this to slag him, this happens to anyone. It's more in response to a poster who didn't think hitters sit on change-ups.
- Gets lots of strikes in the zone and lots of strikes chasing out of the zone
- Excellent pitch
Curve
- I've heard he throws 2 types but I've seen 3. He throws a pitch that he calls a slider curve (or something) but Molina says is just a hard curve, then he throws his regular curve and he also throws a get me over once in a while.
- Doesn't have the consistency with this pitch like he does with the change. Maybe because he throws it less?
- Can be an excellent weapon when hitters are chasing or he commands it well that day. It's a decent 3rd pitch.
Outlook
- There is some concern over the velocity drop. As it stands he has plenty. If it drops more I still think he will be a quality pitcher but nothing like he is right now. Not without some other improvement to offset it
- He gets away with poor command of his fastball because of the late life and the velocity.If the velocity drops I think it starts to get hit harder. What will he do, throw it less? He threw it only 53% or some amazing number like that.
- Lincecum should be one of the best pitchers in baseball this year but I don't like the trend of lost velocity and going away from his fastball
I love what he brings and especially his change. While I mention it is hittable when sat on I prefer a pitch that can be thrown consistently for strikes more than an unhittable pitch that gets way too many balls. That's AJ Burnett territory. And I really love the movement on his fastball. I have a lot of red flags (fastball command, velocity loss in 2009, velocity loss in game, diminishing fastball usage, size) for him but his stuff is so good at the moment it doesn't matter.
And the answer is yes, I do know I will get an awful lot of comments from "Timmy" fans.
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it seemed like lincecum threw his fastball at a lower velocity
to get better command of it…
when he needed to throw it 95 96…. even late in games he would rear back and try to blow a hitter away…
i dont think the velocity drop is a big issue..
okay, a few over/under wagers
Number of posts by people named sharksrog – Number of posts by people not named sharksrog: .5
Most number of times sharksrog uses the word “Timmy” in a single post: 5.5
Number of people who make the obvious “So how many Stephen Strasburgs is he going to win, anyways?” joke: 1.5
Number of people who suggest Lincecum’s mechanics and/or size will contribute to a major arm injury: 2.5
Number of people who suggest Linecum’s mechanics and/or size will contribute to a major arm injury, yet have absolutely no business trying to act like any sort of authority on pitching mechanics: -2.5
Feel free to add your own.
sharksrog
is famous for stalking lincecum over at MCC.
He was posting here quite frequently
When Timmy was in the minors.
I would argue it makes him a better pitcher
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
by Mets2k9 on Feb 15, 2010 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It doesnt change my view on him as a player.
Honestly, I could care less.
However, it does make me think he is either dumb or naive… speeding when you are high and got weed in the car… how stupid are you? Especially when you are a star and everyone knows your in the city…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Feb 15, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
he wasn’t high according to police and he wasn’t in the city. He got pulled over near Hazel Dell on I-5 (which is a major speed trap btw). So it is not like he was pulled over for driving 100mph in the middle of Seattle with a blunt in his mouth.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
really?
For some reason I thought he was high, speed just outside of Seattle… whatever, you get my point. When you are worth as much money as he is worth, this kind of thing doesnt make you look very smart either way
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Feb 15, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get your point,
the guy was driving over the speed limit, not recklessly. He had some pot on him- big frigging deal. It’s not like he was being dumb or naive about driving… So what if he had some pot? It’s not like he was snorting coke or doing crack or driving drunk or hitting people with his car.
Really it’s a nonissue when it comes to his performance. I highly doubt Tim Lincecum will get caught doing something else this silly in the next 5 years.
It’s not like no other pro athlete has ever done drugs, been caught speeding, and it’s going to be done by another pro athlete eventually….
"When Justin Upton faces Lincecum, I think Christ might appear in the heavens, and the world will end." -JakeFree
Marijuana is not a drug
I will repeat this until I am blue in the face. It is a plant, not a man made chemical compound
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
I said at the start it doesnt change my thoughts on Lincecum as an athlete
And it doesnt change my thoughts on him as a person. I could care less if he smokes pot.
However, when you are Tim Lincecum, or Roy Halladay, or Derek Jeter(because that is the level he is at now, like it or not) you dont get arrested for pot possession. It is one of those things athletes shouldnt get caught with. It’s bad PO for him, his team and the game. Imagine how Bud felt when he found out one of the best young pitchers in the game was arrested for speeding and pot possession?
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Feb 16, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
question
have you watched him over the last 2 years or just last year? because i’ve watched him extensively (we get lots of SF games where I live) and I think his delivery has gotten much less max effort. it’s an empirical fact that he’s not throwing as hard, but it doesn’t seem like he’s trying as hard. he also looks bigger so i think he’s realized he doesn’t have to throw as hard anymore to get results and he’s doing this to put less wear and tear on himself. there’s also of course the emergence of his change which i’m sure makes his fastball look faster without having to be as fast.
by son.of.sourman on Feb 15, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions
goddamnit
wasn’t lincecum my example of someone you SHOULDN’T bother writing up? oh well.
i mean, the guy is supersick. no doubt. the only question is, who’s right? the people who insist he’s somehow impervious to being abused? or the people who insist all of this will catch up to him eventually? and, if the latter, when?
i’ve seen him pitch at least 30 times, since i live in the bay area. every time, i’m amazed. well, every time but one: a ballgame i was at, in which he struck out 15 Pirates, tying the Giants single-game strikeout record. i know it sounds strange, but it was the WORST 15-K game you’ll ever see. and, in fairness, he looked subpar against the Dodgers in his final start of the season.
anyway, even as a Dodger fan, i appreciate him enough as an athlete that i hope the Giants don’t end up ruining his arm. so long as the Giants also agree to continue to field a triple-A offense.
how many times have you watched Greinke or Felix pitch?
I don’t get the people who think Lincecum is the best pitcher in baseball.
And I don’t get how the velocity drop doesn’t absolutely terrify SF fans. It was supposed to gain better command. I didn’t see very good command however. And he was at 55.8 % fastballs. Any less than this and hitters will completely sit on his soft stuff, I don’t know why they don’t already.
His stuff is sick. But if he throws less fastballs he is in trouble. And if there is continued velocity loss …
Uh, maybe because he IS the best pitcher in baseball?
The only guy you could argue is Halladay. I love King Felix and Greinke, but they are a half-step below Lincecum and Halladay.
wanted to write....
…..a response to you earlier on this point.
first, to answer your questions most directly, i have seen Greinke pitch at least 20 times, and Felix pitch around 8-10 (though never live for either one). arguing about which one is TRULY the best doesn’t interest me that much: they’re all great, and you can’t go wrong. if there’s one thing i ALWAYS mean by Lincecum being the best, it’s that a complete non-fan who knew shit about what good pitching looks like would have the easiest time seeing why Lincecum is unhittable. although Greinke and Felix (and hell — probably a healthy Dustin McGowan) are close behind. but i think Lincecum is actually a clear cut ahead in terms of wow-factor to the casual observer.
there is, obviously, more to good pitching than impressing casual observers, though. of course, Lincecum’s results have been the most impressive as well — especially over the last TWO seasons.
now, this is actually the heart of what i wanted to talk to you about: your claim that there were 5 or 6 AL pitchers better than Lincecum. right off the bat, i want to say: “YES, the NL makes pitchers’ stats better.” for two reasons:
1) weaker league, and
2) no DH (which is a more important factor)
but let’s go to #1, because it honestly IS getting overstated in this case. i want to discuss this PURELY theoretically.
now, there are a bunch of things that could make one league “better” than the other, and we KNOW the AL is “better” in that they have dominated interleague play. just to break them into four categories, they could be:
1) there is more offensive depth in the AL
2) there is more pitching depth in the AL
3) the offensive stars are better in the AL
4) the pitching stars are better in the AL
next, i want to note that, statistically unadjusted, over the past decade, it’s SEEMED like the NL has actually had more superstars. you, of course, dismiss this, saying their stats are inflated by their league. i would agree.
but i disagree that what follows is the belief that, to the contrary, the AL’s simply better across the board, because it takes to sizable a leap in faith to think that’s what’s happening.
my belief is that the PRIMARY factor making the AL teams better is that they have more depth across their rosters. this, then, explains inflated SUPERSTAR stats in the NL: Pujols and HanRam and Co. have been beating up on all the terrible 3s, 4s and 5s in the NL, while Lincecum is dominating bad 7-8 hitters (not to mention the other factor — pitchers vs. hitters in the 9). this explains why it is that NL stars APPEAR better while the league looks worse.
your theory is that the AL is just better at everything: better teams, better depth (which is STILL necessary to believe in to explain the better-on-paper All-Star teams the NL has produced from 2000-2009), better star hitters and better star pitchers. to me, that just sounds like someone who watches too much AL baseball and has a strong bias toward this simple worldview. it’s tough to explain how something like that would even happen: the AL really ended up with 6 pitchers or so better than ANYONE in the NL???? how?
whether Lincecum or Greinke or Felix is “the best” pitcher in baseball is certainly open to debate. but it seems ridiculous to pretend it isn’t Greinke and Felix who have to make a lot of excuses why they might be as good as Lincecum instead of vice versa. or to pretend the NL/AL breakdown is some dichotomous and universal rule where, in any debate, you simply say “the AL players are better — look at interleague results.”
finally, as for the fastball — they don’t sit on it because it’s pretty ridiculously difficult to hit even if you are? and because, presumably, he’d switch it up to his other two ridiculously good pitches if people were?
his command isn’t perfect, but it hasn’t been half bad these last two seasons either. i actually don’t even see it as a problem. obviously, if his arm wears out, that could change. but he also does have more margin for error given his ridiculous stuff.
by bleedjaxblue on Feb 16, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
agreed on most
Definitely think it’s the depth. Looking at the lineups the #9 is a non-factor and the #8 is a fair bit worse than in the AL.
Back to the fastball. We must have had some confusion there. I’m wondering why hitters don’t sit on his off-speed pitches more. His fastball command isn’t that good. I’m not talking his control, rather that he misses in the wrong spots too often. But it doesn’t matter, good velocity and excellent movement.
And yeah, he has a lot of room for error. He could lose velocity and still be a very good pitcher. And he could gain better command and become even better.
I’m not sure I said 5 or 6 AL pitchers better than him. I would put Felix & Greinke ahead of him. Others in the discussion would be Halladay, CC, Lincecum, Santana, Lester, Carpenter, Haren, C.Lee to name a few. I would put Lincecum probably 2nd of that group.
But I realize it’s futile since the league effect is so hard to judge on an individual basis.
you seriously
don’t “get” why someone would ever call Lincecum the best pitcher in baseball? Maybe it’s because he’s won two cy young awards in a row…..or the fact that he’s the fastest to 2 cy young awards ever
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