Los Angeles Dodgers Top 20 Prospects for 2011
All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don't get too concerned about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get past the Top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize.
Feel free to critique the list, but use logic and reason rather than polemics to do to. The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2011 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!
QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:
Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.
Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.
A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.
Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.
Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.
Los Angeles Dodgers Top 20 Prospects for 2011.
1) Dee Gordon, SS, Grade B: I still love the speed and athleticism, but he needs to do a better job using it. Stolen base success ratio and error rates are troublesome.
2) Jerry Sands, 1B-OF, Grade B: I think his bat is for real, should be a very productive power hitter. Ranks behind Gordon due to future position value but that is not a knock on Sands.
3) Trayvon Robinson, OF, Grade B: Has dramatically improved his skills the last two years and has always had the tools.
4) Kenley Jansen, RHP, Grade B: You have to love the stuff, so good he's effective even without stellar command. Does he close?
5) Rubby De La Rosa, RHP, Grade B: I'm not sure he gets his due. Love the fastball and grounders, would like to see a few more strikeouts, does he start or relieve?
6) Zach Lee, RHP, Grade B: Would rank higher than Jansen and De La Rosa on pure long-term projection, but I want to see some pro data first. Struggles of other young RH power guys in the system have made me cautious. If all goes well, Lee can be number one next year.
7) Chris Withrow, RHP, Grade B-: This grade is generous if you only look at his performance, but I still like the upside.
8) Aaron Miller, LHP, Grade B-: Command collapse in Double-A is worrisome, but will try again this year and power lefties aren't that easy to find.
9) Allen Webster, RHP, Grade B-: I like him, and he doesn't get the attention he deserves on a national basis. Could zoom up the list.
10) Ethan Martin, RHP, Grade C+: I have no idea how to rank him. You can slot him much lower. His second half was scary-bad.
11) Scott Elbert, LHP, Grade C+: He looked great in the Arizona Fall League. Will he throw strikes? Is his head on straight?
12) Leon Landry, OF, Grade C+: A personal favorite, broad range of skills, but need to see him outside the Pioneer League.
13) Kyle Russell, OF, Grade C+: Love the power, hate the strikeouts.
14) Garrett Gould, RHP, Grade C+: Pioneer League performance wasn't hot, although scouts still seem to like him. Transition to full season ball will be enlightening.
15) Brian Cavazos-Galvez, OF, Grade C+: This will seem low to some Dodgers fans. I like what he's done so far, but the miniscule walk rate and age-relative-to-league make me wonder if he'll keep it up.
16) James Baldwin, OF, Grade C+: Had strike zone problems in rookie ball. Great tools, and for some non-objective reason I think he could improve quickly.
17) Jake Lemmerman, SS, Grade C+: Another college guy who tore up the Pioneer League. I like him, but rank him behind Landry since I'm not sure his tools will transition as well. Good skills though.
18) Javier Solano, RHP, Grade C+: If you want someone who will help faster, move him up the list. Should be a good middle man.
19) Matt Magill, RHP, Grade C+: Good numbers in the Midwest League, scouting opinion about him seems very mixed, some like his stuff, some don't. Deserves a full shot at higher levels.
20) Jonathan Garcia, OF, Grade C+: Toolsy Pioneer League guy might break out if he keeps the zone under control.
OTHERS OF NOTE: Steve Ames, RHP; Ralston Cash, RHP; Blake Dean, 1B; Ivan DeJesus, 2B; Tony Delmonico, C; Nathan Eovaldi, RHP; Josh Lindblom, RHP; Joc Pederson, OF; Jamie Pedroza, OF: Alfredo Silverio, OF; Blake Smith, OF: Angelo Songco, OF; Shawn Tolleson, RHP; Greg Wilborn, LHP; J.T. Wise, C; Rafael Ynoa, 2B.
I found many of the players in this system very difficult to grade and rank.
You can make a case for B+ for all of the Grade B guys: Gordon, Sands, Robinson, Jansen, and Lee; I went back and forth on every one of them, but each has some sort of issue that held me back. Grades on all of those guys may change when I start working on the Top 50/50 list next week and rank them against other players from other organizations.
Then there is the huge mass of B-/C+ types, very hard to rank. Withrow, Miller, Martin, Elbert, all of them have great arms but all of them had something go wrong this year that makes me wonder if they will reach their full potential, Martin especially. I have no idea where to slot him on the list, you could put him anywhere between 10 and 20 and make a case for it. I'm quite fond of Landry, but I want to see what both he and Lemmerton do against better competition. Russell and Cavazos-Galvez are a mixture of conspicuous strengths and weaknesses.
All in all, the Dodgers system has a lot of very intriguing raw material in it, but there are a huge number of questions as well. It is not a thin system, but even the elite guys at the top have a doubt or two.
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Very fair
I don’t have any serious disagreements with any of this.
Gordon scares me. I just see major league pitchers as being very likely to knock the bat out of his hands. I saw him play about a dozen times last year and I don’t think he hit more than two or three balls hard.
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lots of questions
John is absolutely right. Lots of talent and potential here, along with many shortcomings and question marks. Still, you have to think that at least several will go on to shine in the years ahead.
by wonderphenom on Dec 30, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone think Gordon might eventually project as a CF-er instead?
The errors continue to be a concern at short but I understand the desire to keep him there given value of athletic ceiling at that particular position…
just curious
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errors
can be misguiding in the minors. Gordon obviously needs work, but many of his errors stemmed from poor mechanics rather than bad plays. I have to think that because it is mechanical, there is potential for it to get corrected
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Dec 30, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
+1
It would be a huge mistake to move him off of SS. He has the tools to be well above average there.
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Thanks guys
was just curious. my hope is that will indeed improve this season. If it doesn’t, I’ll more seriously worry. He has “hella” tools as the kids say.
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Sands
Some here actually think that Sands is a better prospect than Freeman.
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by mdotmorris22 on Jan 2, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
why?
I am a Dodgers fan here, but am really curious why other experts are down on Sands after the breakout year he had in 2010. i don’t get it. He has power, stole some bases, nice OBP, can play 1B…..what is the issue. He definitely has more power than Freeman.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 2, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'm one of the bigger Freeman detractors (meaning, I don't think he's a top 25 prospect), but I just don't see any way to argue for Sands
Freeman’s scouting reports are more positive; he’s two years younger while being a level higher; and he’s the better defensive player.
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by Jeff Reese on Jan 2, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
scouting
There seems to be an especially strong correlation between how much a person likes looking at the raw numbers and how much that same person likes Sands. I tend to think the fantasy baseball lobby (who, to my best impression, tend to concern themselves with players strictly as numbers on a sheet) is responsible for a lot of the positive sentiment around Sands. He’s not a bad prospect at all, but it’s kind of telling when everybody who actually sees the guy play has a lot of questions about how much of a contributor he’s going to be at the highest level. It’s hard to even use the “people just didn’t get to see him play” excuse – Sands was in the AFL, and consequently he was seen by oodles of scouts.
by mrkupe on Jan 2, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
it’s curious though that the excuse when he was hitting well in Low A was that he was too old for the league. Then he moved up to AA and still hit well….as a 22 year old in AA is not old, if I am not mistaken. And he hit well in the AFL as well, so I would like to know what I am missing from a stats/fantasy point of view.
Is it his swing? I read Bryan Smith’s scouting report on him over at Fangraphs and he saw Sands working on hitting the ball the other way in batting practice and in games and actually questioned his power. He felt he would be a .300 hitter at the major league level, but was not sure about the power. Will be very interesting to see how he does in AAA, and in LA when he gets there.
Is the fact that he was not a high draft pick a reason for the low rankings…..in other words, scouts holding to their original ranking on him? Just questions i have as a fantasy guy and a Dodgers fan.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 2, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with him, his reasonable ceiling is just around an average regular
The numbers did fall off big time from A to AA (as should be expected) and his wRC+ in AA was just 1 point higher than Freeman’s at AAA despite the fact that he was 2 years older than Freeman. While the power numbers did still remain fairly strong, Chattanooga played very well for XBH for RHH last year with park factors of 113, 140, and 115 for 2B, 3B, and HR respectively. Gwinnett on other hand slightly suppresses power, so once we put everything in context Sands power output last season isn’t that much more impressive than Freeman’s. Considering Freeman’s age and the fact that he does get some strong scouting reports on his raw power, I wouldn’t project Sands to definitely have more power going forward (not sure if you were talking about future or current power in your comment comparing the two).
I would imagine it's the low draft pick status which is why he doesn't have a lot of support
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Yeah, stand up for him
He had a hell of a year, I don’t see why people just think nothing of him. I’m guessing a lot of it is due to him being such a low draft pick.
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De Jesus
I’m surprised he fell so far. I know his line wasn’t stellar but coming off a missed season he took a while to get going and was awful in April/May. But then he really picked it up in June/July/August and then the AFL. I still think he’s top 20 in this system, even if his ceiling isn’t as high as some.
nothing at all to sneeze at.
I actually think he has more upside than his dad, guys coming off of debilitating injuries have to be put in a different category so I just like the way he came on as the season progressed — especially that during the AFL he seems to have returned to having the batting eye that was one of the reasons he was so highly rated before his injury.
even if he is ‘just’ his dad, though, that certainly deserves a far, far higher rating than in the 20s.
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Back in the day. The best system in MLB. Who was in that convinced me to take Tiffany over Broxton in a draft? I don’t think it was John.
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Strange how many premium pitching prospects are in this top 20...
and how many of them have fallen on hard times. I’m still optimistic on all buy Elbert, really.
agreed, I am still really high on Withrow, Martin, and Miller
well, higher than most. some cause for concern…
Yeah, there's probably 25+ other teams that would love to have those guys 7-8-9-10-11 in their system.
Or, to look at it a different way, love to have those guy as the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th best pitching prospects in their system.
Thanks for kind words, alskor
2011 is really a make or break year for a lot of these dudes.
by Julio Nievas on Dec 31, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff
All fans tend to overrate their favorite team’s prospects, so it’s nice to see an objective look. Looking forward to BP’s and BA’s, too.
Landry at 12 is interesting. I like him a lot, too, but I didn’t think he’d crack the top 15. Gordon-Sands seem to be the consensus 1-2/2-1, so no surprise there. Withrow might have the most upside of any Dodger in the system, but he needs to get those control issues fixed… and fast. Elbert’s a little high for my liking, but maybe as a full-time reliever, he’ll live up to his promise.
Has DeJesus really fallen that far?
This is a lot like when the Dodgers had to rebuild their farm system after the late-90s/early-2000s debacles. Lots of high-potential players in the lower levels. Here’s hoping they repeat (or better) what the guys before them did (Martin, Kemp, Billingsley, et al).
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"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I think I'd be one of the few with some faith left in Elbert
He was always one of my favorite prospects, and unfortunately fell flat on his face. I had hopes for him as a starter, but it looks like he could still be a decent option out of the bullpen for the Dodgers. If he can get a little bit of control back, he could turn into a nice set up man.
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Seems fair
think 2010 18 year Jonathan Garcia is above the same guys in his league but we shall see how they all adapt to the tough hitting environment they are headed for next summer. Garcia certainly benefited from home cooking.
Baseball HQ really liked Galvez but I think they are over rating him. I can’t imagine that plate discipline playing in the upper leagues, Silverio may turn out to be a better hitter. Two guys who won’t take a walk if their life depended on it.
I’m not sure the Dodgers should waste anymore time on Ethan Martin as a starting pitcher, once April/May are done he pretty much has sucked. To bad they didn’t keep him at 3rd given how power hitting 3rd baseman are so rare these days.
I have high hopes for Lee / Webster / Ruddy
Jansen will continue to work on having the best non enhanced K/9 ratio in LA Dodger history.
Is this the year Elbert finally starts to work on his Billy Wagner impersonation?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Too early to give up on Martin?
He’s only logged 213+ innings, the first 100 of which were solid.
If they give up on him pitching, should they try to convert him? Is it now or never for that kind of move?
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by Dustin Nosler on Dec 30, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so....
Rick Ankiel converted at a later age.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 30, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Probably
Ray mentions Rick Ankiel but not many can convert from pitching to hitting. I hope he can turn the corner but doesn’t he look more like a power relief pitcher at best at this point? If he wasn’t a number one pick would he even be on this list? Would he be a head of Eovaldi who is younger and better in the same pitching environment?
Josh Lindblom lost a year of development because they guessed wrong in thinking they could make him a starter. Hopefully his arm bounces back and he again puts him self in the mix as a power setup man.
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Good point
Martin probably wouldn’t be in the top 20 if he weren’t a high draft pick. As of now, he and Eovaldi are similar (but Martin still strikes out more).
Unless Martin gets his control in order, he might not ever sniff the majors.
It’ll be interesting to see how Lindblom takes to a reliever-only role. I’m not sure he can make it to the majors, but much like Elbert, maybe focusing on relieving only will help his development.
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by Dustin Nosler on Dec 30, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Seems a very fair assessment of all these guys
both strenghs and weaknesses. This is a group of guys that if all went well with their development have the talent to be a very strong and deep system. If not, still a deep group but as you say many question marks and few bonafide blue chippers (then again not many teams have many "A"s). Some of the guys that rank lower due to where they are in the system could very well shoot up quickly, 2011 is a key year. Sands could sniff the ML in September if not sooner; Robinson may very well sniff it sooner than that. anyway, thanks again.
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Where do you think he would rank if he were still a dodger?
I think even that's generous
He hasn’t done anything in two years and reports are far from positive.
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Maybe
I wouldn’t be surprised if his bat worked well as a bench guy, but I wouldn’t have a problem with a straight C grade.
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On a grading scale of a 1000
I’d give Lambo a 420. :-)
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I am higher on Lee than Taillon
letting me be controversal, Lee this time next year will be a top 5 pitching prospect. Lee has something none of the other pitchers in the system have and that is a major league ready changeup…
+1
Lee is my favorite pitching prospect in the minors actually
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The Zach Lee love is getting out of hand
I’m not even sure what’s propelling his prospect status at this point. His big bonus? He had helium before the draft, but he was still considered more of a back of the first round talent (behind AJ Cole and Stetson Allie). That’s not to say I don’t like him, because I do, but you’re all gassing him up to ridiculous levels.
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Lee
I thought I read he would have been a top 3-5 pitcher taken had he not committed to LSU. He also sounds very advanced and I can see LAD pushing him like they did Kershaw.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 1, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure where that's coming from
He’s polished for a two-sport pitcher. He has a lot of things going for him: low 90s fastball with projection for more; promising slider and change-up; easy delivery. It just seems like there’s a bit of revisionism going on here. The pre-draft rankings were (which were based off of talent alone):
BA (5-25-10): #29
PGCC (6-7-10): #38
Andy Seiler (5-31-10): #29
Diamond Scape Scouting (6-2-10): #36
Keith Law (6-2-10): #76
He did have some late helium, but I think the fact that he was considered LSU bound is altering opinions a bit on him.
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I liked him a bit more than the consensus, but more for floor than ceiling
I don’t think he’s quite as projectable as you’d think, and his fastball probably ends up as average. His secondaries are nice, but the command might take some time to get up to full speed. The real intrigue with him is that a switch to focusing on baseball could help him to develop excellent command and maybe a slight bump in velocity, which would make him a potential No. 2 starter.
I don’t think he’s quite as projectable as you’d think
Exactly. Agreed on the entire post, including the potential ceiling. Go watch his video. He’s currently maxed out on the velo he’s going to get out of his frame/delivery. Great prospect, but revisionism is the word.
by blackoutyears on Jan 1, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
so a 92-95 fastball isn't enough with a plus change and a plus slider
Taillon may throw harder but I’ve heard it’s a straight 95-97 which can be hit in the higher levels. I’ve seen guys with hard fastballs that don’t move get hit hard. I can see Taillon easily failing to live up to the hype and end up more like a Brett Myers pre 2010…
His slider and change are not plus
Not yet at least, and I certainly don’t think he’s sitting anywhere near 95 (touching perhaps).
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a 92-95 fastball isn't enough with a plus change and a plus slider
Well, it would be if that’s what he threw. A) he doesn’t sit 92-95 (try 89-91, which makes his FB avg at best right now) and B) his slider is not only not plus, but is not currently a solid average pitch.
Taillon’s FB is a little straight, but he already commands it to both sides of the plate when he’s going well, and I expect his command to improve, not worsen. His repertoire is also simply better and deeper than Lee’s at the moment. That may change between now and the mythical day they throw their first major league pitches, but we’re talking about now. I’m not even sure why the two need to be compared outside of their having been drafted the same year.
by blackoutyears on Jan 4, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
pre-draft
assumed he wasn’t signing with LAD…..so those rankings make sense. But I think I read after he signed that had he not committed to LSU, he would have been ranked much higher. Will have to go back and check.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 2, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
One thing with Rubby De La Rosa
to start the season he was split starting with another pitcher in order to keep innings down. As in, one threw 3 innings then the other threw three. So he has been a starter this whole time, he just happened to come out of the pen while piggybacking
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Dec 30, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Down year
It was a down year for this system with Withrow, Miller, and Martin all failing to take a step forward. Gordon was decent, and Sands improved by leaps and bounds, but 2010 has to be considered a step backwards in my opinion.
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 30, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions
Yes, but
some others (Jansen, De La Rosa) moved up, and they seem to have had a pretty strong draft.
by wonderphenom on Dec 30, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
down year
for many guys who had a magnify glass on them, yes. However, great year for Trayvon, De La Rosa, Jansen and Sands, and a good year for Dee because he remained the same although he skipped A+. His SB% stayed the same and his triple slash would be simiiiar if his BABIP was the same. Of course, his BABIP will drop as he climbs up the ladder, but you must dig a little deeper than just the known guys to get a handle on the system
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Dec 31, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Lets see what the experts at BA when the system rankings come out.
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 31, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
Kyle Russell improved a great amount IMO
He struggled badly in his first month in AA, but rebounded very nicely to end the year there. He’s got massive power, he can take walks, he’s an above average corner outfielder from what I’ve heard, he just strikes out of a whole hell of a lot unfortunately. He might be my favorite prospect overall, because if he can end up getting past those strikeouts, he can be very good for this team’s future.
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actually had a pretty bad September, so his AA success was book-ended by struggles. I’m rooting for him, and the power is legit, but is any team going to put up with that strikeout rate from a COF? I’d be more sanguine about his chances if he was younger, but a ~30% whiff rate is foreboding for even the youngest prospects. I could see him squeezing a year or two our of his ability, but I’m not sure it’ll be for the Dodgers.
by blackoutyears on Jan 1, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty good system considering all the young talent in the majors
I love Zach Lee and I remember when he was drafted, everyone was saying the Dodgers can’t afford him and only want to get themselves a comp pick for 2011. Well, then he signed.
My girlfriend went to school with Dee Gordon and besides being a awesome player, he’s an awesome guy. Yeah I didn’t ask about their sexual past but uhhhh rambling, good system guys!
Price, Garza, Shields, Davis, Hellickson is too awesome, Niemann for closer?
Sands!
Sands is a monster. I think a B+ or higher would only be fair.
Unresolved mystery
Something I’ve been wondering for several years: do the Dodgers draft evil people, or do they draft normal people and then turn them evil? Is it a matter of scouting or development?
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Odd System
The Dodgers never fail to have a handful of power arms (and guys past #5 on the list could still jump WAY up if they start applying their tools properly) but on the surface the system looks sort of weak.
Just odd…not sure how you could call a system with 3-4 exciting power arms (from guys who still look like starters) weak but the top 5 isn’t really very exciting, IMO.
they have a bunch of high potential guys
on both sides of the ball. However, what keeps them from being in the top 5 of systems is because how Logan White drafts(he gets younger guys instead of letting them get to college, giving them quick access to professional coaches), they always have high potential guys who need to learn to use their tools. But if just one or two break out, then it is a very scary system because of the depth.
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 1, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Magill
Can someone provide insight on what the conflicting scouting reports say?
I'm not sure on this, but
I thought I saw somebody saying around these parts that he’s an 88-90 guy with a major league average slider that he knows how to use. People who like him more think his slider is better than that. Seems like a possible pen guy to me.
Pretty much
Scouts think his fastball is fringy and his slider is too advanced for the Midwest league, but won’t get him by in the higher levels. Should be an interesting guy to watch though, as he could either be a huge riser or fall of this list altogether.
I figured Garcia would rank higher, at least ahead of Galvez and Baldwin
He finished in the top 10 – 20 in every offensive category in the Pioneer League as an 18 year old. There were only two other guys who weren’t at least 20 years old that had similar seasons. One was Billy Hamilton who will likely be in John’s Top 50 (I’m guessing). The other being Rafael Ortega who also got a C+ so I suppose that is a consistent ranking.

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