Boston Red Sox Organization Discussion
I am now working on the San Diego Padres, to be followed by the Boston Red Sox, then the Houston Astros and Oakland Athletics.
Use this thread to discuss the Red Sox. How much did the trade with the Padres hurt this system, and who do you like as sleepers or overlooked players?
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System is very weak
at the top, but the depth is still pretty solid. Some of my favorite sleepers are Alex Hassan, Henry Ramos, and Xander Boegarts. They had an absurd draft and are in position to have another one next year with the 19th pick and potentially another first rounder depending on where Beltre goes.
Brandon Jacobs of Lowell > Brandon Jacobs of NYG
'11 Draft
Even if Beltre only nets them a second-rounder, they’ll have 6 of the first 85 or so picks, including 4 picks before the 2nd round. That’s assuming Felipe Lopez signs somewhere eventually, which one imagines he will.
by abbreviatedman on Dec 22, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Lavarnway
Would love to hear your thoughts on this kid. His bat will definitely play, but as a life long Red Sox fan, I am hoping that his defensive abilities behind the plate continue to progress. He is a very intelligent young man and hopefully can become the future backstop which has been a weakness within the organization for years
I love Lavarnway.
Should be in the conversation for the top 5 catching prospects in baseball. Power and plate discipline — love it.
by istealllamas on Dec 23, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
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Tough sell for top 5…just coming to mind off the top of my mind:
-Montero and Sanchez from NYY
-Mesoraco and Grandal from Cin
-Norris from Was
-Myers from KC
That’s a for sure 6, not to mention all 3 Tor catchers and Rosario from Col. I like Lavarnway, but even I couldn’t imagine putting him anywhere near top 10, but we’ll see what John thinks.
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by Blacksox2010 on Dec 23, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, not even close to top 5 catching prospects
I’d even take complete gambles like Luke Bailey over him.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Wilin Rosario?
has GOT to be up there.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Dec 23, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
If he could catch a little bit
I’d be close to agreeing but numerous sources (Law, Callis, SP guys) say he just isn’t a catcher
Brandon Jacobs of Lowell > Brandon Jacobs of NYG
Neither are several of the guys on the list above…
by realitypolice on Dec 23, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Hoping....
He didn’t start catching until late in college – As my post began, I am hoping his glove can make great strides, but I would never call him a top 5 catching prospect. His bat will play but as a Sox fan it would be so much more valuable behind the plate as opposed to DH.
He has the intelligence and work ethic to play the position but either you have the athleticism or not. That I suppose is the question for John. Do you see him having the skillset to be a catcher one day or will he primarily be a DH type? His bat WILL see Fenway
Lavarnway was the 2nd worst defensive catcher i've seen
Guy blocked pitches really bad and is almost at Montero’s level
by Bravesin07 on Dec 23, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Drake Britton
This kid is gonna experience some serious helium in 2011.
by smk1363 on Dec 22, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
love Britton
I honestly think I preferred him to Casey (but probably would’ve ranked Casey higher due to level) and I like Britton more than I like Ranaudo (although Ranaudo’s ceiling is higher).
Westmoreland
I am really interested to see his placement this year. Is he realistically a top 40 guy in the system when the odds are tremendously stacked against him.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 22, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions
Getting ahead of yourself, no?
The last I saw is that the club is hoping he will be able to return to live games at some point… Don’t think you can rank him this year, but boy you’ve got to pull for him. What an amazing thing it would be if he does eventually make it all the way back!
“The goal that Westmoreland and the team defined was for him to return to games. Everyone around Westmoreland is mindful of managing expectations for his recovery, noting that there is no case history to offer a clear view of what might happen going forward. That being the case, it remains premature to try to say when, exactly, Westmoreland will play again.
But, significantly, based on his progress to date, no one has ruled out anything for the young player, who was ranked the No. 1 prospect in the Sox system entering last year before his March surgery. No one can say whether he will be back on the field in the 2011 season; at the same time, no one has dismissed the possibility. In its own right, the fact that so much remains open to Westmoreland gives an indicator of how well his recovery has progressed."
by realitypolice on Dec 23, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how I am getting ahead of myself
I want Westmoreland to make a full recovery but realistically is he a top 35-40 guy right now if he misses two years of development time? That is what makes his placement so hard to judge.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 23, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, misread you.
At first, I read “placement” as in level of competition he’ll be playing against. Since there’s literally no comp for what he’s trying to do, I think whether and where you rank him is entirely a personal preference issue.
by realitypolice on Dec 23, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I could totally see that.
If he makes it back on the field next season, it will be the field good story of the year.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 23, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely a feel-good story...
…and if it’s a field good story as well, we can talk about his prospect ranking.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 23, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Greatest comeback/feel good stories of all time?
If Westy ends up having some sort of MLB career, would it be the greatest feel good story of all time?
What could be better?
Rocky Bleier story is a great story.
Monty Stratton was interesting but did he pitch after he was shot?
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.
Xander Bogaerts
Xander should definitely be in you list. Maybe not top 20 definitely on your radar, Jim Callis said in his chat that he didn’t know about Xander but after talking to people they said that he definitely is a top 30 in the Sox system and after the trade he probably is higher. Soxprospects has a great report on him, one of their guys went down to Intruxs and saw him.
by DominicanDandy on Dec 22, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions
Xander vid
Gotta see the video, in Dutch, of Honkball Aruba, with CGI grasshopper, and a few clips of Xander and his brother before they signed:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/12/22/1891922/boston-red-sox-organization-discussion#comments
Manuel Rivera?
Kinda like the lil’ lefty. Mediocre ERA for Greenville, but excellent control, respectable K’s, and a four-year track record of both success & good health. Anyone seen Rivera pitch?
Also, why is Britton continuing to average 3 1/2 innings per start? (75 IP in 21 outings last year.) I’ve heard of conservative workloads, but that’s reeeeeal safe. Fifty-inning limit all season?
He was coming TJS
His workload was REALLY cut down at the beginning of the year but as it progressed they stretched him to 5 innings a start. One would think that next year the reins will be off
Brandon Jacobs of Lowell > Brandon Jacobs of NYG
pretty much all the “high ceiling” guys are in high a-salem or lower, exept for lavarnway, iglesias, middlebrooks and lin (who are in aa portland), the only guys who might help in boston this year are weiland as a reliever and kalish.
salems rotation is stacked: raunaudo, workman, britton, balcom-miller and volz.
i’m looking forward to a see a full season of iglesias and see what his bat can do.
i think lin is still underrated, he will probably never hit for much power (although there might be a bit more than his .08x iso), but his bb% went up every year and his k% went down every year, that is one consistent prospect, plus his defense is said to be top notch.
and then there is lars…i still dont know what to make of him, lets see what this season brings
same goes for reddick though his flameout potential is much higher
navarro could be interesting, from hat i have season in the majors his defense seems pretty good and he did hit well in aaa
An Average System Through 10 or 20 ...
After which it becomes preposterously, insanely, mind-bogglingly deep. There are 60 guys that I believe would ordinarily be certain to make John’s book, another 30 that he could include easily, and another 30 that he might write up as bones to throw to the fans of a weak system. I don’t think anyone really knows how to rank a system like that. I’ll probably be posting a depth chart at SoSH in the next few days.
Three super-sleepers:
Pete Ruiz. 6-3 high school 1B who started pitching at age 20 in CC and was drafted in the 10th round in ’08, he did nothing in the system through July 1 of this year, when he had a 5.76 ERA and .336 / .376 / .533 allowed for Greenville. In his last 11 starts he fanned 62 and walked 7 in 65.1, had a 2.14 Component ERA, and held opponents to .223 / .251 / .331, which according to my translations meant he was outpitching everyone at AA. His last 7 starts were 44 K, 2 BB (yes, 2) in 41 IP. He reportedly developed a hammer curve to go with the unreal command. He had a 5.21 BB/9 in college, so the lack of experience compared to other prospects his age really seems to be the key.
Manny Rivera. His season was a club sandwich: 6 terrific starts, 5 awful ones, then 4 up, 5 down, 6 up. As I argue over at SoSH that kind of pattern (as opposed to one or two good games, one or two bad ones) indicates an upside as good as the good starts, and in those 16 starts he had a 2.34 Component ERA and .210 / .237 / .327 allowed, better translated numbers than Pimentel.
Chih-Hsien Chiang. Got a $375K bonus to sign out of Taiwan 5 years ago and has been promoted very aggressively while being converted from 2B to LF. OPS by months last year at age 22 in AA: 398, 598, 725, 877, 933.
by emvan on Dec 23, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Eric
What kind of velocity does ruiz show? Anything else you can add about the scouting rept?
My ears perk up when I hear of guys newly recruited to pitching who show good feel and tools.
by siddfynch on Dec 24, 2010 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
shocker
fan thinks system is deep.
bet whatever system John does next will also be deemed, “deep” by someone.
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not exactly a fan
(Was a baseball ops consultant for the F.O. 2005-2009). And I’m not just arbitrarily declaring that the system is astoundingly deep. I did a comp between a guy named Carlos Morla a/k/a Denny Tussen who was BA’s #29 prospect in 2004 and Greenville reliever Anatanaer Batista: same age, level, size, similar results; Batista was better with much better command and actually struck out more guys, but Morla threw harder. Good comp. The catch is that in 2010 Batista is something like the #110 prospect in the system.
Unlike Senator Joe McCarthy, I can name names. You want 13 guys who should be starting for high-A Salem? Anthony Ranaudo, Chris Balcom-Miller, Brandon Workman, Drake Britton, Pete Ruiz, Manny Rivera, Caleb Clay, Brock Huntzinger, Yeiper Castillo, Kendal Volz, Tom Ebert, Ryan Pressly, Pedro Perez. Every one of these guys was either a highly regarded amateur who got at least a $225K bonus, or had significant success in low-A (Ruiz and Perez in the second half). When you’ve got a guy (Ebert) who’s 6-6, 240, came out of college at 22 and had a 2.87 ERA, 8.81 K/9 and 2.31 GO/AO in low-A … and he’s 11th on your depth chart for starting in high-A, yeah, I think that’s amazing depth.
Reddick
Reddick still has a chance to be Garret Anderson with better D (his second half at AAA was mazing), but the way to get maximum value out of him was to have traded him to KC before they signed those other non-walker OFers. Still could happen.

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