Colorado Rockies Top 20 Prospects for 2011
Colorado Rockies Top 20 Prospects for 2011
All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don't get too concerned about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get past the Top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize.
Feel free to critique the list, but use logic and reason rather than polemics to do to. The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2011 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!
QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:
Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.
Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.
A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.
Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.
Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.
1) Nolan Arenado, 3B, Grade B+: I don't think he gets quite as much attention as he deserves. Doubles should translate into more homers.
2) Tyler Matzek, LHP, Grade B+: Almost went with a straight B due to command issues, but reports from instructional league are good and the ceiling remains excellent.
3) Chad Bettis, RHP, Grade B: Could be a B+ soon, has the stuff and approach to survive in Colorado.
4) Kyle Parker, OF, Grade B: Power and patience should play well, like Bettis he could get to B+ once we get some pro data.
5) Wilin Rosario, C, Grade B: This assumes that his knee is OK. Strong glove, tapped into his power this year.
6) Juan Nicasio, RHP, Grade B: Will his Cal League performance translate well into Double-A? I think so.
7) Peter Tago, RHP, Grade B: Want to see some pro data, but a very high ceiling.
8) Rex Brothers, LHP, Grade B: A super-LOOGY at worst, a great closer at best if his command sharpens up a bit.
9) Albert Campos, RHP, Grade B-: Want to see at higher levels, but could rank much higher next year.
10) Christian Friedrich, LHP, Grade B-: Borderline C+, I am very concerned that the elbow problem will recur, and reports I got from Texas League sources were very mixed.
11) Charlie Blackmon, OF, Grade C+: I like him a lot and expect he can be a good fourth outfielder with some chance to get beyond that.
12) Chris Nelson, 2B, Grade C+: Has always had the tools, health and inconsistency have held him back.
13) Sam Deduno, RHP, Grade C+: Old for a prospect at 27, but has excellent stuff. Can be a surprise if he throws enough strikes.
14) Casey Weathers, RHP, Grade C+: Overlooked due to Tommy John recovery, but like Deduno he's got great stuff and can succeed if the command comes around.
15) Tim Wheeler, OF, Grade C+: Doesn't look like he'll hit for average, but has other skills.
16) Jordan Pacheco, C, Grade C+: This guy just hits and hits, and his defense is getting better.
17) Rafael Ortega, OF, Grade C+: Great rookie ball numbers, let's see at higher levels.
18) Rob Scahill, RHP, Grade C+: Big-time sleeper, was great in the second half.
19) Eric Stavert, RHP, Grade C+: College pitcher with approach that can work in Colorado.
20) Josh Slaats, RHP, Grade C+: College pitcher with approach that can work in Colorado.
21) Cristhian Adames, SS, Grade C+: Excellent defense and might hit.
OTHERS OF NOTE: Bruce Billings, RHP; Edwar Cabrera, LHP; Jared Clark, 1B; Corey Dickerson (SLEEPER, might get a C+), OF; Parker Frazier, RHP; Hector Gomez, SS; Ethan Hollingsworth, RHP; Kent Matthes, OF; Dan Mayora, INF; Mike McKenry, C; Eliezer Mesa, OF; Wes Musick, LHP; Cory Riordan, RHP; Will Swanner, C.
I was totally unfair when I said this system looked thin. Although all of the top guys have at least one significant question about them (Arenado's defense, Matzek's walks, etc), there is a LOT of good stuff here, and the Grade B and B- guys are all capable of getting better grades once they answer a few more questions.
There seems to be a good balance between hitting and pitching, potential regulars and role players. Some of the Grade Cs are highly interesting as well, particularly Corey Dickerson. I know Swanner hit .303/.321/.632 in the Pioneer League, but I can't get behind the 0/33 BB/K ratio in 76 at-bats.
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Wow on Friedrich. What kind of stuff have you heard?
Numbers weren’t pretty (22% LD rate o.0!), to go along with declining Ks and increasing BBs, but the numbers weren’t absolutely abominable, and with his stuff I still thought he’d be higher than a borderline C+. Did it seem like his stuff had taken a step back or just consistency?
Matzek deserves an A
He was a top 25 prospect before his first taste of pro ball and didnt disappoint.
no
No Grade A with that walk rate, erratic velocity, and mechanical issues.
by John Sickels on Dec 17, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The Matzek I saw in September....
C+/B-. In the first start I saw, he was a solid B, maybe a little more IMO. All of my video is from that first start. I should post some of the 3rd start video I have.
by ScoutingTheSally on Dec 18, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
What?
Outside of Hobgood, he had the most disappointing season among the 1st round HS pitchers.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Don't forget...
…about Eric Arnett.
And while I agree that he had a disappointing season, that was only because people were so high on him in the first place.
by SenorYuletide on Dec 17, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, I was one of them
And I’m still pretty bullish on him, but the loss of stuff really was extremely disappointing. We do have a possible excuse now (the Rockies messing with his mechanics), but it definitely wasn’t a good season for Matzek.
I agree with the straight B, even though I still think he has pure ace upside.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
by Jeff Reese on Dec 17, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Freudian Slip
I personally think the B+ is a bit aggressive given his significant control issues. Wasn’t his velo down considerably too?
No way in the world he gets an A-, let alone an A.
Yep, one of my higher Bs
I still think he has ace upside, but the drastic loss of velocity last year is concerning. Hopefully the reports are true that it was a result of COL tinkering with his mechanics (why in the world they would do that, I haven’t a clue) and he’s back to where he was in HS.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
between the mechanics tinkering and first full pro year of pitching on a 5 day rest schedule I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
I'm not down on him or anything
But the reports that Mike (he touches on it above) started to put forward towards the end of the year were really disappointing. A ‘B’ grade is still pretty damn good, and it’s not like he’s in bad company: Harvey, Ranaudo, Cosart, Vizcaino, Stewart, Colvin, Lyles are all right around the same place on my list.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
I think I side with you, but for different reasons
I’m not so worried about his velocity, as I think that will be there in the end, settling in the low 90s. I am concerned about his control, which is a big deal considering that has been the bane of many a talented southpaw, especially those who attracted notice in the low minors.
The really interesting thing statistically out of Matzek this year is that strikeout rate. It’s not low by any stretch of the imagination, but I’ll admit to expecting a left-handed pitcher at this level with good stuff, such a low number of hits, and that many pitches out of the zone to really rack up the Ks. I wonder just what happened there, whether it was something good/bad with him or the quality of the defense playing behind him.
I’ll probably give the benefit of the doubt for first year and go with grade B. With a player this young, the focus has to be on what he can give you rather than what he can’t.
The control problems were strange too
He was supposed to have advanced mechanics and command.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
I love the Tago grade
But I don’t really get the Bettis grade. That’s awfully strong for someone who hasn’t proven that he can start.
I also disagree with the Rosario grade, but I don’t fault anyone for being cautious with him.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
I agree that Rosario should be higher.
by HeavyHitter on Dec 17, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tago
One of my favorite arms from the 2010 draft. I was chompin at the bit that the Card may snag him in the 1S Rd. I like him to make an impact and rise up the ranks of the minors.
have I apologized for stealing Tago from you in the mock draft?
Truth be told I nearly pulled the trigger on him at 18, but Stetson Allie’s power arm was there and it was too tempting not to take that gamble with so many picks.
If you hadn't have taken him, I'm sure someone else would have in 1S
The wait from 1.02 to 2.52 was excruciating… and then news of Aviles needing TJ surgery comes out 5 minutes after I select him.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Ended up...
working out well for us in the real one. I still like Aviles some though too and it wasn’t a bad pick at the time.
ETHAN MARTIN!!!!
Hector Gomez
What’s the outlook on SS Hector Gomez, will he hit enough to ever make it? The tools and athleticism look to be there, but the performance hasn’t and injuries have hampered him.
Awaiting his arrival in SF: UCD alum Justin Fitzgerald
Teams keep asking for...
Blackmon in trade proposals as at one point the Rangers, Marlins, and Royals were all rumored to want him in potential deals. I really thinks he adds power and he has a great skill set to go a long with his great arm and good glove. I think he’s top 10 at least. Blackmon’s arm might be batter than CarGo’s as well. Expect to see him up with the Rockies in 2011.
i love me some arenado
but wow… was expecting a B-/C+. Reminds me of Vitters… which has me seriously worried. Needs to get that walk rate up.
by another know it all on Dec 17, 2010 7:17 PM EST reply actions
yeah
doesn’t have much projection left… and some scout think he’ll have to move to 1B eventually. But I think the bat is good enough to still be above-average there. Have you seen him in person?
by another know it all on Dec 17, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
expecting a C+?
My memory is a little foggy ATM, but I thought Arenado got a B- last year, hard to believe he would have just held steady off of this season.
He’s at least a B and more if you like him, as John evidently does. Walks aren’t an issue, they were fine last year, and he doesn’t strike out much. All those XBHs suggest that he’s in command at the plate. Defense needs to improve I guess, but show me a player at his age for whom that can’t be said.
okay, my bad then
Still, this was a very good year. It wouldn’t be a shocker to see him improve on his grade again next year. Hoping he’ll get to Tulsa next year.
Any thoughts on a comparable player Kupe or Gatling?
by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don't say this as a comp
but Arenado’s numbers remind me of Ian Stewart’s year in Asheville. Same age, position, organization. The numbers aren’t on par with what Stewart did there obviously, but it looks like Arenado was similarly helped by the friendly home park.. His home/road splits were drastic: .358/.393/.604 at home vs. .258/.278/.435 on the road. Beyond that, the walk rate isn’t great(though for a Low A hitter it’s as important). Reading Mike Newman’s report in the link provided further down the comments here, Arenado’s approach sounds somewhat similar to Josh Vitters(which another know it all mentions above). That’s a bit worrisome.
I don’t see him as B prospect even, so the B+ here by John is pretty surprising. I think we need to see him against better pitching before going to crazy here. If he does have the issues with offspeed stuff that Mike Newman mentions we could see some struggles as moves up the ladder.
http://bullpenbanter.com
That seems harsh to me
Solid B guy with a chance at slotting into my top 100
http://bullpenbanter.com/
He's a B- in my book
I don’t see him sticking at 3B and I don’t know that the bat will be special at 1B.
http://bullpenbanter.com
I can see that argument
Staying at third base seems like it’s going to be an uphill battle for him, but I really like what I’ve read on the bat.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
hmm
I’m obviously not as harsh on him as gatling is. My usual rule with sharp splits is that the player usually isn’t as good as his better split and isn’t as bad as the lesser split would indicate. Teenagers spending their first full season in full season ball are going to have their flaws exposed. He might have issues against off-speed, but he didn’t strike out all that much, which makes me think that it’s not a crippling flaw. He’s going to need to make adjustments no doubt, but again, the focus really needs to be on what the player can do rather than what he can’t do.
Making a comp isn’t easy without seeing the player in person, but optimistically, I see some similarities to the 3B version of Michael Young. Needs to watch that lower half, though.
While the numbers could be somewhat similar....
Michael Young at age 34 6’1 200 is a physical match for Arenado at age 19 6’1 205, which doesn’t bode well for Arenado in the future. Also, I don’t think Arenado is going to grow in height anymore. I predict Arenado weighs around 225/235 range at his peak age which tells me he has no chance or staying at 3B. I think a more likely scenario is that he could end up like Gaby Sanchez.
No.
If they don’t play in the midwest league I’m not usually able to see them. But I have looked at numerous videos and scouting reports and I think he’s going to struggle getting his bat through the zone against legit MLB fastballs. If he moves off third to 1B, I seriously doubt him being a difference maker.
paulsen
Horrible BB/K ratio. But yeah, I should probably put him in.
by John Sickels on Dec 17, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Love Arenado
This kid is going to rake and has the bat to play 1st if need be.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 17, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions
Have you seen him play?
I am curious if you have a first hand scouting report. Scouting the Sally seems to believe that he has a chance to develop his defense to a capable 3B.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Have you seen him play?
Are we really going to play this card? If we are, there’s no point having a discussion. I don’t get to see the Sally League, but I also reject the notion that if I saw him play once or twice I could make a definitive statement on his defensive future. It is impossible for one person to see significant sample of every major prospect so this should never be considered a criteria for solid evaluation around here. Frankly, I find the question offensive, since you’ve already assumed I haven’t seen the player. I do in fact see a lot of baseball each year, including college, minor league and major league. Asking the question “have you seen him play” is nothing other than a thinly veiled attempt to end the discussion by attacking the other poster’s credentials. Its absurd.
In any case, its hardly a contrarian opinion to say Arenado likely ends up at 1B. This seems to be the assumption among most sources and people I’ve talked to. Even Mike’s report was far from glowing:
In game one of the series, Arenado took short, choppy steps to to get to balls and made an error on a routine grounder a step to his left. My initial reaction was to write him off as a third baseman…
Arenado has quite a bit of work to do to project as an average third baseman
http://scoutingthesally.com/?p=1040
I would also point out Arenado had some pretty huge home/road splits, and played in a very hitter friendly home park.
I don’t think he’s a B+ prospect, but I do like the bat a lot. If he stays at 3B (which I consider unlikely but certainly possible) I think he ends up below average there and that hurts his prospect status pretty severely in my eyes. As Mike talks about, Arenado has a very think lower half and that gives me further concern about him slowing down as he gets into his 20’s.
Ummmmm.....relax
I was asking if you have seen him play. Why did you take offense to this? I assume since you have your own prospect blog that you may have actual seen him play and had some insight into his defense for me. I have never seen him play and was just looking at your feedback on the player as I respect your opinion. No need for the attitude.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
Also
I don’t like when people edit quotes like you did. Giving the quote in its entirety reveals the writer’s true feelings:
In game one of the series, Arenado took short, choppy steps to to get to balls and made an error on a routine grounder a step to his left. My initial reaction was to write him off as a third baseman, but he proceeded to play flawless defense showing the ability to react to hard hit balls, charge slow rollers, with an average, accurate throwing arm. Arenado has quite a bit of work to do to project as an average third baseman, but he has time, and makeup on his side.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Kinda misleading when you leave out the part lauding his flawless defense from that point forward…
by oriolenation on Dec 18, 2010 3:46 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think that's at all different than you summing up that article thusly:
Scouting the Sally seems to believe that he has a chance to develop his defense to a capable 3B.
The point of those quotes was to highlight that Mike did NOT have all that rosy a view of Arenado’s defense. You had already mentioned the positive parts.
Arenado's defense
Figured I would chime in…
Since my quotes are already here, let me share a little of what scouts have told me. There’s basically a split between no way Arenado stays at 3B and Kevin Kouzmanoff did, so why can’t he? one thing I’m pretty certain of is that Arenado is going to max out the tools he has.
by ScoutingTheSally on Dec 18, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
There is a difference
I stated that STS believes he has a ‘chance to develop his defense to a capable 3B.’ STS does believe this and my statement was hardly a ringing endorsement as I said ‘chance’ and ‘capable 3B’. You intentionally left out key parts of the excerpt in an effort to support your own argument, by changing the context in which those statements were given. That is irresponsible journalism, typically used by Fox News, and I must say I am surprised you resorted to those tactics.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
LOL, no need to be pissy
I can assure you I didn’t apologize as I wasn’t the one who overreacted, made a personal attack, and then used partial quotes to support my argument. For a budding baseball journalist who runs a respected blog you should know better.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Although I am flattered you like to steal my apology accepted material
;)
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I shouldn't be surprised you misquoted me
You tend to do this on a regular basis. HAHAHAHAHA.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Grow up.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html
"irresponsible journalism, typically used by Fox News"
KBR, I love u man, but c’mon now.
I think you’re referring to CNN & NBC
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Dec 20, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Haha
I think I will start referring to Alskors as Ann Coulter from now on!!!!!!
by King Billy Royal on Dec 20, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Rox System
Quite a few very intriguing arms lead by Matzek, Friederich, Tago and Brothers. The X Factor of the system is Parker IMO. He has the potential to be a star but also is not a sure thing. If he disappoints the hitters in this system will looks subpar as a group. To me the only hitter in the system that has upper tier talent. Overall this is a high risk/high reward system. Plenty of guys with question marks but plenty of talent.
Is anyone in the scouting community
actually worried about Matzek in the long run beyond injury? Guy just seems like an awesome pitcher. If you check out his windup it’s like he’s trying to channel some Cliff Lee.
It’s most visible in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIhU4X9SYIs&feature=related
He stays taller in his delivery than he did in HS, and you can see the checkpoints he’s very conscious of getting to his in his delivery.
All this guy has to do is stay healthy and keep working.
Yes, Matzek has worried some....
Whispers about makeup issues are floating out there. He has gone from top flight prospect to a bit of a wild card in the eyes of a lot of people I speak to.
by ScoutingTheSally on Dec 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I watched some other video after Mike's
and you see the same thing: clean delivery, good tempo, low effort, durable build. There are questions marks, but as raw LHP prospects go this is how you draw them up physically.
by blackoutyears on Dec 19, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I have to admit...
I think Rosario is an underrated prospect. You have a catcher 21 y/o catcher in Double-A who posts an .894 OPS with plus raw power and improving plate discipline, who is no danger of having to move off the position and who threw out 40% of all runners last year. There isn’t much not to like.
by Alex Eisenberg on Dec 17, 2010 11:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+ a lot
This is the first grade I’ve had a strong disagreement with, especially John’s mini-writeup. If he recovers well, which reports I’ve seen have suggested he’s doing, he’s an A- between his offensive and defensive skills. I’d take him easily over a guy bound for 1B and a pitcher that we don’t know will be able to control his stuff.
If everybody likes you, then either no one knows anything about you, or you're dead.
Fantasy Prospect Central: http://fantasyprospectcentral.blogspot.com/
The only thing that makes me hesitate to be all in on Rosario
is the numbers Iannetta was putting up in these parks, I want to believe he is an A/A- but need to see him keep it up over a few years
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I think Ianneta is actually a very good player who has been jerked around too much.
I wouldn’t think of him as a failed prospect or anything.
I really hope they let him get into a groove this year
but I somehow doubt he ever matches his .336/.433/.564 from AA/AAA as a 23 year old
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Iannetta was older
Iannetta was playing in the Texas League at age 23; Rosario hit at that level at 21.
True, and for that reason I am not completely skeptical
lets call it cautiously optimistic
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I'm not sure I feel quite that strongly, but that's the general feeling I have as well.
Plus offensive catcher. Plus defensive catcher. Take him before Arenato by a lot.
Not too bad
I would move Rosario up to a B+, move Ortega up quite a bit, and drop Nicasio down some. Otherwise, it’s solid.
A note, a lot of these guys are just getting going. If things go well, a lot of them will be bumped up next year. There is potential for some A’s to come out of that group.
yeah Chacin was a C+ at Matzeks age this is a pretty young group to put too much
weight on performance
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