BA LAA TOP 10
by rdf8585 on Nov 29, 2010 11:51 AM EST
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TOP TEN PROSPECTS
1. Mike Trout, of
2. Tyler Chatwood, rhp
3. Jean Segura, 2b
4. Hank Conger, c
5. Jordan Walden, rhp
6. Kaleb Cowart, 3b
7. Garrett Richards, rhp
8. Fabio Martinez, rhp
9. Mark Trumbo, 1b/of
10. Cam Bedrosian, rhp
BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average Mike Trout
Best Power Hitter Mark Trumbo
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Hank Conger
Fastest Baserunner Mike Trout
Best Athlete Mike Trout
Best Fastball Jordan Walden
Best Curveball Tyler Chatwood
Best Slider Fabio Martinez
Best Changeup Trevor Reckling
Best Control Tim Kiely
Best Defensive Catcher Alberto Rosario
Best Defensive Infielder Andrew Romine
Best Infield Arm Kaleb Corwart
Best Defensive Outfielder Mike Trout
Best Outfield Arm Angel Castillo
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Trout is the Man
Trout didn’t get Best Strike-Zone Discipline too?
Conger I think has just a bit better strike zone discipline
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by mathisrocks5 on Nov 29, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
not sure I buy that
I dont think Congers discipline holds up as well in higher levels. Also guys with good discipline with great averages are quite rare. It’s much more rare to be able to be agressive and maintain plate zone discipline.
Huh?
Conger has improved his walk rate the last two years while lowering his K rate. He did this in AA in 2009 and improved on those numbers in AAA in 2010. I’m really not sure how you can say his discipline doesn’t hold up as well in the upper levels.
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I should have been more specific
Congers numbers in AAA should be taken with a grain of salt as the PCL has inflated walk numbers. He did very well in AA though. I just suspect his discipline will be solid but not spectacular in the majors.
With Trout I’m amazed at his discipline with a very high batting average. This is more rare IMO. For me plate discipline is about more than just walks and ks. Someone that uses it to get into hitters counts and uses it to get into positions to hit for power is what I consider great plate discipline. Walks on their own are great, but getting walks and also using it to help your hit tool and power is more impressive.
Does it suppress K rate too though?
If not, I’m not sure I’d strictly chalk Conger’s improved discipline in AAA to the PCL environment. I mean, he nearly walked as much as he K’d as a 22 year old catcher in AAA. I’m fairly impressed with that.
As for Trout…I’m in the minority on him and I’m ok with that. I’m not really sure that Conger doesn’t do those same things you mention for Trout though. Conger hits for a good average and has at least solid power(with potential for more, IMO). I don’t have it on my DVR any longer, but I want to say Conger showed exactly what you talk about in the AB where he hit his big HR in the Future’s game. I could be off on that though, it’s been a few months since I watched it.
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Definitely wouldn't say it's all the PCL
He did it in AA as well. I like his approach just prefer Trouts more.
And no, I don’t think PCL limits ks. Obviously he has improved his approach a lot.
Chatwood #2
I don’t know much about him, but 2 seems pretty high. BA says he has the best curveball in the organization.
Anybody have any scouting reports on him?
I have read this from PP:
http://projectprospect.com/article/2010/10/26/tyler-chatwood-scouting-report
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That PP report
seems spot on from everything else I’ve read and what video I’ve been able to find. My chief concern this year was the drastic drop in strikeout rate after his promotion, and I’m interested to see if any scouts commented on it. You have to wonder if the size issue is manifested in the velo drop Adam observed, which is concerning but not dire as he went from a plus FB to a merely average one. He’s got three good pitches working, which is highly promising, and PP isn’t the only outlet I’ve seen praising him. #2 might be high I suppose, but I think you could argue that he’s the top pitching prospect in the org, so maybe not.
A tough year for Reckling gets tougher as he drops right off their list. I’m more impressed with what I’ve seen from Chatwood than I was in my Reckling looks, but considering Reckling also had some red flags following promotion to Double-A as a 20-year-old, LAA’s handling of Chatwood in 2011 will be something worth monitoring.
by blackoutyears on Nov 29, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely not what my list looks like
9 out of the 10 are the same, they’re just in a different order. I’m not surprised that they’re that low on Cowart. BA always preferred him as a pitcher, whereas I’m much more bullish on him a third baseman.
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I think...
they probably have everyone after Trout grouped semi-close together…maybe all outside the top 100?
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 29, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Grichuk's still in my top 10
He destroyed the ball after coming back from injury. If he can real in his plate discipline a little, he got the potential to be the second best hitter to come from this group after Trout.
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Not sure I agree
Always had questions about his bat and I’m down on his glove. Lot of guys I like more right now.
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at the rate fabio is walking guys...
looks like he’s heading to the bullpen just like Walden did. I don’t believe that he’s a top ten prospect though.
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 29, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Fabio got pretty mixed reviews this year.
by blackoutyears on Nov 29, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just not a big Chatwood fan. That K rate in AA is not good. Seems much more like a #4 starter or solid middle reliever than a front-end guy (BA’s scouting report was pimping him as such).
That K rate in AA is not good
That’s the big red flag for me too, but for some reason it isn’t as concerning for BA. We’ll see. The stuff and ground ball ability are promising, and he’s young, so he’s a big follow next year.
by blackoutyears on Nov 29, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
BA's enthusiasm re Chatwood
… picked up discernibly after they polled minor league managers about each league’s best tools midseason. I think baseball people in the Cal League really raved about him, leading to his placement here. He sat in the mid 90’s all year, and hit 98 multiple times in several games. Combine that with a plus curveball and improvements in command (over last year), and there’s a lot to like with him.
The strikeout rate in AA wasn’t good, but it correlates with reports that the Angels were encouraging him to get more comfortable pitching to contact, in the hope that his efficiency would improve. There were a couple of articles detailing the Angels’ “three pitch, one out” mantra.
Not sure I buy it, but I think it may offer a partial explanation. Chatwood was also throwing his less refined change-up much more often in AA, to the detriment of his breaking ball, so that likely impacted the numbers some as well.
Thanks, rghan
It’s such a tremendous rate drop that you have to wonder, but your theory makes as much sense as anything else I’ve heard. I’m prone to suspend judgment on players who are reportedly working on their less-developed pitches.
by blackoutyears on Nov 29, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Bedrosian shouldnt be Top 10
I like Grichuk, he should be Top 10, Cowart seems right where I would put him for this coming year, I like Chatwood, did well in AA as a 20 year old. Half year at AA and AAA next year if he does well I would think
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Chatwood...
I watched one of his Double-A starts and tracked his pitches, and while I like him, I’m not nearly as high on him as BA seems to be…I actually plan to have an article on him up in a couple of days, but here is a little of what I tracked…
74 fastballs
54 strikes (which is very good)
3 swinging strikes (not so good)
19 curveballs
0 swinging strikes
He threw a very limited number of change-ups, none of which were that impressive.
Of the 99 pitches he threw, just four resulted in a swing-and-miss. That said, it’s clear his fastball was tailored to generate ground balls. But when he needed to finish off hitters, he struggled to do so.
Of course, this was just one start, and maybe he wasn’t at his best.
Well
That certainly doesn’t tie in with any idea that working on the change was hurting him, at least not in this start. Aside from the lack of swinging strikes what were your impressions of the FB and curve (velo, movement, etc.), Alex? Also, roughly when did your viewing take place?
by blackoutyears on Nov 30, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
re:
This was his August 22nd start against Corpus Christi…I just published the article (which I link to below) and the video is there to see.
It’s behind a membership wall, but it’s still free to read. Cancel the membership within a month and you won’t be charged.
As for my impressions, I liked his fastball…he kept it down for the most part, much more suited for ground balls. Against JD Martinez, Corpus Christi’s only legit hitting prospect, Chatwood struggled to finish him off after getting ahead 1-2…Martinez just fouled off fastball after fastball until he was able to work the walk.
The curveball is also a good pitch, but not outstanding…I’ve seen better from Chatwood. It did flash plus, but it was inconsistent…he bounced it in the dirt a little too much.
Radar gun wasn’t present, so I have to just assume Chatwood’s velocity matched up with what’s been reported. Curveball was not a big breaker…more of a power curve with a sharp break.
by Alex Eisenberg on Dec 1, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
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