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Toronto Blue Jays Top 20 Prospects for 2011

Kyle Drabek of the Toronto Blue Jays throws agianst the New York Yankees during an MLB game at the Rogers Centre September 28 2010 in Toronto Ontario Canada. (Photo by Abelimages/Getty Images)

Toronto Blue Jays Top 20 Prospects for 2011

UPDATED January 9, 2011

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QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.

A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.

Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.

Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.

Toronto Blue Jays Top 20 Prospects for 2011

1) Kyle Drabek, RHP, Grade A-: Borderline B+. Looks like he's going to be a workhorse and possibly more.

2) Brett Lawrie, 2B, Grade B+: I have liked him as a hitter since he was in high school. I still see him as more of a right fielder than a second baseman, but if he can manage to stick there he could be a Jeff Kent type.

3) Deck McGuire, RHP, Grade B+: I don't expect that he'll need a lot of minor league time. Number three starter type at worst and could be more.

4) Zach Stewart, RHP, Grade B+: His stock has dropped a little, but I still like him. If he can't cut it as a starter he can close.

5) Asher Wojciechowski, RHP, Grade B: You can make a case for B+, but I want to see some additional pro data. I like him a lot, and this is another guy who should be a solid starter at worst.

6) Carlos Perez, C, Grade B: I like the balance of offensive and defensive skills. Very young, will have to avoid Young Catcher Stagnation Syndrome. Grade is aggressive.

7) Aaron Sanchez, RHP, Grade B: Aggressive grade for a high school arm, but I really like his projectability and his stuff is already strong. Also has high-K, high-ground ball profile in the early data.

8) J.P. Arencibia, C, Grade B-. Power is genuine, but I don't buy a high batting average or OBP. Grade changed from B to B- at press time.

9) Travis D'Arnaud, C, Grade B-: Strong glove, but I think people are overrating his bat. Young enough to improve that.

10) Anthony Gose, OF, Grade B-: I realize other people will think this is too low. I respect his athleticism and potential, but the risk of failure is high enough for me to be a little wary.

11) Eric Thames, OF, Grade B-: I believe in his power.

12) Noah Syndergaard, RHP, Grade B-: Another high school power arm that I like a lot.

13) Dickie Joe Thon, SS, Grade B-: Speculative grade based on tools and scouting reports. Could be much higher (or lower) next year.

14) Kellen Sweeney, 3B, Grade B-: Good plate discipline and I think he sticks at third. Power??

15) Griffin Murphy, LHP, Grade B-: Solid high school lefty from the 2010 draft.

16) Jake Marisnick, OF, Grade C+: Others will rank him higher due to his excellent tools, but I don't buy into the bat yet.

17) Chad Jenkins, RHP, Grade C+: Looks like a workhorse strike-thrower, will need to step forward in '11 to avoid getting buried by influx of new arms.

18) Adeiny Hechavarria, SS, Grade C+: Like the glove. The bat...well, I'll wait and see on that.

19) Marcus Knecht, OF, Grade C+: Good balance of tools, skills may need some time but I like his power.

20) Henderson Alvarez, RHP, Grade C+: Like Jenkins, a guy who throws strikes but needs a good year to stay in the picture.

21) Drew Hutchison, RHP, Grade C+: Overlooked strike-thrower from 2009 draft.

22) Joel Carreno, RHP, Grade C+: Excellent K/IP and K/BB in the Florida State League, older for the level but just added to 40-man.

23) Alan Farina, RHP, Grade C+: Intriguing relief sleeper to watch.

24) Justin Nicolino, LHP, Grade C+: Yet another arm from the 2010 draft.

OTHERS: Kevin Ahrens, 3B; Adonis Cardona, RHP; David Cooper, 1B; Sam Dyson, RHP; Brad Emaus, INF; Christopher Hawkins, 3B; K.C. Hobson, 1B; Brian Jeroloman, C; A.J. Jimenez, C; Darin Mastroianni, OF; Mike McDade, 1B; Brad Mills, LHP; Gustavo Pierre, SS; Moises Sierra, OF; Mitchell Taylor, LHP; Daniel Webb, RHP.


The huge influx of talent from the 2010 draft is immediately felt here. Grading some of these guys is tough given the limited professional data available, but I tried to find a balance. The collection of pitching is especially impressive, though keep in mind that injury attrition will eventually take a toll. There is also depth in catching.

They could use a few more impact bats. I'm a big fan of Thames. Tools outfielders Gose, Marisnick, and Knecht are all interesting for different reasons. Gose has the highest upside but also has a high risk of failure. I have similar qualms about Marisnick, but both are young enough to prove the doubts misplaced. Cuban shortstop import Hechavarria is similar; he could be good and can field, but has a long way to go with the bat.

This system could look even better a year from now as we get a better read on the '10 draft class and the mass of B-/C+ types. If the tools guys can learn to hit, look out.

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David Cooper

At this point, is he officially a bust? Getting an “others” tab after two full years of pro ball for a college hitter (supposed polished on being drafted) seems akin to awaking with a horse’s head, metaphorically speaking.

by Johnny Tuttle on Nov 22, 2010 7:33 AM EST reply actions  

In the process of busting

Cooper’s two full years have been stagnant. He has not yet legitimately graduated from AA. His OPS has gone from 729 to 769. He is very much a ‘bat-only’ prospect, and a bat that can’t OPS 800 in AA, isn’t much of a prospect. He’ll be 24 before next season starts, and if he doesn’t figure things out this year, he’s fully toast.

by ofsticksandbats on Nov 22, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

not entierly true

“Cooper’s two full years have been stagnant.”

In fact, in 2010, in 220 AB after July 1, his slash lines look like this:

.309/.387/.505/.892

No idea if he figured out some mechanical adjustment or something, but his AA OPS previous to that had been .725 so there might well be something afoot.

by TamRa on Nov 23, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d be happy to be proven wrong, but after so much mediocracy, I won’t get too excited by success over a small sample.

by ofsticksandbats on Nov 23, 2010 7:24 AM EST up reply actions  

half a season

is FAR from conclusive but it’s somewhat more than “small” too. That’s enough work (over 200 AB) to be more than a hot streak.

by TamRa on Nov 27, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Kellen Sweeney

A B- is strange to me. I was suprised with your whole 11-14 bunch as it seems unlike you to rate prospects like that who have no experience so high. I would have Marisnick and Jenkins ahead of them, but thats just me. Will be interesting to follow this last draft class as they seem to be regarded fairly highly

by JJACK on Nov 22, 2010 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

yeah

yeah that might be a notch too high on sweeney. remember this is all preliminary

by John Sickels on Nov 22, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

crouse

Cut for space reasons. Would get a Grade C due to tools but weak performance at Lansing.

by John Sickels on Nov 22, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Jimenez

…made a lot of progress at age 20 in the Midwest League. Very good arm (threw out over 50% of runners) and presence on the field. Hit .300 and made good progress on strike zone control. Some pop and good speed for a catcher. I make him a B- prospect, and like him better than quite a few of the pitchers here. It wouldn’t shock me at all if he’s the Jays starting catcher in 2014, ahead of Arencibia, Perez and D’Arnaud. The latter two have a balance of skills which make a position change quite possible.

by Mike Green on Nov 22, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

YES

I think Jimenez breaks out big-time next year. If the Jays are in on Upton, I totally don’t mind using d’Arnaud as a centre-piece. Arencibia in the bigs, Jeroloman at AAA, d’Arnaud in AA, Jimenez at High A and Perez at Low A. That’s good, young depth.

by ofsticksandbats on Nov 22, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

not being clear

I didn’t mean as THE centre-piece. But as a key piece.

by ofsticksandbats on Nov 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

alright, fair enough.

but a package for Upton from the Jays is gonna have to be really huge, and I don’t really see it happening given the current state of the team. If they really believe that they were a superstar away from challenging NYY/BOS/TB then it could happen, but I believe they are a bit further away from taking down those top 3 teams, even with the Yankees getting old and the Red Sox not being so great last season.

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by gore51 on Nov 22, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I understand

It isn’t like they would be getting Upton for only one year. The Jays may not be able to contend in 2011 but I think they have a great shot in 2012-13.

by King Billy Royal on Nov 22, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

true, and I guess that would be a viable way of looking at it

I would feel as though they’d be more likely to make the move then though than right now, because a lot can change in 1 year. Who knows, I’m no GM so I don’t really know their thought processing, but I’d figure that there would be a better chance of the Jays trading for a big named superstar next offseason than this one. But maybe they pull the trigger now if they feel there won’t be anybody near Upton’s value available at this time next season.

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by gore51 on Nov 22, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Adam Loewen?

John, where would you rate reclamation project Adam Loewen?

I see that BlueBirdBanter has just ranked him as the Jays’ #31 prospect, but he hasn’t cracked your top 40. I like him, but I wonder if his potential feel-good story might not be over-inflating his value at this point.

by jabalong on Nov 22, 2010 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Isn’t he eligible for the Rule 5? The Jays can’t be too high on him if they aren’t protecting him.

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by Fla-Giant on Nov 22, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, a claim would be highly unlikely because the team would have to keep him on the MLB roster for the entire year. He’s only been hitting for two years and he’s not ready yet to hit MLB pitching. He’s not young (except at hitting), so missing most of the year sitting on the bench would be disastrous for his development.

Additionally, I think because of his prior service time, the Jays can’t put him on their 40 man roster without subjecting him to a waivers if they send him to the minors, which is where he needs to go for 2011. So yes, they risk losing via Rule 5, but it’s an unlikely event, but they avoid losing him via a waivers claim..

by siggian on Nov 22, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone know where there’s a list of potential Rule 5 guys ? I thought the cut off was comming up pretty soon for teams to add these guys to the 40 man.

by Brando159 on Nov 22, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

loewen

i dunno…should I write him up?

by John Sickels on Nov 22, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Based on AFL performance

he could be interesting. His regular season was just so-so.

by TCapone30 on Nov 22, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really

I mean, if he pans out, that’s nice. But the odds are pretty stacked. He’s not quite a Rick Ankiel.

by ofsticksandbats on Nov 22, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't.

27 year old who hit .246/.351/.412 at AA? If he had never previously appeared in the majors he would never have been considered. Nor would he be getting attention from Jays fans (& it helps he’s Canadian, too). Also a huge kid playing a corner OF spot…

by alskor on Nov 22, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

26 year old with less than 1000 pro PA though?

Struck out less and showed more power while transitioning to AA? It certainly makes him seem interesting IMO. If he keeps improving next year he could very well end up back in the majors in 2012.

by nixa37 on Nov 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not the age

it’s the history. As a hitter, he’s got only a couple of years experience.

by TamRa on Nov 23, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I would rather read a write up on Gose

I loved your grade here. He could become a star in MLB or never make it past the minors. I would love your take on his skill set and likelihood of reaching his potential.

by King Billy Royal on Nov 22, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Lemme write it for you

“Great tools, but I want to see how he adapts to AA pitching before getting to aggressive with my grade, as I’ve seen too many prospects with glowing scouting reports flame out once they begin facing more advanced pitching. Exciting player, but we need more data. Which reminds: Is anyone else disappointed in the lack of roles given to Brent Spiner since the end of Star Trek: The New Generation?”

by gogotabata on Nov 22, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Given how unique a case he is (age vs. experience as a hitter) i think he’d make an interesting subject even if he’s not regarded as a “prospect” in the traditional sense.

by TamRa on Nov 27, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty Deep system

Seems like they have a pretty deep system. There are a lot of at least B- rankings. Good for Toronto!! I’m rooting for them in the AL East

by srbaseball2003 on Nov 22, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

System

This system got deep VERY quickly. I really like what the Jays are doing and if they continue down this road the next few years they could have a Top 3 system. Sign me up for believing all the hype and then some on Aaron Sanchez. Kid is going to be special IMO.

by JDizzidy on Jan 10, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Question for John

As has been mentioned, this has quickly turned into quite the deep system. I’m just wondering how you think the system would look if there was a major trade, ie. acquiring Justin Upton. I’ve got no clue what the Diamondbacks are looking for, but let’s say the prospects involved were one of the top pitchers (Drabek or Stewart), one of the catchers (Perez, Arencibia or d’Arnaud) and one of the outfielders (Thames, Gose or Marisnick). Is the system deep enough to look good even after that amount of talent outfow, in your opinion?

by doron on Nov 22, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

To me,

that sounds like not near enough for Upton.

by chuckb on Nov 22, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

it would probably take both Stewart and Drabek

and I thought I heard the d-backs were looking for 5 players for him.

by pack_fan on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Good work John. I like the Blue Jays current mix and think they’re really headed in the right direction with their farm system.

That being said, I was surprised by this on Deck McGuire:

Number three starter type at worst and could be more.

I don’t disagree with you on his letter grade, but to say that he’ll be “at worst” a #3 starter is just way too optimistic in my book. Maybe I’m mis-reading your intent, but I read that to mean that his floor is a #3 starter. I saw him pitch several times in college this past season, and I would say that his ceiling is a #2/#3 starter, while his floor is a spot starter/long reliever. I wouldn’t move off that until he puts in a full season of pro ball.

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by Fla-Giant on Nov 22, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, you're misreading

Barely any prospect, if any at all, has a floor of a #3 starter.

by nivarsity on Nov 22, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Huge improvement in this system

I guess it’s a combination of a bunch of high draft picks and some trades, but there’s been a lot of talent added in the last year here.

by acerimusdux on Nov 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

What's crazy is that...

Only THREE of the top 15 in there were in the system before the trade deadline in 2009. Adding in Zack Stewart, only 4 of the top 15 were there when Anthopoulos took over from Ricciardi after the 2009 season.

by doron on Nov 22, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I can understand the Marisnick grade although I disagree but Hecheverria as a C+ is confusing for me, held his own offense wise in his first year at Double A at 21 years old and has plus defense at short. I think that’s definitely a B-

by The_Bunk on Nov 22, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Good strong grade on McGuire...

Strikes me as the RH Mike Minor of the ’09 draft.

by SenorGato on Nov 22, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

I think the projectability of college pitchers has become an underrated...

thing.

Also, lets face it, unless you have a 97 MPH fastball the fact that it exists doesn’t really matter to the individual pitcher.

Both are skilled college pitchers with tall, loose frames that with some good training might boost their reported college velocity. Either way, they have developed secondary stuff and “know how to pitch” as they say and it puts them ahead of alot of guys.

by SenorGato on Jan 10, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Drabek's Grade Makes Me Happy

May be one of my favorite prospects out there. I still see him looking like Oswalt.

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by Lionsroar10 on Nov 22, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

I like these ratings, only I would put Nicolino above Farina and Alvarez above Jenkins.

by Woodman663 on Nov 22, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Drabeks grade is good

Though it would make me feel a lot better once I start seeing him locating his curve for strikes instead of just using it as a chase pitch. With Dyson having TJ I really don’t see how he can be in the top 40 since he hasn’t pitched significantly and wont for another year now. Wish we took Cechini instead of him. Im disapointed in Jenkins too I was a big fan of that pick back then.

by Brando159 on Nov 22, 2010 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

Very intriguing system

I’m really high on Griffin Murphy.

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by tj.hendricks on Nov 22, 2010 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

Saw him a few times in HS

one of the more polished high school pitchers I saw. Knows how to pitch, uses all his pitches, not your typical top end HS kid that blows the fastball by everyone.

by SoCalSoxFan on Jan 10, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the deal with Brad Emaus?

He has shown the ability to command the strike zone and makes contact often. He won’t hit for power but as either a 3b or a 2b it isn’t completely necessary. Is he defense really bad or something? Because to me he looks like a guy who could easily post 3 WAR per year.

by Nnamdi Asomugha on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

personally, I think the grade on Marisnick might be a little low

If he had played all year in the GCL with his line there, we’d all be drooling over this kid right now. If he had just been sent to short season ball (an appropriate assignment for a player of his age and experience), he still would have put up a good line. I’m impressed by his strong finish to end the year.

Basically, I think he might be getting dinged here for an aggressive assignment. A potential Seven Skill player at age 19 hitting .287/.373/.459 in his pro debut would seem worthy of at least slightly higher praise.

by mrkupe on Nov 23, 2010 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

+1

That’s probably the only quibble I have with the list. I might flip a couple of guys here and there, but that isn’t a big deal at all.

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by gatling on Nov 23, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

and as mrkupe alluded to, he did finish the MWL season quite hot.

by ayjackson on Nov 25, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

if Thon is a B-, then Marisnick (with similar defensive value and good offensive tools) is surely a B-

also, I’d rate Thames a straight B if i wasn’t worried about his defense (I’m not, and John doesn’t seem to be)

by TamRa on Nov 27, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Lawrie's B+

based on the fact that you don’t see him as a 2B?

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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Jan 9, 2011 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Okay, why is it...

That Brett Lawrie gets SO MUCH love despite a complete indifference in his defensive development, a stocky build, and a career minor league line of .280/.343/.445 versus a guy like – I don’t know – Jaff Decker who will likely play the same position (LF) but who has hit MUCH better in the minors (.290/.435/.510)?

I’ll give Lawrie proponents 2 points:

1. He has a slightly more athletic build
2. He played AA as a 20 year old where Decker was at High-A at the same age

On the other hand…

Decker’s worst OPS at any level (w/ more than 150 AB’s) was .874. Lawrie’s best was .802.

Now, make sure you read my words correctly. No where did I saw that Decker should be rated ahead of Lawrie – I only ask why Lawrie gets a pass for being ’stocky" (especially with his defensive indifference) and rates so highly while people rush to dismiss Decker who, like Lawrie, is more athletic than his build suggests (and by the way, look at the picture of Decker on this page: http://www.friarhood.com/on-the-farm/659-san-diego-padres-top-30-prospects-for-2011.html?showall=1) but whom has hit better than Lawrie so far…

I’m not sayin’ I’m just sayin’…

-peter

by PeterF on Jan 9, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

imo their leagues play a pretty big role in their stats

in 2010, Lawrie played AA in the Southern League. Decker played high-A in the California league
imo SOUL is a more of a pitchers league, and CALL is a hitters league.
but i’ll give the edge to Decker in 2009, both played in midwest.

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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Jan 9, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes...

…but Lake Elsinore is a pitchers’ park in a hitter’s league… It’s 425 to left-center.

Home OPS: .779
Road OPS: 979

So if he had that same near-1.000 OPS that he has on the road as an overall OPS, yeah, we could attribute it to park factors… But it’s not the case here.

-peter

by PeterF on Jan 9, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

so he had a .779 OPS in a pitchers park. That’s sortof my point

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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Jan 9, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Touche

…But then Lawrie has never exceeded that .802 OPS. And again, I never said Decker was better…

-peter

by PeterF on Jan 9, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

okay then

both are equally good prospects in our eyes, but not John’s

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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Jan 9, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

…my issue/complaint is how much love Lawrie gets vs. how people just casually dismiss Decker…

-peter

by PeterF on Jan 9, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i think its mostly because

its easier to find above average talent in OF than in 2B. The fact that Lawrie is still a 2B, though he may change positions later, give him a boost over other prospects who may have shown better statistics

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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Jan 9, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But that's just it...

…a lot of experts (most?) think Lawrie will end up as a corner OF…

-peter

by PeterF on Jan 10, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

There’s some concern he won’t end up a particularly good defender in a corner, either.

by alskor on Jan 10, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

and IMO Decker’s batting stats look fantastic, so I have to wonder how bad his non-offensive skills are

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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Jan 10, 2011 12:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

besides, both are B+ prospects

whats your deal?

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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Jan 9, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

They're not...

Sickels downgraded Decker to a B…

-peter

by PeterF on Jan 9, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you can

compare their body types. Decker is much softer than Lawrie and was pretty much straight up fat for a while, that can’t be discounted. I’ve never seen Lawrie that soft.

by SoCalSoxFan on Jan 10, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Slightly more athletic build?

That is like saying Ron Jeremy’s penis is ‘slightly’ bigger than mine.

Dewey and KBR are just.......too........sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!

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by King Billy Royal on Jan 10, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

as a fat man

i try not to be too harsh when it comes to a kids size :)

by SoCalSoxFan on Jan 10, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Again...

…look at the pic of Decker I link-to above…

He’s more athletic than he was in the Midwest League or in high school…

-peter

by PeterF on Jan 10, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That picture didn't even show me his lower half

Next time how about a full body shot.

Dewey and KBR are just.......too........sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!

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by King Billy Royal on Jan 10, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I am way down on Lawrie.

He’s just sneaking onto my top 100 right now.

For the same reasons I’m not a big Decker guy.

by alskor on Jan 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I sent you my list

he kept slippin and slippin. . .ended up in the bottom half

by SoCalSoxFan on Jan 10, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

lawrie

was down, I’ll take a fatty if he can rake, I have significantly higher than lawrie

by SoCalSoxFan on Jan 10, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Perez

You like him as much as I do. I’m really high on his well rounded talent and think he will be the best of Toronto’s catchers in the long run.

It will be interesting to see how this already strong system looks after the 2011 draft. I really like what Anthopoulos has done so far.

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by t ball on Jan 9, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

Stewart @ B+

…and ahead of Padres’ Kelly & Castro?

-peter

by PeterF on Jan 9, 2011 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

agent....

Perhaps you have some worthwhile thoughts of your own, “agentcody.”

It’d be great if you’d enlighten us with a few.

Challenging orthodoxy is usually a very constructive thing…and sometimes even admirable; however, public contempt for another is valueless without a publicly offered counterpoint—and specificity(s). For instance, I have intellectual contempt for alleged deep baseball thinker Dave Cameron, largely due to his lazy lionization of Jack Z. & (among many other things) the misguided rationalizing of last year’s Milton Bradley acquisition.

Though I disagree with senor Sickels a LOT, on a regular basis, it’s impossible (given the weight of several seasons’ analysis) to rate John S. less than a B+ in prospect evaluations.

Maybe even an A- .

by Mekonsrock on Jan 10, 2011 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

heh

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by doublestix on Jan 10, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Lawrie

With your statistical background, I’m a little surprised to see a B+. I’d like to see some impact numbers, especially with his defensive question marks, even moreso if he’s going to end up in the OF.

by SoCalSoxFan on Jan 10, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

Lawrie Burks comp and impact numbers

I’ve seen where Lawrie was compared to Craig Biggio but Biggio is not even top 10 according to BP and Ellis Burks is his #1 comp. I compared their age 20 seasons at AA and the only real difference was Burks going 17 for 31 in steals while Lawrie was 30 for 43.

Of course that doesn’t mean Lawrie is the more athletic of the two but it does hint at how subjective grading a player like Lawrie is. Scouts mostly agree that Lawrie will hit but imo it’s more based on a gut feeling than impact numbers, defensive prowess or great makeup.

  

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by chewbalka on Jan 10, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can anyone give some info on Nestor Molina, seems an interesting prospect

Current reliever but I gather only due to recently being converted to the mound. Four pitches, mid90s fastball, highly rated cutter. Is he a likely quick riser or do you see him locked in the pen longterm?

by TtD on Jan 10, 2011 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Nestor Molina isn't a catcher?

I thought anybody with the last name Molina had to be a catcher and win a ring?

Dewey and KBR are just.......too........sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!

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by King Billy Royal on Jan 10, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Drabek...

best power curve since Sheets. That pitch is dirty.

by SenorGato on Jan 10, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

Also, McGuire is the RH version of

Minor.

Better stuff than he might be given credit for, and mixes his pitches well.

by SenorGato on Jan 10, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

my top 25

  1. kyle drabek
  2. brett lawrie
  3. jp arencibia
  4. zach stewart
  5. deck mcguire
  6. carlos perez
  7. travis d’arnaud
  8. anthony gose
  9. asher wojciechowski
 10. anthony gose
 11. adeiny hechavarria
 12. eric thames
 13. jake marisnick
 14. chad jenkins
 15. aaron sanchez
 16. henderson alvarez
 17. dickie joe thon
 18. marcus knecht
 19. drew hutchison
 20. alan farina
 21. kevin ahrens
 22. griffin murphy
 23. david cooper
 24. justin nicolino
 25. santiago nessy

by Alfamale on Jan 11, 2011 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

8. anthony gose
9. asher wojciechowski
10. anthony gose

Anthony Gose the player so nice,
You ranked him twice

by mudie on Jan 11, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

At a guess

10. Would likely be A.J.Jimenez, Carreno or Syndergaard

by TtD on Jan 11, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i think i'd go

drabek
stewart
lawrie
mcguire
arencibia
perez
gose
d’arnaud
hechevarria
thames
wojo
sanchez
jenkins
murphy
marisnick
alvarez
thon
syndergaard
carreno
hobson
jimenez
hutchison
knecht
farina
nicolino

by hrv2010 on Jan 11, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

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