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Los Angeles Angels: Top 10 Prospects

1. Mike Trout / OF / Trout had a tremendous season, leaving no doubt about who LA's top prospect is. His speed and defense are fully expected to be assets, but his mature approach and eye at the plate come as a surprise at this stage of his development.
2. Hank Conger / C / Conger still has not taken the big step forward that his skill set foreshadows. His defense isn't where it needs to be, but he does a good job all-around with a bat, with more power development possible.
3. Garrett Richards / SP / Richards has good stuff across the board, including a mid-90s fastball and three secondary offerings. His command is holding him back and keeping any one of his secondary pitches from becoming his out pitch. But there is a lot to like in this young man, and he is underrated in many circles.
4. Jean Segura / 2B/SS / Segura posted a breakout year at the plate and in the field. Defensively, he plays second base now but has the arm to play the left side of the infield. Offensively, he shows all the tools necessary to be a dynamic middle infielder. He does need to prove his worth at higher levels before the mainstream buys in.
5. Kaleb Cowart / 3B / Cowart is a two-way high schooler who will require patience, especially as he adjusts to an infield position full time. He has plus power potential from either side of the plate and many of the other raw tools necessary to one day become a star.
6. Fabio Martinez / SP / Martinez is a perfect example of a young man with a great three-pitch mix, plus velocity, good movement, and plenty of endurance. But he also is someone who needs to find consistent command on everything he throws before he's ready to challenge hitters at higher levels.
7. Tyler Chatwood / SP/RP / Chatwood has a slight frame, but you wouldn't know judging by his mid-90s fastball. He also has a good looking change-up and curveball, but, guess what, we have another young Angel arm with control issues. The young power arms in their system are very impressive, but they all need to figure out the strike zone.
8. Alexi Amarista / 2B / Amarista is a compact second baseman with a slick glove and great plate approach, which has been demonstrated at higher levels. He has some speed to work with and gap power, but there isn't much home run power, which will ultimately hinder his status. There is a lot to like. A solid big league second baseman is in the works.
9. Mark Trumbo / 1B/OF / Trumbo has one thing that he does well, and that's hit for power. The home run numbers are attractive and bringing people back for more. His simple, powerful swing looks like it will translate to the majors, but scouts aren't so sure about his contact skills, plate discipline, or defense.
10. Cam Bedrosian / SP / Los Angeles has a good, deep system, despite the lack of top-50 prospects. If a few of these young prospects figure things out and prove themselves at higher levels nothing will hold them back from high society. A number of players got a look at No. 10, including Jordan Walden, Trevor Reckling, Chevez Clarke, Randal Grichuk, and Daniel Tillman, but the raw power arm of Bedrosian fits the farm system's philosophy and is too much to ignore.

Los Angeles Angels: Top 10 Players Under Age 26 (as of 4/1/11)

1. Mike Trout / OF
2. Hank Conger / C
3. Garrett Richards / SP
4. Jean Segura / 2B/SS
5. Peter Bourjos / OF
6. Kaleb Cowart / 3B
7. Fabio Martinez / SP
8. Tyler Chatwood / SP/RP
9. Alexi Amarista / 2B
10. Mark Trumbo / 1B/OF


Oakland Athletics: Top 10 Prospects

1. Michael Choice / OF / Choice was the best four-year college hitter in the 2010 draft. He has superstar power potential in his bat, but also the tools to excel as an overall hitter. On top of his bat, he has usable speed and the ability to be a good defender from a corner outfield position.
2. Grant Green / SS / Green had some ups and downs in his debut season. His power and batting average stand out from the crowd, but his strikeout and walk rates will not cut it, and his defense has come into question, although, defensively, he should turn into an average major league shortstop.
3. Chris Carter / 1B/OF / It has become clear that strikeouts will always be a problem for Carter. Couple that fact with his all-or-nothing swing, and you are looking at some ugly batting averages, too. But his power is real and will provide Oakland with a much-needed long ball boost.
4. Jemile Weeks / 2B / Weeks has a rare skill set for a second baseman, and has even demonstrated the intangibles at the plate to be a patient, well-rounded hitter, but injuries are taking over his young career.
5. Ian Krol / SP / Despite his youth, Krol doesn't have a lot of upside due to his small frame and below-average fastball. What he does have is great command and deceptive movement on an average three-pitch mix.
6. Corey Brown / OF / Brown has a nice blend of power and speed. He is a solid defender, and his walk rate seems to get better each year, too. But his strikeout rate is worrisome, and he looked lost at times against Triple-A pitching last year.
7. Max Stassi / C / Stassi is a solid defender, no question, but probably not the difference maker some were hoping for when he was drafted. On the flip side, the power potential those same people were also hoping for has surfaced, giving his offense a glimmer of light that wasn't apparent when he was drafted.
8. Josh Donaldson / C / Donaldson knows how to take walks and has plenty of power, but whether or not he has what it takes elsewhere to stick at catcher remains to be seen.
9. Adrian Cardenas / 2B / Cardenas manages to hit for a good average wherever he goes. He limits his strikeouts and takes his share of walks. But the power numbers everyone was hoping for are nowhere to be found, and his stolen base rate and success percentage have dissipated.
10. Michael Taylor / OF / What happened to Taylor? Two things are clear; he loses his swing at times, and his pitch recognition is poor. His swing looks long and slow sometimes, which has sapped his power. Don't forget about him, though. He will have opportunities to turn it around.

Oakland Athletics: Top 10 Players Under Age 26 (as of 4/1/11)

1. Brett Anderson / SP
2. Trevor Cahill / SP
3. Michael Choice / OF
4. Gio Gonzalez / SP
5. Grant Green / SS
6. Chris Carter / 1B/OF
7. Jemile Weeks / 2B
8. Daric Barton / 1B
9. Ian Krol / SP
10. Corey Brown / OF

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Krol

this was the kid who was suspended his senior year right? Is the arsenal still high 80’s fb, solid secondary offerings? I can’t say I follow the A’s system all that closely anymore … but Krol’s the 5th best prospect in the system?

Also, since they were mentioning him in the other thread, a bit surprised Steve Parker didn’t crack the top 10 I guess. Can’t say I know enough (what type of power does he legitimately have), but PT was saying he was potentially the 2nd best prospect in the A’s system, so not seeing him here was intriguing.

by toonsterwu on Nov 21, 2010 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

Thoughts

-That’s much higher than I have Krol. I’m just not sold on his stuff. He’s an interesting C+ prospect, but I don’t see a case for anything more than that

-Parker is an interesting case. The scouting and the numbers seem to be significantly diverged with him. Here’s what Josh Leventhal said during the California top 20 chat:

Very good defensively, probably one of the top at his position in the league. He was in the running for the list for sure, just not a lot of confidence that he has any other standout tools. A lefthanded-hitting utility infielder was a lot of the projection for him.

I have him ahead of Krol, but I’m not sure either is a top 10 guy.

Unrelated thoughts:
-Choice is a good prospect, but I’m not sure he has that kind of upside. I have him a 1/3 of a grade lower than Green.

-Surprised Yordy Cabrera and Rashun Dixon fell out of the top 10. Gambles, but I think the upside puts them on a weak OAK top 10.

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 21, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

so ... Parker

using a guy I know a bit more … he might be a lefty Marquez Smith (slightly bigger, probably slightly better defensively, although Marquez is no slouch at 3rd)?

by toonsterwu on Nov 21, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I'd definitely take Parker over Smith

But I suppose there are some similarities. I’d put Parker on the same level (not a comp, just as far valuation) as DJ LeMahieu or Ryan Flaherty.

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 21, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

re:

Side note, but I’m not so sure that Smith isn’t ahead of LeMahieu or Flaherty right now. I haven’t pulled the trigger on that yet, but

- Flaherty’s range in the MI is questionable, his reactions at 3rd are debatable, and his bat doesn’t show enough consistent pop.

- LeMahieu has zero pop in his bat. Most feel he’s better at 3rd. Until he show he has some pop … his best case still seems to be a utility player.

I’m still not sure Marquez is a starter … but KG’s comments awhile back had me pondering it. He is a good defensive 3rd baseman with 15-20 HR power and has a good approach at the plate. There’s enough of a case that Marquez might be undervalued in comparison to those two – he legitimately might have a better chance to be a starter. That said, compared to those two, his issue is that, if he isn’t starting, his chances of being in the bigs are slim, whereas those two might be able to fill utility roles.

To take this back to Parker, I guess it comes down to what type of power Parker has. Also, does Parker have the athleticism to handle other positions? He looks intriguing enough, but I don’t enough and the above comment from Leventhal made me think of Marquez since they were at A+ at a similar age, Leventhal seems to suggest average power for Parker, good approaches at the plate (Parker looks to have slightly better discipline as of now), and are both solid defenders at 3rd.

by toonsterwu on Nov 21, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw him in the AFL and I though his power while not outstanding was adequate and I liked his approach at the plate for the most part.

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 21, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume you mean Parker and not Krol...

unless I missed the memo about pitchers hitting in the AFL.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2010 3:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes Im talking about Parker.

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 22, 2010 4:43 AM EST up reply actions  

odd thing

Adrian Cardenas listed as a 2B. He might profile better there, but he’s been playing 3B.

by mrkupe on Nov 21, 2010 2:15 AM EST reply actions  

Choice this good?

I don’t know if I’ve seen anything that implied he’s the 3rd best player in Oakland under 26

by gpellet41 on Nov 21, 2010 7:26 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with this.

And, Barton’s at 8?

Considering he’s already established himself as an above average first baseman in the majors, and most prospects don’t turn into above average regulars, I don’t see how he’s not top 3-4.

by Blicks on Nov 21, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Shinny new toy syndrome indeed. Choice is unlikely to ever put up the type of season that Barton just did.

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 21, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

These folks seem to think above average MLB regulars grow on trees.

by nivarsity on Nov 21, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

I see no reason why the 4 MLB guys on that list shouldn’t be 1-4 on that list in some order. (order is debatable).

by Blicks on Nov 21, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd go Anderson, Gio, Barton, Cahill, Green

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2010 4:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Re Angels

I don’t understand why Walden isn’t getting more love. He undeniably has the stuff of a top flight closer, and showed the necessary control in his MLB trial run last year. I mean, he really, really, really has top notch raw stuff, better by far than anyone else in the system.

I get that there are some long term consistency and injury questions, but how on earth does he continue to get valued beneath Richards, Martinez Mesa, Chatwood, and here, Bedrosian, who all have similar — or similarly significant — issues they need to address?

I also get that he’s now a reliever, and likely will never go back to starting. But is a guy that good, and who at this point looks like a lock to contribute at the highest levels (ie, he has safe floor), really worth significantly less than a bunch of guys who might convert to the bullpen anyway and haven’t seen a whole lot of success above A-Ball? I really don’t get it – can anyone enlighten me?

Also, I’d take Grichuk’s, Clarke’s, and Tillman’s upside over Amarista’s and Trumbo’s likely future as marginal role players any day. Just my opinion.

by rghan on Nov 21, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

amarista is a role player?

Not so much. He doesn’t really profile well at any position other than 2B, but he’s a future 6 hitter for average in the majors with good aptitude for gap power, and he shouldn’t have any trouble sticking at second. It’s not hard to see him being a solid major league middle infielder.

by mrkupe on Nov 21, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I agree his upside is everyday regular. If his playmaking ability with the glove remains superior at the highest levels, he could be an above average contributor on a playoff team.

But you have to question whether the bat will be enough if he doesn’t have the range or arm to be a plus plus defender in the MLB. He’s hit for average, but the discipline and power both slipped at AA and AAA. I really, really like Amarista, and have seen him play multiple times in Cedar Rapids and Rancho Cucamonga – but if you stack up his minor league numbers against Callaspo, Kendrick, and Aybar in those same environments, there’s just not a whole lot of reason to think he projects out to either their level or better.

Amarista’s also a good outfielder (he played there in rookie and winter ball), so if his baserunning improves some, he’d make a damn fine bench asset. Hence the reference to utility guy.

There’s just a little more room to dream on Clarke and Grichuk.

by rghan on Nov 21, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not worried about the numbers

I’m not going to use the numbers to project him to the major league level, that’s just being silly. My MO is to focus on process, not results. There’s useful things to be found from using the results to clarify some impressions of the process, but still – numbers can lie, the process doesn’t. And the process says the kid can hit, and 6 hitters for average get chances. He certainly could fit as a utility guy, but I think he has a pretty fair chance of being more.

I’m not opposed to having Grichuk ahead of him because Grichuk has youth and power on his side. Clarke is all about what you can dream on right now, I’d be really hesitant to take him right now over a much more sure thing in Amarista.

by mrkupe on Nov 21, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Think I’ve said it twice here already, but I’ve seen a lot of him and absolutely love his hit tool. Defense is solid I think, but I’ll let more qualified people argue that.

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Nov 21, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This is really interesting

I always viewed myself as really high on Amarista, and I’d like to think I was one of the first on his bandwagon (last year’s Halosheaven top prospects). I really, really respect the unreal speed and coordination of his actions in the field and his explosiveness in the batters’ box (check out some footage I got of his swing here). I have no doubt that those talents will earn him considerable big league time.

However, I do think he’s a pretty fully formed ball player right now. What I mean by that is that there is little room to project his tools taking another step forward, since he is as strong and as fast as he is ever going to be (the kid is built – he might be just 5’5", but I would not want to piss him off). Yes, his instincts and actions are off the charts good, which should earn him a fair amount of MLB time. But I just don’t think he’s going to generate the kind of pop that a regular 2B man has to generate without being Polanco/Ellis good with the glove (which he might be, but the evidence there is inconclusive). I think it’s all too likely that the .288/.332/.325 line that he put up in AA this year will be the a baseline for his big league numbers year in and year out, and that’s relatively replaceable.

So I think I’d tale Grichuk’s and even Clarke’s upside right now, especially since the Halos are currently overrun with solid but not spectacular middle infield talent at the MLB and AAA levels.

by rghan on Nov 21, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

is he really 5'5"?

He’s listed at 5’8". I’m not sold on that number, but I don’t think he was 3 inches shorter than that.

If he does absolutely everything he’s capable of (generates power, draws a few walks, and plays good defense), then he’s an above-average middle infielder. If he doesn’t quite do all of that, he’s still a regular. I don’t think he’s a .650 OPS hitter in the majors. Don’t get me wrong, he won’t be a slugger, but I think he has the stuff to hit for both average and gap power, and that will get him a job. I’m interested to see where he goes with his approach, because I think he has some room to grow there. He’s still clearly learning to pick his spots against advanced pitching, which is his major flaw at the moment. Once he has that down, he’ll be able to put those quick wrists to work, but he’s going to need some development time to find that happy medium.

by mrkupe on Nov 21, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Most estimates have him at 5'6"

One guy around the A-Ball clubhouse guessed even shorter.

At any rate, I’m very glad to see folks have a high opinion of him. He’s a good ballplayer.

by rghan on Nov 21, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I think batting wise he’ll be like Brian Roberts. Lots of doubles, solid average, maybe not as much speed though.

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by Lionsroar10 on Nov 21, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Roberts is really really good.

I could see 08/09 Callaspo-type years.

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Nov 21, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was speaking just in bat terms.

Your comparison works a lot better though. Seems like a very similar guy.

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by Lionsroar10 on Nov 21, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Jean Segura

I have him as the second best Angels prospect. Really like this guy, I think the upside is huge.

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by BenMc5 on Nov 21, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

vs Amarista

How does Segura differentiate himself from Amarista? They look like the same type of player to me. In fact their lines at lo-A at age 20 are practically identical.

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by mckeeno on Nov 21, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Segura's got much better tools

He has more power, more speed, and a much better arm. The arm good enough where the Angels are currently attempting that rare experiment of moving him across the diamond to become a shortstop. Segura’s also about five inches taller.

Amarista’s a little more skilled both at the plate and with the glove, but his tools don’t project out nearly as well. Less ceiling, but his high floor will undoubtedly get him to the MLB in some capacity.

by rghan on Nov 21, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed with all of this.

Segura has been compared to the prospect version of Kendrick.

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by Lionsroar10 on Nov 21, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Comp

Is that a good thing?

Also, Kendrick was a .360 hitter throughout his minor league career.

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by mckeeno on Nov 22, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Would anyone who has actually seen Carter

play call his swing “all or nothing”? I certaintly wouldn’t.

by JPShark on Nov 21, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

It didn't look all or nothing when i saw him in early October

But it’s not like he will be a .300 hitter with it either.

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by Marinerfanjake on Nov 21, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Was going to say this

He’s not Ichiro, but calling his swing “all or nothing” is a gross oversimplification of his skillset.

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Nov 21, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Carter has such ridiculous raw power that he does not need to swing all-or-nothing to hit home runs. Indeed, that would be quite stupid— it would increase his outs in return for a couple of extra 480-foot moonshots. Home run distance doesn’t score you any extra runs…

He’s going to strike out, but that has as much to do with approach as contact-hitting ability.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2010 4:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Stephen Parker

is getting snubbed again i see…

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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 21, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

Kroll

Early in the offseason the A’s FO talked about how Kroll’s fastball velocity varied from night-to-night. Some nights he’d sit in the 86-90 zone (as supported in BA’s 2010 Handbook and Sickels 2010 book). But other nights he’d sit 90-92 (and IIRC the top end) touched 94. That low-90’s velocity is also supported by BA, which said that was where he pitched (89-92) while he was a HS Junior.

As I’m sure most know, Kroll didn’t pitch much in 2009 due to a discipline problem that got him kicked off his HS team. So 2010 was the first time he really to got work on his game in almost a year and a half. The extra velocity might show more consistently in 2011.

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by grover on Nov 21, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

Actually somewhat shocked at the amount of good hitters there are

Lot of potential. Lot of these guys just either got hurt, stagnated, or have 1 or 2 issues. Green, Weeks, and Choice all stand out as guys who can really establish themselves next year, and I’m still (somewhat irrationally) a Cardenas fan. Love his hit tool and patience.

Stephen Parker, especially, can raise his stock quite a bit if he has a good year in Midland next season. Reports on his defense are lightyears better than I thought they’d be.

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Nov 21, 2010 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Ranking Daric Barton behind Jemile Weeks is loony tunes

Put down the prospecting crack pipe there, folks. The guy just turned in a 5 WAR season which, even if it’s based on unrepeatably awesome defense, is better than the vast majority of prospects ever will.

I’d rank Tyson Ross in the top 10 U-26’s as well. His ERA wasn’t great in the majors, but overall his pitching seemed to take a real step forward in 2010, and he’s expected to be healthy by spring.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2010 4:00 AM EST reply actions  

Is THT’s list based on fantasy value? That might explain things.

by limozeen on Nov 22, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

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