BA CLE TOP 10
by rdf8585 on Nov 17, 2010 11:18 AM EST
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TOP TEN PROSPECTS
1. Lonnie Chisenhall, 3b
2. Alex White, rhp
3. Jason Kipnis, 2b
4. Drew Pomeranz, lhp
5. Nick Weglarz, of
6. Jason Knapp, rhp
7. Levon Washington, of
8. Tony Wolters, ss
9. Joe Gardner, rhp
10. Nick Hagadone, lhp
BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average Lonnie Chisenhall
Best Power Hitter Nick Weglarz
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Jordan Henry
Fastest Baserunner Delvi Cid
Best Athlete LeVon Washington
Best Fastball Jason Knapp
Best Curveball Drew Pomeranz
Best Slider Josh Judy
Best Changeup T.J. House
Best Control Matt Packer
Best Defensive Catcher Roberto Perez
Best Defensive Infielder Kyle Bellows
Best Infield Arm Giovanny Urshela
Best Defensive Outfielder Ezequiel Carrera
Best Outfield Arm Abner Abreu
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Chisenhall is one of the prospects in all of baseball I'm most interested in seeing in the majors.
Always been mixed reviews on him, but it seems like he can now really put it all together. Overall, the Indians haven’t been able to rebuild like they could during previous seasons and the trades haven’t really paid off.
by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 17, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions
At some point...
I’d love to see some bona fide great numbers to back up the glowing scouting reports. I’m still a fan, but people take a lot on faith for a guy whose performance been merely good at each stop rather than elite.
im a huge white/pomeranz fan
But is anyone else surprised to see White over Pomeranz?
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 17, 2010 5:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I was surprised by the order of the top 4
No doubt Chisenhall, White, Kipnis and Pomeranz are the top 4, but the order was a bit surprising. I would personally have them Chiz, Pomeranz, White, Kipnis, with Knapp #5 and Weglarz #6.
I am
I like both, but I have Pomeranz a half grade higher (B+). Perhaps I’m underrating White’s ceiling (or Pomeranz’s command issues).
http://bullpenbanter.com/
I agree
I’ve even seen some that feel White may be better suited in the pen which is I way I figured Pomeranz would be higher.
Like I said I’m a fan of both. I agree with Lesterfan (below), I’m a fan of this system.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 18, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like Pomeranz and Knapp
have the best upside at least among everyone excluding Chis, and I’d probably rank those two right after Chis as well, maybe Kipinis could sneak in front of them for me, but I don’t know. I know lots of people here are really high on him.
I'm a pretty big fan of this system
While none of these guys scream “blue chip stud,” all 10 of the players on this list are very interesting. They also have a good mix of hitting and pitching
Brandon Jacobs of Lowell > Brandon Jacobs of NYG
agree with this
This is what I would describe a very good, not great, system with many guys that appear to be big league regulars just not star quality ones. Still this group probably fits in 8-12 range, for me, when looking at top 10’s around MLB.
White screams Derek Lowe to me with his arm angle and movement on his pitches
Very high on Chisenhall, great swing and he reminds me a ton of Mike Lowell…
I've seen you make that comp...
but Derek Lowe doesn’t top 89 with his fastball. Tack another three or four mph onto the average fastball, and you don’t really have a Lowe anymore.
He hasn't in any season since 2002...
and he averaged 87 mph with his fastball that year. I’d be pretty surprised if he used to.
Jason Kipnis is...
my favorite prospect in the system and in my opinion the best 2B prospect in baseball(I reapeat, my opinion). I would take him over Ackley by a decent margi and he would be just a tick above Lawrie.
ETHAN MARTIN!!!!
ummmm
more for the cartoon. the opinion is shared by most sane scouts.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Nov 19, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I Like Him a ton too..
But not sure I would go above Ackely at this point. I like his chances of being a top 10 2B in the majors at some point in the near future.
Actually
When you think about it, Ackley and Kipnis are really similar players. Both make good contact, both are converted OFs trying 2B defensively (though the reports of Kipnis’ D seem much more glowing than Ackley’s). Both have moderate power and good strike zone judgement (though Ackley’s is probably better).
To me, you can go either way.
Ackley has better tools
The speed and hit tool, at least, are in Ackley’s favor.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
by Jeff Reese on Nov 18, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I think Ackley’s clearly a better prospect.
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by Satchel Price on Nov 18, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Kipnis v. Ackley
Remember folks, Kipnis is a year older, and was able to make a much smoother transition to the minors by signing early enough in ’09 to log some time in affiliated ball.
If Ackley spent all of next year between A+/AA like Kipnis did during his age-23 season, I’m pretty sure he would exceed Kipnis’s production by a substantial amount. Instead, Ackley will spend 2011 split between AAA and MLB.
I think the fact that this is even a question is a huge case of overreacting to a single year’s performance. And it goes both ways. People are downgrading Ackley too quickly for not immediately dominating the high minors and not immediately becoming a plus 2B, and people are giving Kipnis a bit too much credit for his performance this year IMO. Kipnis is a solid enough prospect, but I’ll still take Ackley by a huge margin.
Performance only?
Maybe I was looking at things from a very basic perspective, but I was really only looking at the tools. Try reading next time.
Listen, Ackley is still a great prospect. But what, other than contact and strike zone judgement, does he really excel at? Power? No. Speed? No. Defense? Hell no. The reason Kipnis wasn’t so highly regarded is that scouts saw him as an average at best CF with a high floor. Move that guy to 2B where his bat plays better and he all of a sudden becomes a really good prospect.
I’ll give you the fact that Ackley played a full level higher than Kipnis in 2010. But what exactly does he do so much better than Kipnis to give him that “huge margin” you refer to? I don’t see it. I think you are either overrating Ackley, underrating Kipnis, or maybe a combo of both.
Well
Kipnis has above-average strike zone judgement himself. Its not like comparing Pujols to Alfonso Soriano.
Ackley went straight to AA from college...
and put up a 55:41 BB:K there in 350 PAs at age 22.
Kipnis went from college to A-, and ended his second year at AA.
He put up a 31:61 BB:K there in 355 PAs at age 23.
Kipnis’ plate discipline is pretty much the bare minimum you expect from a hitting prospect, while Ackley’s is potentially elite. I can understand comparing the other skills, but you might as well be saying Mike Stanton’s power is probably better than Ike Davis’.
pretty reasonable list
a little surprised that Hagadone was that far down, maybe…would take him over Gardner or Wolters, at least, I’d say
Why is joe Gardner being so over looked
seems to have the right stuff it takes for a nice MLB career.
http://firstinning.com/players/Joseph-Gardner-a/
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
Cord Phelps
I like this guy, too, although I can see why he isn’t top 10 and may just end up a utility guy, although given the right breaks, team and development i could see him getting to be a starter somewhere. he’s got Kipnis right behind him, though.
He's definitely ahead of Hagadone for me
And about on par with the Gardner/Wolters/Washington/Weglarz group.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Adam Miller
will be eligible in the Rule 5 draft, would love for the Mets who take a chance on this
If you take someone in the Rule 5, and he spends all year on the DL, do you still get to keep him?
That’s a very real possibility with Miller…
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