BA KC 2011 TOP 10
by rdf8585 on Nov 15, 2010 10:27 AM EST
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1. Eric Hosmer, 1b
2. Wil Myers, c
3. Mike Moustakas, 3b
4. John Lamb, lhp
5. Mike Montgomery, lhp
6. Christian Colon, ss
7. Danny Duffy, lhp
8. Chris Dwyer, lhp
9. Aaron Crow, rhp
10. Brett Eibner, of
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Best Hitter for Average Eric Hosmer
Best Power Hitter Mike Moustakas
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Wil Myers
Fastest Baserunner Jarrod Dyson
Best Athlete Derrick Robinson
Best Fastball Yordano Ventura
Best Curveball Mike Montgomery
Best Slider Aaron Crow
Best Changeup John Lamb
Best Control John Lamb
Best Defensive Catcher Salvador Perez
Best Defensive Infielder Humberto Arteaga
Best Infield Arm Mike Moustakas
Best Defensive Outfielder Jarrod Dyson
Best Outfield Arm Jordan Parraz
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I think its funny that
Duffy, Dwyer, and Crow are the 7th, 8th, and 9th best prospects in the system. All 3 of them could be top 2 or 3 prospects in most systems. Just shows how deep the Royals are and how great of a future they could have.
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ehhh....not sure bout this Top 10.
I would rearrange the top 5 to:
1. Hosmer
2. Moustakas
3. Myers
4. Montgomery
5. Lamb
You basically have the same order
Just in case you missed that.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 15, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
i was jsut referring to the Top 5 since I am not an expert on this system or anything.
But that is a different list. I kept Hosmer at number one because he is obviously the best. Instead of going with Myers next, I prefer Moustakas because of his many offensive tools and security advantage over Myers. I also prefer Montgomery’s stuff to Lambs enough to put him ahead.
Eerily close to how I have it
They like Colon more than me, but couldn’t drop him too far just yet.
by mrkupe on Nov 15, 2010 11:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Last time I thought it through, yeah
Both have awesome bats, but I feel a little more sure in Hosmer at the moment, and I feel the certainty of knowing he’s a decent glove at first is a considerable plus over Myers. The positional value argument can only hold so much sway.
by mrkupe on Nov 15, 2010 11:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes, but
Really, we don’t know all that much about where exactly Myers is going to play on defense. He might be a catcher, but I’m guessing probably not. He might be a RF, and while he has the tools to play the position well, we don’t actually know how good he’d be there just yet. I’m pretty confident that Hosmer will play a pretty strong 1B, and that certainty combined with looking sharp in AA (where prospect flaws quickly show up) gives him an ever-so-slight edge. Myers might get the edge next year, but I’d emphasize that we are talking about two very good prospects here, and I don’t see a reason to worry too much about where either stacks up in the overall rankings.
My favorite part of this list is where John Lamb ended up in the overall rankings. So many good things about him. Give me a choice between him and Moustakas and I’d have to think a long time there. . .Moose is a more sure contributor, but Lamb could be an absolute stud if they don’t push him too quickly.
anywhere he plays save DH, will be at a more valuable position than where Hosmer will play though.
and I like Myers’ bat better.
why?
If Myers isn’t playing C how do we know he could play any position better than Hosmer?
I would take the guy that proved it at the higher level. Myers might be better. But there have been far too many players that look studly only to fail at the higher levels. Not that failing is worst thing. But many times we don’t find out about flaws until they reach this level.
That makes no sense
If Hosmer is a well above-average first baseman and Myers is an average right fielder, they’re essentially even.
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by Satchel Price on Nov 17, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I like CC
But I think he’s gotta be behind the other 2 lhp’s.
I also like Myers over Hosmer.
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by Gobroks on Nov 15, 2010 1:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
A fun future rotation (even though ZG won't be there)
No. 1 Starter Zack Greinke
No. 2 Starter John Lamb
No. 3 Starter Mike Montgomery
No. 4 Starter Danny Duffy
No. 5 Starter Chris Dwyer
I was surprised to see they did that as well.
No Crow. No Hochevar. But they had Zack who won’t be there in all probability.
Dude
Vin Mazzaro. #1. For sure.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 15, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
At least 8
I think I’d take Villar over Crow and Eibner (all three are B-’s for me).
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I'd say around five
After Montgomery it drops off, although the top five are incredible. The Astros have Lyles, Ovando, Villar, DeShields, Foltynewicz, and Martinez who are all at least comparable in value to the bottom five in the KC system in my opinion.
But I’m not exactly unbiased and will admit that straight up.
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I also
Don’t think the Astros are the poster boy for a bad farm system anymore, and would put them around #20 at the moment. Would rather use, say, the White Sox for this example. I’m not sure they have any prospects who would make this list.
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Disagree pretty strongly
Chicago has a bad system, but Chris Sale is a B+; Jared Mitchell is a solid B prospect and Morel/Escobar are borderline B’s. Lyles is the only player in the Astros’s system I have rated as a B or higher.
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Does Sale even qualify as a prospect anymore?
Regardless, I have him as a strong B-. Same as I did before the draft, the highest grade I’d give to any guy I see as a relief pitcher.
I see Mitchell as a borderline B which is the same grade I’d give to all the Astros prospects I mentioned.
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you're fairly generous in your praise
I think Escobar is probably a B after he distinguished himself at the AFL, but I can’t see Mitchell being more than a B- right now. Good case for Sale being an A- after handling major league competition so well so early on, even if you think he’s a relief pitcher.
I don’t really get the reason for knocking relief pitchers just for being who they are, even if they’re really good. As a compromise, I’d rather grade them appropriately to their performance/skills and then knock them in the overall rankings (i.e. a B+ reliever ~ B- non-relief prospect).
But yeah, the Astros system is still pretty bad, although with a few bright spots that could push it up next year. Doesn’t save it for this year, though . . .I’d have to struggle to find 5-6 teams that I wouldn’t take over their system, let alone having them at 20.
Maybe a bit on Mitchell
I still like him and the biggest question mark for me was whether his ankle is fully healed. The reports from the AFL on that front were positive.
I probably like Morel more than most. The reports on the defense at third are strong and I think the bat can be average. That’s good enough to put him on that borderline between B- and B.
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For me
Prospect analysis is about baseball value. Relief pitchers and bench players, even the best ones, simply don’t have much value relative to other players in the game. The best closer in baseball is probably worth as much as a fringe everyday regular/really good bench player.
And I don’t by any means think Chris Sale’s ceiling is “best closer in all of baseball”, although he might be a really good one.
Now if you want to define prospect analysis by some more nebulous standard—like “how good he is at his role”—I can understand grading that way. It just seems kind of counterintuitive to me.
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"The best closer in baseball is probably worth as much as a fringe everyday regular/really good bench player"
Totally false.
The game’s best closer generally puts up 2.5-3.0 WAR, and that’s before even going into bullpen chaining. The game’s best closer is absolutely worth more than a fringe-average regular.
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by Satchel Price on Nov 17, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Robinson ran a 4.25 40 in high school and signed a letter of intent to play cornerback for Florida.
I’m sure White is an incredible athlete, but Robinson is the definition of athlete.
by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 15, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
drob is one pretty awesome athlete
I can’t begin to imagine how fast Dyson must be if he’s faster than Robinson, because Robinson has unbelievable speed. He just remains very raw as a hitter, although there are some signs of progress.
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