Congrats 2010 SF Giants
by BryceHarper on Nov 1, 2010 11:11 PM EDT
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To all you Giants fans that have been waiting all these years, it's your time, enjoy!
Really happy for Renteria, goes out on top (hopefully), for Huff, Burrell, Ross, and the brilliant start by Tim Lincecum and called by Posey.
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SO LONG MLB FOR ANOTHER 5 MONTHS (LET THE OFF-SEASON BEGIN)
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Really happy for Burrell?
Can’t see why. He already has a ring and he just had on of the worst postseasons (and probably the worst WS) in baseball history. 22 Ks in 42 ABs. 11 Ks in 13 ABs in the WS. I don’t see how he was in the lineup tonight.
On the other hand what Renteria was able to do was amazing. Buster Posey is a beast. What Bumgarner did at age 21 was incredible. And it is good to see Cain finally gets some love after going 21 IP with 0 ER.
down the stretch
he played pretty well, and help them get to the post-season. He was cast-away, and you can’t discount his contributions getting there.
How do you figure?
A classmate of mine used to live in his neighborhood, and said he was also perfectly nice whenever she saw him.
Scottsdale
I worked summers bouncing in nightclubs in Scottsdale, of which Burrell was a regular patron. He was about the cockiest guy I came across. Completely unlikable. And that’s saying alot considering that I met easily 50-75 pro players in the two summers I worked there. Most were dicks, but he was a dick amongst dicks.
and *she* is the key word
dude chased every good looking blonde in Scottsdale. Usually with the cheesy line of “do you know who I am” variety
I detest the Giants
This sucks.
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
by hero66 on Nov 1, 2010 11:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
LMAO
As long as Billy Beane is in charge, you might as well become a fan of the Bay rival.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
by Dewey Finn on Nov 1, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Very true. Sabean may not be as dumb as people think he is.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh...
This was a pretty flawed team that had tremendous front line starting pitching, a great Closer and some timely hitting. Everything came together nicely and they peaked at the right time. It wasn’t some brilliantly laid scheme by Brian Sabean… though obviously he deserves a good amount of credit for this. For example, if you look at the in season pickups the Giants made you have to give Sabean credit for filling the holes with some… well, patchwork style players who came through brilliantly. At the same time the face this team needed to fill so many holes during the season is definitely something for which Sabean deserves criticism. Honestly, I still would throw up in my mouth if my favorite team hired him & I also still think he’s far from one of the better GMs in the game. Again, though… this was one of the weaker champions of recent vintage, IMO. They only scored 697 runs. This was a team whose dominant pitching peaked at playoff time and whose Renterias and Burrells executed perfectly and played their asses off when pressed into tough situations.
Sidenote – I had no idea the Giants hadn’t won since they moved to San Fran. I’m sure I knew/heard this at one point but I hadn’t thought of it in a long time. So, its good to see a title go to one of the better mainstay franchises/brands in MLB, in one of the biggest markets and with some of the best history of any team.
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by alskor on Nov 2, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To get a sense of how lucky Sabean was this year.
Aubrey Huff was plan C. He originally wanted to sign Adam LaRoche and Nick Johnson first.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 2, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Every GM has some lucky moves
However, this team was built on pitching and Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, and Sanchez weren’t lucky.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but the point is
Renteria, Ross, Huff and Posey coming out as hot as he did and maintaining his start as a rookie is pretty lucky
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Nov 2, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Another stupid move....playing Molina over Posey for the first two months almost cost them the playoffs.
And they didn’t even save a year of Posey’s service time.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 2, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
How do we know that?
Perhaps Posey needed some additional seasoning in the minors to improve his defense or game calling.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its less than ideal (maybe even sloppy) roster management that worked out.
If you’re going to use the fact it worked out as justification there’s no point discussing any of this… (not being snarky here). We can analyze process separate from results, critique the process and still celebrate the results. Its not as simple as ends justifies means. Whether or not you agree there was luck involved here, someone has won (a title, a game, an AB) and got lucky before.
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The fact that it worked out is all the justification I need.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And this is why you consistently come out with bad analysis
We already know what happened. Why it happened requires analysis of the process, which you appear not to value or understand.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
If Posey played a whole year behind the plate, he might have been pretty tired by the end of the year. All those innings at first base probably helped his knees.
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by alexwithclass on Nov 2, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
1962, 1993, 2002
Those teams were all unlucky. Or, rather, they were damn good teams, with much better line-ups.
From 1958-1971 the Giants won more games than any team in baseball. They won 1 pennant, 1 Division title, and no world series. I can’t begrudge them a title. They had great pitching that shut down opponents all post-season. That isn’t luck. They managed to push across some runs when they had to.
It’s not like these series were even all that close, although there were a lot of close games during the playoffs. They’re “lucky” like the Miracle ’69 Mets were lucky.
Right, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve credit for the pitching (although, LOLZITO)
But the fact that pretty much every single one of their acquisitions and veterans performed over their heads and came up big….well, I guess when you’ve been playing that lottery for 8 years, you’re bound to hit it big.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 2, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, they were kind of lucky....
For instance, Jon Daniels went out and got Cliff Lee. Lee lost (blew?) two WS games. That’s gotta go down to bad luck for Daniels, right? The reverse is somewhat true… Lincecum, others stepped up… I wouldn’t say luck is a huge factor in this part of the dicussion, but still…
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Aubrey Huff was plan C. He originally wanted to sign Adam LaRoche and Nick Johnson first
I’d say that series of events was much to Sabean’s credit — he didn’t overvalue Johnson or LaRoche. He wouldn’t give either player what they or they’re agent thought they worth, and in the end he was proved right as I’d say the teams that did ultimately sign them were disappointed in how the signings worked out.
Not overvaluing the guys you want to sign and inking them at any cost is a pretty good first step in approaching the FA market. And it’s not a step Sabean’s always managed to take. He’s frequently been in front of the market and ended up with contracts he couldn’t move for unproductive players.
You want an example of luck, let’s look at Renteria, who was signed to a pretty bad contract, spent two years as a shell of himself, and then suddenly decides to play turn back the clock when they get to the series.
That said, every other team in the hunt, including the Yankees, who spent over $100 million more than the Giants, was desperately hunting for pitching in the end. But the Giants weren’t.
they got lucky (as most winners do), but the plan was solid. Put together the best staff in the game and try to find a lineup that can support it enough to win.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 3, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
yeah, they got lucky
That being said, nobody ever feels bad about getting lucky.
let's be fair, they did get lucky to a certain extent there
Lincecum was Lincecum, but Cain and Bumgarner completely shutting out the Rangers? As talented as they both are, still takes some luck to be able to chain those starts together.
It’s not a knock on them as every team, even the best team, needs to have some luck to win.
I agree that every team has to get lucky to some extent
but it doesn’t seem right to sell them short and make this about how the Rangers lost it more than the Giants won it. Or the only reason the Giants won was because of luck. It’s hard to luck your way past the Rangers and Phillies.
Lincecum is of course great (although there are troubling signs). I believe Cain never gets the credit I believe he is due. He was absolutely dominant year in and year out, yet no one really pays attention. I am a stat man myself, didn’t really believe he could continue to outperform his peripherals, but he consistently does. There are pitchers that have a knack (or skill?) at inducing weak contact and outperform what I expect (Clayton Kershaw comes to mind). But a 17% IFF% is statistically significant and I’m a believer. And Bumgarner. A prospect that caused a great divide. The velocity is back in the 93-94 range, he’s 21, is more of a ground ball pitcher… I like the package. He’s going to be a quite good.
Just don't buy Cain can sustain a BABIP this low
.268 in 2009 and .260 in 2010 is pretty extreme, for a pitcher. That said, I think he’s still a very good pitcher, and I don’t think an ERA in the mid-3s is an unreasonable forward-looking expectation.
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Oh when will it end
Possibly the most underrated pitcher in baseball even after flat-out OWNING the postseason.
It isn’t luck on batted balls or lucky strand rates. Dude is fucking awesome.
"A lot of swearing, a lot of screaming – and a lot of alcohol."
-Tim Lincecum on the playoffs
Right
AND they did enough to get themselves to a position where getting lucky mattered. Kudos to them.
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I have to say this for Sabean...
When it comes to scouting pitching, he is probably the best in baseball. He can find pitching anywhere, be it in the draft, internationally, free agency, trades, etc. If your team hired him to be a scout/assistant GM, you should be jumping up for joy.
When it comes to finding productive hitters or judging monetary issues (such as handing out contracts to free agents, when to tender/non-tender), he might be the worst GM in the game.
Somehow, everything worked out this year with timely hitting but there was no luck in the composition of this pitching staff. Sabean made some amazing moves to shore up the bullpen and gave up what amounted to very little. And, I hate to say this because I still think he shouldn’t return as the Giants GM, but he just bought himself another 5 years at the helm. Oy, we will never get this kind of timely hitting again
Championship
Really? The guy has built TWO World Series teams (granted, only the 2010 team actually won.) He’s a pretty damn fine GM, and I’d have taken him over Sandy Alderson for the Mets. Just because Sabean is pretty clearly disinterested in sabermetrics doesn’t make him a poor GM; there are many ways to skin a cat. Sabean’s track record of winning shows that he is pretty clearly a very good GM.
Agreed
Also, it is interesting how he built the 2 teams in very different ways. The first team was built around Bonds and mediocre veterans while the second team was built around pitching through the draft.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Mediocre veterans?
Jeff Kent has something to say about that – and he’ll get back to you after he finishes writing his HOF acceptance speech. Beyond that obvious error, the Giants had plenty of players on the team during the Bonds era that were far from mediocre. Ellis Burkes, Ray Durham, Rich Aurilia, JT Snow, Jason Schmidt, and Robb Nen come to mind just off the top of my head. You don’t compete for the division title every year for 6 straight years just with one great player.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Snow, Durham, and Aurilia were decent but not great
Other than Kent and Bonds the teams weren’t filled with top notch talent. Players numbers tended to jump with Bonds in the middle of that order.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
You don’t compete for the division title every year for 6 straight years just with one great player.
I would usually agree with your statement but Bonds was such a freak of nature (and science) that he put up some of the greatest offensive campaigns in MLB history.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 3, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Granted, Jeff Kent and Jason Schmidt were pretty spectacular players, too, but they were the only other real standouts for the entirety of that run. Robb Nen belongs on that list, but his arm was toasted during the 02 playoffs (a Profile in Courage if there ever was one in the game of baseball.)
Looking back, I’m a bit surprised Nen never got any HOF consideration. I don’t really think he belongs in, but I would imagine some big Hall guys would have thought so.
Saying Bonds was "one great player"
is kind of misleading because he was producing such ridiculous WAR totals that he was basically two great players’ worth of great in one lineup spot. Bonds plus a league-average player was a better combination than Roy Halladay and Chase Utley (both of whom are great, Hall-of-Fame level players in their own right).
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I kind of said that
I did say that he was a ‘freak of nature’ and that he put up some of the greatest offensive seasons ever. I don’t see how that is misleading.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 5, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The misleading statement was Fla-Giant's
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Also
The Giants have the 3rd best Win/Loss in the NL, and 6th best in baseball since Sabean has been GM. He may be unconventional but that does not make him a bad GM.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Subtract out the extra wins they got from Bonds,
who was not inked by Sabean (and who a chimp could have decided was a good idea to re-sign), and they look a hell of a lot worse.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Did Sabean resign Bonds?
The answer is yes and ever other GM could have made him an offer but were afraid of his baggage. Sabean actually got Bonds at a great deal for which he should be commended. Sabean has done a much better job as a GM then your boy Billy Beane in recent years.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 5, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, did Sabean get Bonds at market price because the other GMs were afraid of having the best hitter ever?
Or did he get him at below market price because Bonds wanted to play for San Francisco?
I’m not sure which story-that-doesn’t-actually-help-your-argument you’re going for here.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Were other teams actually bidding?
Teams were not really bidding for Bonds. They actually were worried about all the baggage he carried and nobody put together any serious offers in 2002.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 5, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of curiosity what is your opinion on the Ellis and Crisp options being picked up?
I know we won’t agree on Sabean, but how do you feel about these contracts. It seems to me like the A’s could have got both of the players back for much cheaper and I’m not sure why they wanted Crisp to crowd their OF even further. Am I missing something in Beane’s rational?
by King Billy Royal on Nov 5, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually never said he was a bad GM.
I said that he had a couple major shortcomings; when it comes to deciding how much money to give to players in free agency and when it comes to finding extremely productive hitters that are not stopgaps.
I'm really happy it were the Giants
My family is full of giants fans and i bet all were screaming with joy
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
Great job Giants!!!!
It is good to see the best stadium in baseball finally witness a winner. It is good to see SF finally get its ring they have been chasing since the move to the Bay.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
I'm just glad to see Texas lose
But i’m happy for San Fran, theyve got a nice team
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
All I know is
A ticker tape parade in San Fran is going to be pay per view worthy
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
I'm just annoyed that you guys aren't talking about the real stories here
Bumgarner doesn’t have secondary pitches and Posey has limited power.
no velocity either
That radar gun must’ve been jacked up by the giants PR department!
I love me some Bumgarner
Dewey and I gave him a lot of love in our prospect rankings from last season. He was my top ranked pitcher and Dewey’s 5th ranked.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/9/3/1014655/dewey-finn-vs-king-billy-royal
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I'd put him at the top of the list
But he’s come a LONG way this year. Velocity is up with great command, he shows good feel for a change, and he’s bringing along that slider. It’s a pretty sweet package.
Nice
You also said Jeremy Hellickson reminds you of James Simmons on this page.
by brok515 on Nov 2, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
now now
Dewey’s Brad Holt comment clearly trumps everything else on the page . . .
“9. Bradley Holt (NYM) – Secondary pitches have improved, AJ Burnett upside potential.”
I’m not sure whether I should laugh at Holt being No. 9 on such a list in the first place or whether I should be impressed . . .after watching Burnett this year, hard to argue!
I was 100% wrong on Hellboy
I have admitted I was wrong about him numerous times. Even with that omission, I think my list turned out pretty well.
by King Billy Royal on Nov 2, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, I don't think he meant that Hellickson would suffer a mysterious shoulder injury and be ineffective for two years in a row because of it.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Bumgarner
He is just lucky. He only had 6 Ks!!! IDC that he pitched 8 scoreless innings on the road in the World Series against the #5 scoring team in baseball. I mean c’mon only 6 K’s. #5 starter at best!!!
Chris Withrow >>> Madison Bumgarner
/sarcasm
Well considering Jeff Weaver pitched 8 innings with 9 K's in game 5 of 2006
… getting lucky with pitching does happen! Hah. Not that that really was the case, this time around.
These Giants did give my Cardinals a run for their money on that hallowed honor, “worst team to win the World Series”.
by oplaid on Nov 2, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
God bless ya
and how Bumgarner continues to be “deceptive” and wait til’ the league ees him for the second time, or the third, or the 4th, etc.
When Posey was just drafted I watched him and the first player who came to mind was Cal Ripken Jr. Now I don’t know If he’ll be THAT good but, the steadiness and classiness reminded me of Cal. A cornerstaone, type balllplayer and a consistent, dependable one like Cal.
Well, he’s got his World Championship in his rookie year like Cal . Go Giants! What an enjoyable roster of players eh? This coming from a Padres fan too.
Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist.
-George Carlin
just as a little challenge
give me your end of season top 10 power rankings…I’m not so sure the Giants make my top 10.
by wildthang on Nov 2, 2010 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
"I’m not so sure the Giants make my top 10"
and the award for dumbest post of the year….
by nyy601 on Nov 2, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
I like what you did with the whole fake presentation thing; it really clinched that joke. Original as well.
In any case, I probably would have them as the 8th or 9th best team in 2010, so not far from outside the top 10, but I guess thats baseball
season just ended
and I think they ranked #1 in the final power ranking
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
by fourfingerwoo on Nov 2, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd still take
NYY, TB, BOS, MIN, TEX, PHI over them. maybe TOR because of having to play the AL west. maybe even COL and/or CIN.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
You go ahead and do that.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
i guess to me, it just seemed that
they weren’t the better team going into any of the matchups after the braves series, and that a couple hitters got hot and won games for them, a la the 2006 cardinals. they had the pitching depth and cain really stepped up, but literally everything lineup-wise broke right. they were the 19th-best offense in the game during the regular season.
what i’m saying is that during the season, those teams i listed were probably better than the giants. cody ross hitting 45 home runs in 12 games and pablo being so bad that edgar renteria comes off the bench, magically hitting home runs in the WS doesn’t make SF a better team than those listed IMO.
credit to them in winning it all though. the run was impressive, and they did what they needed to do to win. just don’t see it lasting unless they make some lineup moves in the offseason. gotta do something about sandoval and the LF situation. need an upgrade in LF unless they put ross there.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
what i’m saying is that during the season, those teams i listed were probably better than the giants
Yes, you’re saying that teams that finished with worse records over 162 games, including a club that finished with a substantially worse record in their own division, were better teams. And I’m saying that that’s a position that privileges abstract concepts to such a degree as to set the material world at naught.
As Jimmy Johnson used to say, “you are who your record says you are.” Colorado played a virtually identical record and won 10% fewer games. Texas won fewer games playing in a vastly inferior division. Cincinnati won fewer games playing in an inferior division. Minnesota didn’t have nearly their pitching. The Yankees didn’t have their pitching. This notion that they were somehow the MLB equivalent of NC St. is frankly pretty far fetched.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
i'll buy that
good post. thanks.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Any time.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
thanks for the input
congrats to your team for the WS win, and sorry we have differing opinions.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
A's an Oaklamd fan..
Gratz to the Giants. I love great pitching over great hitting.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Lazy analysis...
There is no way the Giants hitters could beat Hudson, Lowe, Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, CJ Wilson, Lee (twice) without luck. There is no way the Giants pitchers could shut down the Phillies and Rangers (AL lineup OMGZ) stacked lineups without luck. IT WAS ALL LUCK.
I mean give credit where credit is due. They won the WS after all… =)
Congratulations to the Giants!
A perfect ending to the Year of the Pitcher!
The Mets GM is Sandy Alderson: A Dynasty is Born
R.A. Dickey for Governor!
Posey revisited
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/6/7/547573/buster-posey#6684265
I was looking back for my Buster Posey to Cal Ripken Jr. comparison from a few years back and I found it in this discussion. Besides being absolutely correct about everything said, which is fun, I also thought the conversation was interesting.
Doesn’t seem so far-fetched now to think Posey might, possibly be a better ballplayer than Matt Wieters now, does it? The consensus was that Wieters had a LOT more power than Posey and the only reson was because “SCOUTS” (in big, fat, dumbass quotes) said so. I can’t even count the amount of dumb ass things that are attributed to “SCOUTS”.
To anybody new around here, remember this one thing: If you hear somebody say “scouts” said this, or “scouts” said that they usualy neither…
A Know ANY scouts
B Are even actually quotinga real scout when they say thyey are
C Even if they are scouts, scouts are wrong all the time.
Some people on boards like these are just as good.
Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist.
-George Carlin
yea they're still not the most talented overall team in baseball but some people on here
need to take a break from WAR and ISO and just enjoy watching the games in the playoffs, the Giants beat every team that was put in front of them, and that is how the world series champion is crowned. It is baseball, luck is a part of it and that’s what makes it so fun to watch the actual games. Unlike the basketball playoffs the better team doesn’t always win. Congrats San Fran.
ya but this line up was and still isn't very well thought of
with many players considered one year wonders or playing well above there “true talent” level. While I don’t exactly disagree you can’t hold it against them however.
fact
i’m interested to see who they trot out there next year
man, this october was torture for an a’s fan like myself. if only the a’s played up to their pythag and people stayed healthy
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
I actually agree with this
Luck is an essential part of the game— indeed, it has to be for the game to be exciting. Otherwise the better team would win every time. How boring would that be?
Why is it so hard for people to deal with the idea that success is due to luck? It’s like a psychological complex with some people. I blame the “everything happens for a reason” nonsense that dumbass TV shows and televangelists are constantly spouting at us.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Anyone trying to argue that the Giants DIDN'T get lucky is out of their mind
There’s never been a World Series champion that wasn’t lucky.Yeah, you put yourself into the best possible position, but the reality is that winning the World Series simply doesn’t make you the best team in baseball.
Sure, flags fly forever, and that’s what’s really important, but I don’t think anyone’s going to sit down and argue that the Giants were absolutely the best team of 2010. They clearly weren’t, it’s simply that they were pretty much built for this kind of competition (streaky offense, crazy good pitching) and their luck was right at the proper time.
A deserving World Champion, but a lucky one regardless.
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I'm an editor for Beyond the Box Score, an SB Nation blog.
by Satchel Price on Nov 3, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
where's casejud at???
i remember him backing Bumgarner in a big way when others were not….
just this past off-season and even earlier this summer
Bumgarner is a stud
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
I hate Hunter Wendelstedt, you hate Hunter Wendelstedt we all hate hunter w
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 4, 2010 12:41 AM EDT reply actions
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