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Dberg's Top 25 Detroit Tigers prospects

(This has also been posted at SBN's www.blessyouboys.com)

 

Before we begin, a word about my prospecting biases.  I don't pay much attention to anything below the full season leagues (West Michigan and higher).  I'm more a stats guy than a scouting guy, though I try to pay attention to both.  I take criticism well, so please use the comments to apply it liberally.  Where statistics are used, they are the player's combined 2010 minor league statistics, unless otherwise noted.

 

1.  Jacob Turner, RHP, Grade A

Turner had as good a professional debut as anyone could have hoped.  His command/control looks better than expected (only 1.8 BB/9 across two levels).  Some were undoubtedly disappointed by "only" 8 K/9 across the two levels.

 

2.  Andy Oliver, LHP, Grade B+

Oliver more than handled an aggressive assignment at AA, though he should not have been pushed to AAA/MLB.  The strikeouts were there (8.2 K/9 in AA and AAA), but he walks too many (3.5 BB/9) and he gives up a few too many HR (0.9 HR/9).  Though he still seems to be relying primarily on his excellent FB/CH combo, I've heard that he made good strides in rediscovering his missing breaking pitch.

 

3.  Casey Crosby, LHP, Grade B

A lost season for Crosby.  He's already come back once from a missing season; hopefully he can do it again.

 

4.  Nick Castellanos, 3B, Grade B

As high as I am willing to go on nothing but scouting reports and a few PAs in rookie ball (though both look promising).  I'm excited to see what he can do in a full season.  It definitely looks like he has the highest ceiling of Detroit's position prospects.

 

5.  Dan Schlereth, LHP, Grade B

As high as I'm willing to go on a reliever who walks every batter he faces (6.2 BB/9 in AAA).  Love the strikeouts, though (10.2 K/9 in AAA).  Highest upside among Detroit's relievers.

 

6.  Brayan Villareal, RHP, Grade B

Plenty of strikeouts (9.5 K/9), okay walk rate (2.7 BB/9), too many HR (1.0 HR/9).  One of my favorite Tiger prospects.

 

7.  Adam Wilk, LHP, Grade B-

The anti-Andy Oliver: mediocre raw stuff, low walk rate (1.3 BB/9 in Adv-A and AA), low K rate (6.1 K/9), low HR rate (0.5 HR/9).  He's handled every level he's faced despite mediocre stuff.  He has the best control/command in the system, and (if he doesn't hit his developmental wall in AAA) he should make a fine back-of-the-rotation starter.  Another personal favorite.

 

8.  Daniel Fields, CF, Grade B-

Fields handled an aggressive assignment in the Florida State League despite being one of its youngest players (age 19).  Reports on his defense are good, and it sounds like he has excellent raw speed (though this hasn't translated to the basepaths--he's been caught stealing more times than he's been successful).  He took lots of walks (in more than 12.5% of his PAs), struck out a lot (in more than 30% of his ABs), and he flashed some occasional power (.131ISO).  Another personal favorite.

 

9.  Francisco Martinez, 3B, Grade B-

Martinez provides an interesting contrast to Fields.  Both played in the FSL at age 19, though Martinez showed better contact and baserunning instincts, while Fields showed better power and patience.  If all goes well, he could be an average to slightly above Major League third baseman who hits for a good average, steals some bases, and provides solid defense.  Think pre-2010 Chone Figgins (without all the walks).

 

10.  Charlie Furbush, LHP, Grade B-

Destroyed Advanced A, handled AA, met his match in AAA.  He'll certainly start the year in AAA, though I wouldn't be surprised to see him take Galarraga's spot in the Tigers' rotation before too long.

 

11.  Casper Wells, RHP, Grade B-

May be an aggressive grade for a 25 year old who just got his first taste of the big leagues after struggling in AAA to begin the year, but I really like Wells.  He's an above average fielder in the corners with loads of power and decent patience.  At worst, he's an above average fourth outfielder who can play all three OF positions and provide some pop off the bench.  At best, he's an average to above regular with a low BA, middling OBP, and high SLG.

 

12.  Robbie Weinhardt, RHP, Grade C+

Should be a good middle reliever.  His first taste of the big leagues looks worse (6.14 ERA) than it actually was (3.47 FIP).

 

13.  Cole Nelson, LHP, Grade C+

Good stuff, high upside, need data

 

14.  Alex Burgos, LHP, Grade C+

Good stuff, high upside, need data

 

15.  Ryan Strieby, 1B/LF, Grade C+

Will his wrist ever be healthy?  Can he cut down the strikeouts?

 

16.  Lester Oliveros, RHP, Grade C+

Good raw stuff, lots of strikeouts.  Health issues and control/command issues are concerns

 

17.  Zach Simons, RHP, Grade C+

Will he ever get his well-deserved shot?

 

18.  Brandon Douglas, 2B, Grade C+

Had a really good year--high BA, some walks and gap power.

 

19.  Wade Gaynor, 3B, Grade C

Handled single-A, but probably not as well as we might have hoped for a 22-year old, 3rd round pick.

 

20.  Alfredo Figaro, RHP, Grade C

He might still have a shot in Detroit's rotation, but with the strong SP in the system, it's looking less and less likely.  If he makes it, it will probably be in the bullpen with occasional spot starts.

 

21.  Rob Brantly, C, Grade C

Did okay at single-A West Michigan.  Relatively high-upside catcher who hits for a good average with good plate discipline.

 

22.  Rawley Bishop, 1B, Grade C

He's done well, but he's probably too old for his competition, and 1B is not a good place to be if you are a Tigers prospect.

 

23.  Danny Worth, SS, Grade C

All glove, no bat.  Could be the next Adam Everett, but more likely just a backup infielder.

 

24.  Bryan Holaday, C, Grade C

I've heard his leadership skills touted, which is a good thing if you're ceiling is an MLB backup catcher.

 

25.  Andy Dirks, OF, Grade C

Could be a decent fourth outfielder, but probably nothing more.

 

Others: Audy "SS of the Future" Ciriaco, Brent Dlugach, Casey Fien, L. J. Gagnier, Cale "Future All-Star" Iorg, Jamie Johnson, Corey Jones, Ramon Lebron, Luis Marte, Melvin Mercedes, John Murrian, Billy Nowlin, Gustavo "SS of the Future" Nuñez, P. J. Polk, Gabriel Purroy, Bruce Rondon, Austin Wood

 

The strengths and weaknesses of Detroit's system should be abundantly clear.  Pitching is the obvious strength, but the Tigers' system is a position player pauper (pardon the terrible alliteration).  With Verlander, Scherzer, and Porcello locked up for at least another four years--and with some good starters coming up through the minors (Turner, Oliver, Crosby, Villarreal, Wilk, and Furbush)--the Tigers have the makings of one hell of a starting rotation in a few years.  The positional depth is pretty bleak, though.  With the exceptions of Castellanos, Fields, and Martinez, there are very few high upside players in the minor league ranks.  There is also very little depth in the high minors in case the injury bug strikes (which, with Carlos Guillen still on the Tigers' roster, will surely happen).

So, who did I miss?  Who have I overrated?  Who have I underrated?  Was I too generous in handing out the B-/C+ grades?


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i think this is generally the way i'd rank 'em too

but all of them basically need to be a 1/3 a letter grade lower … Oliver to B …Turner to A- …. Villareal to B- … ect.

I could maybe see Castellanos at “B”

I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!

Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?

I hate Hunter Wendelstedt, you hate Hunter Wendelstedt we all hate hunter w

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 1, 2010 2:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I should say you probably got Wilk, and Furbush right on

and Furbush should probably be a few spots higher in the system as a whole.

Good read though and solid job.

I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!

Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?

I hate Hunter Wendelstedt, you hate Hunter Wendelstedt we all hate hunter w

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 1, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had a hard time knowing what to do with the Villarreal-Wilk-Furbush trio

They all had good years at roughly the same levels. I gave Villarreal and Wilk an edge over Furbush due to their age, but as far as I’m concerned, they could have gone anywhere in the 6-10 range.

by Dberg on Nov 1, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly, everyone needs to go down a notch

the order is alright except i wouldn’t put Schlereth up so high. I could possibly maybe see Turner as an A but you would have to really really believe in his upside

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by purple_haze on Nov 1, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same.

Though I am still unsure exactly what to do with Crosby. Right now I’d lean towards slotting him below Castellanos. Could move Fields up above some of those arms, too.

by alskor on Nov 1, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crosby

Yeah, he’s a pretty hard grade. I still don’t understand how a bone bruise shelves a guy for an entire season. B- seems right to me, but I could see the argument for that being too high and too low.

I’d move Fields up as well.

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 1, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Slide Crosby down a spot or two, slide Fields up a couple spots, knock the grades on Turner/Oliver down a notch

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by Satchel Price on Nov 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: generous grading

You’re probably right. I’ll be curious to see how John grades them. I am a Tigers fan who follows the system pretty closely, so I’m sure the grades reflect this.

There are a few, though, that I would definitely keep where they are. I think all of the B- grades are fair, though I could see one or two of the B’s being dropped down (probably Villarreal and Schlereth), and one or two of the C+’s being dropped down (Douglas and Simons).

I do believe in Turner’s upside, but he was a tough one to grade. Obviously no lower than an A-, but I gave him the A due to better-than-expected control/command at only 19.

by Dberg on Nov 1, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Oliver's a B+

but I know I like him a lot more than you do, SHS.

by slamcactus on Nov 1, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

A for Turner

is VERY high. I wouldn’t go higher than a B+ for him right now.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Nov 1, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

No higher than a B+?

After having an excellent year in Single-A and Advanced-A at age 19? He walked fewer than 2 batters per 9 innings, while striking out more than 8 per 9 innings. All while facing competition several years older than him. If that doesn’t merit at least an A-, then I don’t know what does.

by Dberg on Nov 1, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're on the Sickels grading scale...

A’s are generally reserved for the top 8-12 prospects in baseball.*

*Note: I didn’t look at any of John’s past lists when I gave those numbers. Feel free to adjust accordingly, so long as you take the point that they’re reserved for the best of the best in milb.

by slamcactus on Nov 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lean towards B+, but an A- is reasonable

I don’t know how you give him an A yet, given that he’s pretty far from the majors and he’s not that special.

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by Satchel Price on Nov 3, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about Chance Ruffin??

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by mathisrocks5 on Nov 1, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Good catch!

I completely forgot about him. Slot him in at #13 with a C+.

by Dberg on Nov 2, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Danry Vasquez

I’d think with the overall quality of this system and his potential and tools that he’d almost have to be ranked in the top 25.

by peaceandlove on Nov 3, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

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