Top 150 prospect list

by Savoy on Oct 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT

I know it is a fairly slow time in the prospect world as many of us are waiting on the "well-respected" to lay out their top lists by teams & positions.

While we wait, I thought it would be worth some discussion to post this list of top 150 prospects I found here:

http://www.dobberbaseball.com/index.php/component/content/article/26-rankings/2144-top-150-prospects

There are many places where players have exceeded prospect status (Storen, B Wallace, J Bell) & many places I disagree. Too high--Mejia, Carrasco, Scheppers, & Moreland to name a few. Too low--Teheran, Trout, Matt Moore, & Hosmer to name a few.

I think they definitely consider floor higher than other places. A couple years ago, they had Nelson Cruz as a top 10 prospect & I ridiculed them for that but he seems to be doing just fine.

IMO, not a great list, but I am sure we can generate a decent amount of discussion here about where you would place some of these guys. Thoughts?

The top 150:

OCT	Player	TEAM	POS	RTG	SEPT	Δ
1	Jeremy Hellickson	TB	P	112.8	1	0
2	Aroldis Chapman	CIN	P	112.2	2	0
3	Desmond Jennings	TB	OF	110.6	4	1
4	Freddie Freeman	ATL	1B	109.2	28	24
5	Dominic Brown	PHI	OF	108.8	14	9
6	Dustin Ackley	SEA	2B	108.6	7	1
7	Michael Pineda	SEA	P	108.4	9	2
8	Bryce Harper	WAS	C	107.7	15	7
9	Mike Moustakas	KC	3B	107.6	12	3
10	Mike Minor	ATL	P	107.5	3	-7
11	Chris Carter	OAK	1B	107.4	11	0
12	Brett Wallace	TOR	1B/3B	107.3	8	-4
13	Dee Gordon	LAD	SS	107.1	20	7
14	Jenrry Mejia	NYM	P	107.1	17	3
15	Jesus Montero	NYY	C	107.0	13	-2
16	JP Arencibia	TOR	C	106.8	10	-6
17	Carlos Carrasco	CLE	P	106.6	62	45
18	Tanner Scheppers	TEX	P	106.5	18	0
19	Mitch Moreland	TEX	1B/OF	106.5	19	0
20	Drew Storen	WAS	P	106.2	22	2
21	Yonder Alonso	CIN	1B	106.1	24	3
22	Michael Taylor	OAK	OF	105.9	25	3
23	Aaron Hicks	MIN	OF	105.8	26	3
24	Tyler Flowers	CWS	C	105.7	27	3
25	Lonnie Chisenhall	CLE	3B	105.5	44	19
26	Julio Teheran	ATL	P	105.4	51	25
27	Chris Heisey	CIN	OF	105.3	30	3
28	Kyle Drabek	TOR	P	105.2	31	3
29	Craig Kimbrel	ATL	P	105.1	52	23
30	Ben Revere	MIN	OF	105.1	47	17
31	Jarrod Parker	ARI	P	105.0	45	14
32	Kila Ka'aihue	KC	1B	105.0	53	21
33	Ryan Kalish	BOS	OF	104.9	35	2
34	Lars Anderson	BOS	1B	104.9	66	32
35	Mike Montgomery	KC	P	104.7	36	1
36	Martin Perez	TEX	P	104.7	37	1
37	Brett Lawrie	MIL	2B	104.6	61	24
38	Wilson Ramos	WAS	C	104.5	39	1
39	Allen Craig	STL	3B/OF	104.4	34	-5
40	Dayan Viciedo	CWS	3B	104.4	40	0
41	Jay Jackson	CHC	P	104.2	41	0
42	Juan Francisco	CIN	3B	104.0	64	22
43	Jesus Guzman	SF	3B	104.0	43	0
44	Mike Trout	LAA	OF	104.0	49	5
45	Andrew Cashner	CHC	P	103.9	21	-24
46	Shelby Miller	STL	P	103.8	54	8
47	Jordan Lyles	HOU	P	103.7	NR	-
48	Peter Bourjos	LAA	OF	103.6	46	-2
49	Trayvon Robinson	LAD	OF	103.4	48	-1
50	Danny Valencia	MIN	3B	103.3	50	0
51	Ryan Tucker	FLA	P	102.9	55	4
52	Hector Rondon	CLE	P	102.9	85	33
53	Samuel Gervacio	HOU	P	102.8	56	3
54	Josh Reddick	BOS	OF	102.7	58	4
55	Zack Cozart	CIN	SS	102.7	59	4
56	Dan Runzler	SF	P	102.7	57	1
57	Brandon Allen	ARI	1B	102.7	60	3
58	Jacob Turner	DET	P	102.7	94	36
59	Kyle Gibson	MIN	P	102.4	121	62
60	Nick Hagadone	CLE	P	102.4	63	3
61	Brad Lincoln	PIT	P	100.2	65	4
62	Tyler Matzek	COL	P	102.3	90	28
63	Josh Bell	BAL	3B	102.1	67	4
64	Eric Hosmer	KC	1B	102.0	68	4
65	Josh Vitters	CHC	3B	101.9	69	4
66	Christian Friedrich	COL	P	101.9	70	4
67	Brandon Belt	SF	1B	101.8	NR	-
68	Arodys Vizcaino	ATL	P	101.8	72	4
69	Scott Mathieson	PHI	P	101.8	71	2
70	Esmil Rogers	COL	P	101.7	73	3
71	Casey Kelly	BOS	P	101.7	81	10
72	Hank Conger	LAA	C	101.7	74	2
73	Greg Halman	SEA	OF	101.6	75	2
74	Matt Dominguez	FLA	3B	101.5	76	2
75	Jordan Schafer	ATL	OF	101.3	77	2
76	Matt Maloney	CIN	P	101.3	78	2
77	Fernando Martinez	NYM	OF	101.1	79	2
78	Jordan Danks	CWS	OF	101.0	80	2
79	Michael Bowden	BOS	P	100.9	82	3
80	Lance Lynn	STL	P	100.9	83	3
81	Brandon Snyder	BAL	1B	100.9	84	3
82	Thomas Neal	SF	OF	100.9	86	4
83	Todd Frazier	CIN	OF	100.8	88	5
84	Chris Marrero	WAS	1B	100.8	87	3
85	Wilmer Flores	NYM	SS	100.7	89	4
86	Casey Weathers	COL	P	100.2	91	5
87	Antonio Bastardo	PHI	P	100.1	92	5
88	Derek Norris	WAS	C	100.1	93	5
89	Jemile Weeks	OAK	2B	100.0	95	6
90	Matt Moore	TB	P	100.0	96	6
91	Matt Tuiasosopo	SEA	3B	99.9	97	6
92	Zach McAllister	NYY	P	99.8	98	6
93	Chris Withrow	LAD	P	99.6	99	6
94	Josh Lindblom	LAD	P	99.6	100	6
95	Zach Britton	BAL	P	99.6	101	6
96	Aaron Crow	KC	P	99.5	102	6
97	Manny Machado	BAL	SS	99.5	NR	-
98	Zach Stewart	TOR	P	99.4	103	5
99	Grant Green	OAK	SS	99.2	104	5
100	Scott Elbert	LAD	P	99.2	105	5
101	Tony Sanchez	PIT	C	98.9	106	5
102	Johermyn Chavez	SEA	OF	98.8	107	5
103	Chia-Jen Lo	HOU	P	98.7	108	5
104	Adam Moore	SEA	C	98.7	109	5
105	Daryl Jones	STL	OF	98.6	110	5
106	Brett Jackson	CHC	OF	98.4	NR	-
107	John Gaub	CHC	P	98.4	111	4
108	Donavan Tate	SD	OF	98.4	112	4
109	Chris Carpenter	CHC	P	98.3	113	4
110	Tim Beckham	TB	SS	98.3	114	4
111	Andy Oliver	DET	P	98.2	115	4
112	John Mayberry	PHI	OF	98.0	116	4
113	Hector Gomez	COL	SS	97.9	117	4
114	Aaron Miller	LAD	P	97.8	118	4
115	Phillippe Aumont	PHI	P	97.8	119	4
116	Gorkys Hernandez	PIT	OF	97.8	120	4
117	Brandon Erbe	BAL	P	97.6	122	5
118	Rudy Owens	PIT	P	97.5	123	5
119	Carlos Triunfel	SEA	SS	97.5	124	5
120	Scott Cousins	FLA	OF	97.4	125	5
121	Eduardo Sanchez	STL	P	97.3	126	5
122	Danny Duffy	KC	P	97.3	127	5
123	Wilin Rosario	COL	C	97.3	128	5
124	John Lamb	KC	P	97.3	129	5
125	Travis D'Arnaud	TOR	C	97.2	130	5
126	Brent Morel	CWS	3B	97.2	131	5
127	Rob Delaney	MIN	P	97.2	132	5
128	Jose Iglesias	BOS	SS	97.1	134	6
129	Miguel Sano	MIN	SS	97.1	133	4
130	Jeremy Jeffress	MIL	P	97.0	135	5
131	Wes Hodges	CLE	3B	97.0	136	5
132	Trevor Reckling	LAA	P	96.9	137	5
133	Wilkin Ramirez	DET	OF	96.9	138	5
134	Wilkins De La Rosa	NYY	P	96.8	139	5
135	Alex Liddi	SEA	3B	96.6	140	5
136	Aaron Poreda	SD	P	96.5	141	5
137	Jaff Decker	SD	OF	96.4	142	5
138	Zach Wheeler	SF	P	96.4	143	5
139	Anthony Rizzo	BOS	1B	96.2	144	5
140	Ryan Strieby	DET	1B	96.2	145	5
141	Ethan Martin	LAD	P	95.9	146	5
142	Jio Mier	HOU	SS	95.9	147	5
143	Jordan Walden	LAA	P	95.6	148	5
144	Adrian Cardenas	OAK	2B	95.5	149	5
145	Bobby Borchering	ARI	3B	95.5	150	5
146	Donald Veal	PIT	P	95.4	NR	-
147	Cody Sattirwhite	DET	P	95.4	NR	-
148	Jonathan Gaston	HOU	OF	95.3	NR	-
149	Zach Putnam	CLE	P	95.3	NR	-
150	Casey Crosby	DET	P	95.1	NR	-

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weird

I would say this list was from last year or something, but then I see Martin Perez low and Tanner Scheppers high, and I’m confused on a number of levels…

not sure I understand their “keeper value” valuation system as a rationale, either…Chris Heisey and Mitch Moreland do not have top 30 keeper value in any universe…

by PrincetonCubs on Oct 22, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions

Lol jesus montero 15th.

by Lolmoarpl0x on Oct 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions

And no Romine, Betances, Gary Sanchez or Banuelos.

VERY lol.

by Lolmoarpl0x on Oct 22, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Wut team is ur fave?

by PissedMick on Oct 22, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Must be . . .

a METS or RED SOX fan as he seemed VERY excited that those guys were not listed!!! ;)

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Oct 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't mind that as much as

Z-Mac being our second best prospect and WDR, who was nearly DFAd many times this year being our third.

by sjkqw on Oct 24, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Any list with Matt Tuiassosopo as a Top 100 prospect should not be taken seriously.

by lmeyer40 on Oct 22, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions

This list looks like a year old

which explains a lot really.

by Lolmoarpl0x on Oct 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Just recently updated

Has Bryce Harper & Manny Machado on list.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Oct 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I know

But it still seems old. Zach McAllister is listed as a Yankee but was traded during the deadline. The lack of research is apparent.

Top 10 is alright but after that is just bad.

by Lolmoarpl0x on Oct 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

but then Moose at 8 which he wouldnt have been last year...

hosmer at 64….kila at 32….this is worse than any list ive seen posted here

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Oct 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

You can't just add the new guys

You have to adjust/remove the old ones too.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Oct 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Sounds about right

Your idea sounds about right that they inserted some new names into their original list but never delete or remove others. Still doesn’t explain why they don’t have Wil Myers or Johnathan Singleton or Mesoraco listed.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Oct 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

but yet no Tallion,

that makes a lot of sense.

by hilltoppeer on Oct 25, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions

They put Greg Halman 73

they are clearly not up to date on prospects

by Flamefox111 on Oct 23, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions

although Halman clearly moved up as a prospect not down this past year

but I agree that 73 is still a major stretch

by Dalman on Oct 23, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions

The funny thing is that I don't hate the top 10

I dont AGREE with it, but I could see somebody making a perfectly sound argument for that top 10. And it would generate some interesting discussion. But certainly there are places where it seems they didn’t do their homework. Maybe they shouldn’t have made a list this long.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

That was my purpose for posting this list. I don’t agree with alot of the rankings, but at least is can generate some discussion.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Oct 22, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

well, ANYTHING can do that

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Oct 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

great post

I am glad I have been set straight. Thank you so much!

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Oct 22, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

looks old

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by doublestix on Oct 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

Drew Storen and Bryce Harper on the same "prospect" list.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

ditto Kila and Valencia, probably among others that i missed skimming the list.

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by doublestix on Oct 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Wallace listed as a Blue Jays

by elpikiman on Oct 22, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions

Wallace listed in the top 150

Sorry, had to get a Brett Wallace joke in.

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by Jeff Reese on Oct 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

As an SF fan

I can tell you that Guzman and Runzler don’t belong on this list. A recent list posted at McCovey Chronicles as well as this very site didn’t even have either of these guys in the organizational top 20. And Neal should not be above Wheeler.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Oct 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions

I don't think Runzler has prospect/rookie eligibility anymore

Since he was on the ML roster all year

Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey

by Gobroks on Oct 22, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

not that it matters much for this

but most reputable prospect rankers ignore the service time component and use the IP/AB to determine prospect status.

by larry on Oct 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Ah

Then Runzler would’ve made my Giants list. He has zero business on a top 150 list though

Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey

by Gobroks on Oct 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

dang

That’s really bad seeing how he should be a top 10-15 guy.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Oct 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions

neither is mesoraco, singleton..

by PrincetonCubs on Oct 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Matt Moore at 90?

by Dbullsfan on Oct 22, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions

ok, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks they didn't really update this

by PrincetonCubs on Oct 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions

where is Kelly?

and why is Reddick and Bowden on this list and not Rizzo?

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by bestbostonsports on Oct 22, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions

this was certainly worthy of a fanpost.

by larry on Oct 22, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions

This is a horrible list

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by mathisrocks5 on Oct 22, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

Understatement really.

I’m not sure we can call this a prospect list. Maybe a random assortment of minor league players in a very random order.

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by Drizzzy on Oct 22, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Seriously...

worst list I have ever seen! Whoever did this obviously doesn’t follow prospects too much. The fact that Jameson Taillon is not on here, Lamb isn’t a top 100 guy, and
Teheran is behind Carrasco honestly made me wonder why this person bothered with the list at all.

ETHAN MARTIN!!!!

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

Trout and Hosmer are Top 10 sepcts not 44 and 64

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by mathisrocks5 on Oct 22, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions

no problem with bryce harper?

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Oct 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions

not as long as trout is above him

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by mathisrocks5 on Oct 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

i do

he shouldn’t be top 10 until he plays a season. i fully expect him to BE top 10, but annointing him as the second coming is silly until he proves something.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Oct 24, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions

Andrew Cashner isn't even a rookie any more

by Outshined_One on Oct 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions

I'm not sure if Jesus Guzman would crack a Giants top 50 list

Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey

by Gobroks on Oct 22, 2010 3:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

Lets just say that this list is proof that just because its on the internet, doesn't make it any more worthy than pulling names out of a hat.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions

+1

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Oct 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Does this list re-enforce the relative meaninglessness of prospect lists?

by Dorn on Oct 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

Correct...

But who knows, in 10 years this list could prove to be spot on. I doubt that but any predicition is hard to refute.

by Havok1517 on Oct 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

yes, yes it does

The thing is, I could have ten of the people that I feel most confident in on this board each post a list of of the top ten things they think is wrong with this list, and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if on average each of them got at least 6 or 7 things wrong.

by mrkupe on Oct 22, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions

agreed

by Dorn on Oct 22, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions

just picking out the Cardinals...

And here the Cardinals thought they only had one elite guy in Shelby Miller, guess what Cardinals fans, also got a better prospect in Allen Craig baby!!! We are thinking positive thoughts with DJ Tools like it’s after 2008 again! Zach Cox, pretty much consensus top 10 2010 draft prospect who got 2M can’t crack this list though.

by bigboy1234 on Oct 22, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions

Braves guys

Freeman at four and Teheran at 26……

R.I.P Jazz #6

by was385 on Oct 22, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah

Now if that was the other way around I could accept that more than Teheran at 26!

by Jay212033 on Oct 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

where's Delgado?

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Oct 24, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions

This list has to be old

Wilkin Ramirez is on this list and still with DET.

by Jay212033 on Oct 22, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions

From a Phillie fans perspective

John Mayberry (112)
Cosart, Colvin, Singleton (all unranked)

That is all

by philiafan14364 on Oct 22, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions

The heck?

From a Pirate’s perspective, Brad Lincoln’s hardly even a prospect anymore. Sanchez should be higher, Taillon has to be on there, and Donald Veal is like, 26, and hasn’t played all year.

Also…Mike Trout at 44? For real?

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by wg1of5 on Oct 22, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions