Atlanta Braves Top 20 Prospects for 2011
Atlanta Braves Top 20 Prospects for 2011
All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don't get too concerned about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get past the Top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize.
Feel free to critique the list, but use logic and reason rather than polemics to do to. The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2011 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!
QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:
Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.
Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.
A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.
Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.
Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.
1) Julio Teheran, RHP, Grade A: Second only to Hellickson and Chapman in my view.
2) Freddie Freeman, 1B, Grade A-: Great Triple-A performance at age 20 is rare. You can make a case for a pure Grade A.
3) Mike Minor, LHP, Grade A-: Borderline B+. I think he can be a number two starter. Right on the edge between those two grades for me.
4) Randall Delgado, RHP, Grade B+: Can also be a number two guy if all goes well.
5) Arodys Vizcaino, RHP, Grade B: Would also be a B+ if not for health concerns, but that's enough for me to hold him back a notch.
6) Craig Kimbrel, RHP, Grade B: You can make a B+ case if you don't mind giving that high a grade to relievers. Future closer.
7) Matt Lipka, SS, Grade B: Lots of projection in this grade, but I like the athleticism.
8) Carlos Perez, LHP, Grade B: Great power sinker, but small sample size and some command issues mean I won't go higher than this without more data.
9) Brandon Beachy, RHP, Grade B-: Finished product, can be a number four starter or a very good reliever.
10) J.J. Hoover, RHP, Grade B-: I've been a big Hoover supporter since he was in junior college. I think he can be a durable inning-eater.
11) Andrelton Simmons, SS, Grade B-: Excellent defense and I think the bat has a chance to improve.
12) Michael Dunn, LHP, Grade B-: Borderline C+. Should be a valuable reliever, needs to lower the walks.
13) Todd Cunningham, OF, Grade B-: Borderline C+: 2011 will tell us a lot; can his power increase?
14) Edward Salcedo, SS, Grade B-: Borderline C+. Extremely difficult to grade and rank. Grade A tools, Grade D skills, could be a superstar but also has a high chance to be a bust given his hacktastic approach. You could put him as high as number nine depending on what you emphasize as an analyst.
15) Christian Bethancourt, C, Grade C+: Like Salcedo, there is high bust potential here, especially offensively, but he's very young and has all the tools, especially on defense.
16) Scott Diamond, LHP, Grade C+: Could be a very nice number four starter.
17) Steven Kent, LHP, Grade C+: Aggressive ranking, but Australian lefty could break out huge in 2011.
18) Mychal Jones, SS, Grade C+: Not likely to hit for average, but does other things well.
19) Benino Pruneda, RHP, Grade C+: Relief sleeper, good stuff, great K/IP rate, only small size keeps him from being noticed.
20) Joe Leonard, 3B, Grade C+: I can't say I'm hugely impressed yet; defense is rough, needs better strike zone judgment.
21) Brett Oberholtzer, LHP, Grade C+: Love the K/BB ratios.
22) Adam Milligan, OF, Grade C+: Love the power potential, but strikes out a lot and health problems have slowed his development.
23) Paul Clemens, RHP, Grade C+: Numbers don't stand out on the surface, but I think he could be a sleeper.
24) Dave Filak, RHP, Grade C+: Interesting small college guy, need to see at higher levels.
OTHERS OF NOTE: Juan Abreu, RHP; Willie Cabrera, OF; Erik Cordier, RHP; Dimaster Delgado, LHP; Brett DeVall, LHP; Cody Gearrin, RHP; Phil Gosselin, 2B; Cody Harrilchak, OF; Cody Johnson, OF; Willie Kempf, RHP; Chris Masters; LHP; Tyler Pastornicky, INF; Cory Rasmus, RHP; Elmer Reyes, 2B; David Rohm, OF-1B; Zeke Spruill, RHP.
Here you have the classic Atlanta Braves pitching depth, granted there will be some injury attrition. Other than Freeman, I'm not that impressed with the available hitting. Lipka, Simmons, and Jones should help cover middle infield needs in the coming years, but the shortage of useable power remains an issue and much rides on bats like Salcedo, Milligan, and Leonard living up to their potential despite big issues with their approach.
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I love ranking Minor this high
I think he’ll be a very good number 2 pitcher for a long time. He’s a 4 pitch guy with good command.
Straight A on Teheran. Wow. Those aren’t given out very often.
I thought Minor was a three pitch guy – 4-seam, change and curve. Thats all he threw in the majors this year and I haven’t heard anything about him picking up a slider or split or anything.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
He's had a slider
but I thought we had him scrap it in favor of his curve. Maybe not though…
According to Fangraphs
He was 65.6% FB, 12.3% CB and 22.1% CH in 2010. It looks like they have scrapped the slider at least for the time being.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
The only thing that worries...
me about Teharen is how his body adapts when he puts on added weight because I don’t think he’s strong enough to endure a full season of starting in the majors. He has time but I would not be surprised to see him as a shut-down reliever in 10 years.
One thing I heard during the playoffs I believe was how impressed the Rangers were with Elvis Andrus when he arrived in Texas, speaking volumes about how well the Atlanta organization had done in preparing and teaching him.
That’s when you combine great scouting with great teaching that you get a consistently great system.
Cunningham
I don’t think Cunningham deserves a C+….I argued that it was a mistake for the Braves to use a second round pick on a probable corner outfielder without any real power. Nothing that he did in Rome made me change my mind.
As a Braves’ fan I hope he proves me wrong with a breakout in 2011…
by Stephen in the UAE on Oct 21, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
Rating
Probably a C…His claim to fame is the Cape Cod performance in 2009; however his stock dropped in the Spring and the Braves still liked him. His numbers at Rome were hardly inspiring….I would both Elmer Reyes and Pastornicky ahead of him….
by Stephen in the UAE on Oct 21, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I'd drop all the '10 draftees a 1/2 letter grade
and kick in Salcedo as well. This goes for all ‘10 draftees, not just the Braves. At best, they’ve got 1/2 season of pro stats so they’re mostly scouting reports.
Andrelton Simmons
.276/.340/.356/.695 with a 18/4 SB/CS and a 16/14 BB/K rate really impressed me for a glove guy who ‘should be’ a pitcher. When you combine plus speed with a 5.2K% along with the potential for plus-plus defense at shortstop you have the potential for a special prospect and MLB player. Of course its all numbers from 269 PA in a rookie league and he slugged only .356 but he has the potential to be a speed/OBP/defense protype shortstop.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
John, did the Braves make the right call in making Simmons an infielder? Or should they move him back to the mound?
sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew
by alexwithclass on Oct 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm very bullish on Simmons @ SS
That contact rate is pretty nice for a 1st year player. If he can give ++ D @ SS with a .350 OBP and some speed, that’s a very good prospect indeed.
Love seeing these offensive numbers from him
I took him for the Brewers in John’s annual Mock Draft. I love the D and athleticism, but then again, I’m old school when it comes to my SS’s. Could care less as long as they can play up the middle and be an average offensive player, you have yourself an all star.
Also like his long frame.
If he could add some power without giving up too much speed, then we could really have something special.
The top tier on this system is nuts
One Grade A prospect, two Grade A- prospects, one Grade B+ prospect, four grade B prospects, and six Grade B- prospects.
As others have said, the scouting/development combination in Atlanta is awfully damn impressive.
Baseball is my preferred sport. It should be yours, too.
I'm an editor for Beyond the Box Score, an SB Nation blog.
the scouting/development combination in Atlanta is awfully damn impressive.
Which is why I have a good feeling about Salcedo developing into something valuable. The scouting portion saw fit to give a record bonus and now that the development portion has him they can work their magic and turn his A+ tools into usable skills.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
I mean, even the best developmental staffs can fail with a good prospect
But it’s definitely safe to say that one can be more optimistic about Salcedo’s future than similar prospects in other organizations.
Baseball is my preferred sport. It should be yours, too.
I'm an editor for Beyond the Box Score, an SB Nation blog.
by Satchel Price on Oct 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Even the Braves have...
…with Cody Johnson. That could be Johnson and not the Braves, however.
Salcedo
Wren reported that Salcedo has been playing very, very well down in instructs. I’m looking for a big 2011 from the kid.
yeah
as a Braves fan, I’ve heard VERY good things about Salcedo in instructs.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Oct 22, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you know much more about Perez? I have to admit I know very little about his stuff and background though I hear good things.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
One report
He throws in the low 90’s and I don’t think he’ll add much velocity. He has a nice curve and a change but they are far from polished. Control is his main issue and he needs time but he could have #2 starter upside.
Most everything I’ve seen has been essentially the same scouting report, with mixed feelings about whether or not he’ll be a #1 or #2
If everybody likes you, then either no one knows anything about you, or you're dead.
Matt Eddy's write up had his stuff as:
Low-90s fastball, touching 94 with a lot of projection, “hammer curve” and a, currently, fringe changeup.
Jim Callis ranked him 12th out of the 15 #1 league prospects, ahead of Billy Hamilton, Carlos Perez (the catching variety) and Guillermo Pimentel.
I’m pretty sure Goldstein has had a few one liners praising him as well.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Is Perez ahead of where Robinson Lopez was at a similar point last year?
sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew
by alexwithclass on Oct 22, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
all i’ve read has Perez very far ahead of Lopez in terms of projectability and tools than Lopez was last year.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Oct 22, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd probably put Salcedo and Bethancourt above guys like Dunn, Cunningham, and Hoover
but other than that, I think it’s a pretty fair list. that top 5 is pretty damn sexy.
That's an upside vs floor argument though
It’s more likely that Salcedo and Bethancourt never sniff MLB than even Cunningham who had an impressive Cape Cod showing last year.
I do agree though that the upside of both Salcedo and Bethancourt are very impressive though.
Erik Cordier?
No longer a prospect, I take it.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Oct 21, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Robinson Lopez
Would he have made this list had the Braves held onto him?
Without a question
He’s a B/B- prospect more along the lines of a B- though since he tailed off towards the end.
Here's the thing...
I recently finished up a chat about Cubs’ prospects on another site (which included toonsterwu and a number of other people whose opinions on Cubs prospects I respect). None of us could figure out what made Lopez good enough to merit as much hype as he has received here and elsewhere. We agreed that he has very good upside, is young, and has a legitimate plus fastball. However, he struggled with control problems in Low A, his secondary offerings were average at best, and he still has plenty of work to do if he wants to stick as a starter.
I get the excitement about the guy, but a B/B-? I just don’t see it.
by Outshined_One on Oct 22, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
well
as it’s been said, with his Tools and the ability of the Braves to teach skills, people were projecting Lopez to be pretty darn good in 3-5 years.
Now, if the Cubs can teach this kid, you may have yourself a solid #2 in 2016.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Oct 22, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Given the upside, I'd opt for B-
He has plenty of time to develop what’s lacking in his game, and given the fastball, the upside warrants that kind of grade.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
I think he's a borderline C+
He’s got a ton of work to do if he’s ever going to be a starter. In his time with the Braves his peripherals as a starter weren’t impressive at all.
Isn't that misleading though?
Did he not start the year piggybacking other starters (getting 3-4 innings/game) where he was much more successful? I don’t think those outings should be discounted just because he was technically a reliever. I would definitely take him over Simmons, Dunn, Cunningham and Salcedo.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
Obviously I can no longer check it on minorleaguesplits
But my recollection is his average relief stint was much shorter than 3-4 innings. Maybe something around 2 innings, but even then he doesn’t have to face guys twice and he can go close to all out on the fastball. He had 16 starts, 8 relief appearances, and 92.2 innings, so that would seemingly back that up. Even if his average start was only 4.5 innings, his average relief appearance would only be 2.5 innings.
This is true. You can’t trust his Relief/Start stints, because of the pigguback system the Braves used at the beginning of the season to get pitchers stretched out. By the time he was starting exclusively he was already getting tired for the season. (Teenager pitching in full season ball probably isn’t going to stay strong all season.) Dude has tons of upside but he is still a bit raw as everyone says. I’d Say B- maybe a B for me.
John, I don't understand how...
…Salcedo can be rated below Lipka. Salcedo’s upside is so much grader and his chance of being a bust is just the same as Lipka in my opinion.
ummm
Lipka’s upside is pretty darn high, actually.
When he fills out and devotes full time to baseball (remember, he got a LSU scholarship to play WR), his power could develop to 20-30 HR a year.
As for Salcedo, he’s got great promise, but his performance has been ugh so far. Thus, his ranking below Lipka.
Lipka’s stats at GCL Braves:
.302/.357/.758 with 20 SBs in 48 games. His SO to BB ratio was 22:14. Seeing that he was 18 playing in the league and has NEVER focused solely on baseball, there’s something to like A LOT about those stats.
Salcedo, on the other hand, in 54 games at Rome (a higher league, sure, but still) and batted:
.197/.239/.534 with 2 HR, 16 RB and a SO to BB ratio of 56:11.
While I think that Salcedo will eventually become the better player (based solely on his tools and my gut), right now Lipka is, undoubtedly, the better one.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Oct 22, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
not really
They’re pretty different players with very different backgrounds.
And in any case, lots of people like this guy, dude. I’m just speaking here as a person on the board (hopefully you’ll all give me these few moments to vent): PLEASE stop acting like you’re the leader of the Matt Lipka bandwagon. There were plenty of people who were high on him before the draft. There are even more now that he’s gotten to play a bit. The odds of him doing anything like what Trout did this year are microscopic, even if Lipka ends up being as good as a lot of us think he can be. Making crazy-ass claims to try to position yourself as a prophet of sorts is just silly. You don’t get credit for being the one who talks the loudest, the longest.
Okay, now I can move on.
by mrkupe on Oct 23, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think you are wrong about the scholarship.
Lipka was a football player in high school; the main wide receiver for Zach Lee, the pitching prospect who had a scholarship to LSU to play quarterback and only was lured away from that when the Dodgers ponied up some serious cash.
Lipka, however, never intended to play football in college. He had a baseball scholarship at Alabama, but always indicated that he intended to sign and play professional baseball.
salcedo
I have seen so many of these “all tools no skills” guys bust, that I am suspicious of players with glowing scouting reports but lousy stats. Sometimes they get better. Many times they don’t.
Salcedo was too young and inexperienced for the Sally League and I think the Braves were acting like the Mets there, he should have been sent to Danville. Because he is so young it is way too soon to conclude he won’t make it. But i’m not going to give a guy a really great grade with stats that bad. I regard B- as accurate based on what we currently know about him.
by John Sickels on Oct 22, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair comment John...
…I agree and don’t understand why the Braves were so agressive with placing Salcedo at Rome immediately. I guess that’s how impressive they consider his talent is. I am expecting a big season from Salcedo next season, hope he will spend the entire season in Rome like they did with Heyward on his first full professional season.
Bethancourt
Im confused as to why he would be a C+ and Salcedo would be a B-, bethancourt is a stud defender at C and has offensive potential to be an all-star. He is almost a whole year younger than Salcedo and put up just about the same numbers for a whole year at the same level as Salcedo
Pastornicky
Does he rate as a C+ or a C because I thought with be able to hold his head above water as a 20 year old in AA he would at least be a B- prospect with the chance to be an everyday SS or 2B with his speed
I think his ceiling is that of a utility player
I just don’t buy the bat. C seems like the correct grade.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
I'd go C+
Not a ton of upside offensively, but I think he’s at least a major league utility player, and players like this can surprise. The really intriguing thing to me is that neither his plate discipline fell off dramatically at the higher level, and he continued to make lots of contact. This is a skill set that can lend itself to more growth than you’d initially think, but even if it doesn’t, he’s going to enjoy years of MLB service time.

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