Prospect Review: Michael Pineda
Prospect Review: Michael Pineda
Michael Pineda of the Seattle Mariners system was a breakthrough prospect in 2010. A reader asked me why he wasn't on my pre-season 2010 Top 50 Pitching Prospects list. This was due to the fact that he missed most of '09 with a sore elbow. Here's his comment from last year's book, and a look at how I see him right now:
Michael Pineda, RHP, Seattle Mariners
Bats: R Throws: R HT: 6-5 WT: 180 DOB: January 18, 1989
2009: Grade B.
I took some flack last year for giving Michael Pineda a straight Grade B. He's tall and lanky, but lacks plus velocity, throwing an 88-93 MPH sinking fastball. He has a very good changeup, but his breaking ball is inconsistent, and so far he's relied mainly on locating his pitches to spots to succeed. As a result, scouts are suspicious of him. A sore elbow limited him to just 47.1 innings last year, adding another item to doubt. On the other hand, those 47.1 innings were very successful: he survived High Desert and the California League with aplomb. Actually, he didn't just survive High Desert: he thrived there, posting an amazing 1.86 ERA with a 37/4 K/BB and only 17 hits in 29 innings in his home park. It helps a lot that he keeps the ball down, posting a 1.69 GO/AO on the season, and hitters had a hard time lofting the ball on him even in the thin air. I still think Pineda is a significantly underrated prospect. I'm reducing his grade slightly to a Grade B- because I am concerned that the elbow problem may recur, but my general opinion about him hasn't changed. He's a much better prospect than he's given credit for, in my opinion anyway.
As you can see, the comment about him was actually quite positive, but the elbow issue worried me. Absent that, I would have had him at least a Grade B and maybe a B+, considering how well he'd pitched at High Desert, which is like pitching on the moon.
Pineda began 2010 at Double-A West Tennessee, going 8-1, 2.22 with a 78/17 K/BB in 77 innings and 67 hits allowed. Promoted to Triple-A, his ERA spiked up to 4.76, but that was highly misleading: his K/BB was 76/17 in 62 innings and he gave up just 54 hits. The main difference was a large increase in his home run rate, nine compared to just one in Double-A, but even that didn't really account for the ERA burst. His FIP was solid at 3.60. Basically, don't worry about his ERA at Tacoma; I think it was a fluke.
Pineda's velocity has picked up; he was at 89-93 for most of 2009, but was up to the mid-to-upper 90s this year with no loss of command. His slider continues to improve; his changeup draws mixed reviews. Command and control are strengths for him. There has been talk of making him a reliever, but I think I'd stick with him as a starter until he proves he can't handle it.
He will be 22 entering 2011. Ideally I'd like to see him get another half-season of Triple-A, but that may not be necessary, and it will be interesting to see how aggressive the Mariners are with him in spring training. Grade-wise, he'll get at least a B+ in the 2011 book, and an A- is possible.
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No one in the M's organization is talking about moving him to the bullpen
They love the fact that he can carry 96 mph for six innings, and thus they don’t see him as a reliever.
This is my argument for you giving him an A-
up to the mid-to-upper 90s this year with no loss of command
How often can you say that about a 21 year old?
One pitch
But a definite SP, much less frontliner, needs more than his fastball. I’m still not seeing his slider as a plus pitch; looking like it’s coming around as solid, but not a real putaway pitch. Change remain questionable. I do believe he’s likely to settle in at least as a 3 or 4, but I still can’t give him an elite grade until he develops a second reliable out pitch; otherwise, maybe his fastball is so good that, with more command polish, he doesn’t need anything more to get through major league lineups multiple times, but will have to see it first.
To clarify, I meant command of all his pitches, not just fastball. If he can’t get his slider/change to play up in action, he at least needs to gain the command to put them wherever he needs whenever he needs if he’s going become a frontliner on the strength of his fastball. Right now, he only is consistent with commanding his fastball.
Nobody's mentioning his obvious platoon splits either.
His lack of changeup / curve isn’t helping him against left handed hitters. It has been pointed out several times amongst Mariners prospectors and it shouldn’t be ignored.
If he does find a way to consistently get southpaws out as well as he gets out right handers, he’s amongst the elite starters in the game. Right now, he’s on the cusp, which still makes him a great prospect.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 13, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I am in no way biased...
but I think its clear that Pineda is some sort of combination of Pedro Martinez, Nolan Ryan, Sandy Koufax, Abraham Lincoln (for freeing the people of Seattle from dispair), Martin Luther King (for creating all batters equally bad), a double rainbow, the 2nd amendment (the right to bear amazing arms), and some sort of combination of both evolution and creation mixed together as one.
by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 13, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Not 6'5 180.
He’s a lot bigger. Dude’s a beast.
Looking forward to it
I’m really looking forward to seeing him up with the M’s. Why wouldn’t I?
There is no way he’s only 180 pounds.
Jeff Wise
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by Baseball Hitting Tips on Oct 14, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions
For some reason I just don't buy the hype...
Probably because I haven’t properly seen him pitch, but the things I hear about his offspeed stuff doesn’t inspire confidence.
Let me try and inspire the doubters who haven't seen a recent Michael Pineda scouting report.
From Jason Churchill:
His final fastball of the 2009 season was thrown at 91 miles per hour, though he did touch 94 late in the year. His first fastball this season was 94, and his last was also 94. There were dozens of 95-97s in the middle, and even a few 98s.
His slider went from useful in May to occasionally an out pitch in July and early August.
His changeup is still a work-in-progress, but he’s also added a cutter and the new grip on his change has helped with his command of the pitch.
The most telling improvement, aside from his conditioning, thanks to a new training program — P90X — has come when runners get on base. Pineda no longer shows disgust, disappointment or any emotion whatsoever when he gives up a hit, walk, run, or his defense makes an error behind him. He just goes back to work. And boy does that sound familiar.
And finally, I think this is really telling because its from an NL Scout and what in the world would he have to gain?
“He’s going to be something, I think,” said one NL scout. “His control is already big-league (quality) and his command within the zone was better late than early. He holds his stuff through 90-95 pitches, too. If he can take the next step there and get to 110 and beyond, he’s going to be a star.”
by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 14, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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