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Carlos Gonzalez, How many MVPs?


Man did this trade work out for me (I thank the many posters that helped me to pull the trigger,,, while many others thought it was a terrible trade, even taunting me... such is the world of opinions):

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/2/3/1290916/which-deal-carlos-gonzalez-or

I do believe he has a couple MVPs in his future as he develops into a RF, perenially finishing in the Top 3
(probably #2 to Votto this year)...

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Not a Rookie: Carlos Gonzalez

Feb 2010 by John Sickels - 19 comments

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Gonna be tough for the haters to not discount the stats based on the home and away splits.

The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?

by souldrummer on Oct 1, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, zero.

He won’t run a .384 BABIP every year, and with his walk-rate he’s likely to settle in as a very good but not MVP-level player.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a great player

but this always bugs me when there seems to be 10 players in the league at any time that people say have multiple mvp’s in their future, there are only 10 mvp’s a decade! and when a player like Pujols(an all-time great) gobbles up 5 in a decade that leaves 5 mvps for other top 10 players to fight for in a decade in the a.l or n.l. A top 5 player for a decade could easily not win any in a great career.

by THESWAMI6 on Oct 1, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

If he doesn't win it this year, he should probably not get his hopes up.

He won’t be hitting for a .386 BABIP every year.

Of the last 20 NL MVP’s, only 3 were outfielders. Bonds, Sosa, Larry Walker. So CarGo better learn how to slug over .700 or start “hitting the gym”

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 1, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I sort of agree with this only if his team won the division, they may be more likely to vote for him. Not that Votto doesn’t deserve it but I think that will be a big advantage over Gonzalez and Pujols. If he could duplicate the season he just had but help his team win his division, I think the voters would be more inclined to give him a shot.

That is horrible reasoning but that is the way it goes with baseball awards unfortunately.

by jfish26101 on Oct 2, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

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i think he is a very good player however

by miraclemets on Oct 1, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

If John's Crystal Ball is accurate

Assuming all things stay as is (ie. no injuries), I’d say once Pujols and Votto peak, he’s gonna have to deal with Jason Heyward.

by BryceHarper on Oct 1, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Ryan Zimmerman, MVP stealth candidate for 2013

Man should finally have some talent around him and he will be in a contract year if things hold to form.

The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?

by souldrummer on Oct 1, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zimmerman would be candidate year-in, year-out at this point if his team didn't suck

That combination of offense and defense makes him one of my favorite players in the game.

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by Satchel Price on Oct 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a candidate to those who know baseball well.

Unfortunately those kinds of people aren’t the ones voting.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 1, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesnt walk enough to be an MVP

I love him. He could win it. Im just not going to bet on him hitting .340 again with his K/BB ratio.

by bravitos5122 on Oct 1, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

it did improve as the year went on

1H 325 AB…… 16 BB 76 K
2H 258 AB…… 24 BB 58 K

by rdf8585 on Oct 1, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

OBP, not BBs

So long as he keeps his OBP up (whether by high BA or adding walks), it doesn’t matter in the near term how he does it. Developing plate discipline serves a player better as they age, when they can no longer sustain a .330-.340 BA (or when BABIP drops precipitously). Ichiro is a great example of this, his OBP would be well above .400 each year if he drew 70-80 BB per year. When he gets 220-230 hits in a year, it doesn’t matter – when he ‘merely’ gets 200, it does.

by dbreer23 on Oct 3, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly

I would rather have a guy with a 70/100 BB/K ratio than a 20/100 guy, even if they both end up with the same OBP. The 70/100 guy is going to make pitchers work a lot harder and wear them down for the rest of the team compared to the 20/100 guy. For instance, even in a tremendous season this year, CarGo saw roughly 3.5 pitches per plate appearance. Joey Votto saw 3.9 and Albert Pujols saw 4.0. Splitting hairs, right? Over the course of 4 plate appearances, that breaks down to 14 pitches for CarGo per game, 15.6 for Votto and 16 for Pujols. Not a significant difference still. However, take that over a simple week of 6 games, and you start to see separation with 84 pitches for CarGo, 93.6 for Votto, and 96 for Pujols. Over the course of 150 games, the difference is huge: 2100 pitches for CarGo, 2340 for Votto, 2400 for Pujols. Those are typically the most intense pitches of a game for a pitcher as they usually key up for the big guy in the lineup, so 250-300 extra high-stress pitches per season will lead to a lot quicker breakdown in stuff by the opposing pitcher and more mistakes made with the best guy in the lineup at the plate. That is a huge issue, even if the OBP numbers have miniscule differences among them.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 4, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

zero

zero

PPPPPPUNTO 4 MVP 2010

by punto4mvp on Oct 2, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

One if lucky.

World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.

by Drizzzy on Oct 2, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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